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Neri (36,771) by Anonymous from Neri, this is a messageboard dedicated to Mariah. It's where fans and lambs can come to share their thoughts, comments, ideas, and the like. I respect this board and this website. I also respect the MCA family. They do not need to be subjected to your attacks on my intelligence and education, and neither do I. If you feel you need to continue this, please e-mail me at mariah4ever.lamb4life@gmx.com. If not, then let's get back to Mariah. Thank you. Enjoy the day fellow lambs. (Saturday 17 November 2012; 8:53)

Jay (36,770) by Stacey from USA I have all the Joy To The World remixes on mp3. Give me your email address and I'll send them to you. The Celebration Mix edit is one of my favs of all time. (Saturday 17 November 2012; 7:58)

Mariah/Tommy/lambily (36,768) by RadChad from United States Okay, so who doesn't need a great team behind them to be successful? Whitney - Clive Davis, Celine - Rene Angelil, Janet - Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, Beyonce - her Daddy... you get the point. So saying Tommy helped Mariah become who she is goes without saying. However, implying that she would be nothing without him, is where I disagree. We all know (or should all know) that Mariah's vocal and musical genius is all her, and everything is everything what is meant to be will be. In other words, Mariah was destined for stardom and if Tommy didn't give her the big push, it's my belief that someone else would've. Not discrediting Tommy for his investment in Mariah, but I will say he probably needed her more than she needed him in the long run. I would've actually loved to have seen the direction Mariah would've taken had she not be stifled in the beginning. Maybe she would've won more Grammies and been more acclaimed as a songwriter. I believe not having that balance in the beginning is what probably caused Mariah to go overboard with certain things i.e. dressing sexy, collaborating with every rapper that exist on the planet, partying (drinking more). Otherwise I believe she would've been just fine and continued to develop/progress artistically without the iron thumb on her. On the flip side, had she stayed with Tommy, I'm not sure if she would've been able to have the impact she's had in music to date. If Tommy would've kept her captivate, she would probably only be regarded as a great singer from the 90s that got lost in the mix. If she was held back as an artist, people may be saying "Remember Mariah Carey? Whatever happened to her?" Just a thought. (Saturday 17 November 2012; 7:07)

Tommy did help, but Mariah owns her success (36,767) by Nick from Canada Tommy was able to harness Mariah's talent to make her a superstar. The key words in that sentence is "Mariah's talent". Without Mariah's voice and songwriting prowess, this discussion is moot. Who knows if Mariah would have seen the same kind of success under a different label or mentor? What we do know was that big-voiced divas were hot commodities when Mariah was emerging, so it is plausible to assume that she would have made a name for herself regardless of Tommy. While Tommy did pigeonhole Mariah as a conservative balladeer in her early days, it was Mariah who wrote and co-produced her material, so you can't give the big boss all the credit for her success. He may have told her what road to take, but Mariah drove the car. If we think of the things that makes Mariah great as an artist, and the things she'll be remembered for, it's #1 her voice and #2 her ability to write hit melodies. I'm sorry, but that's all Mariah. (Saturday 17 November 2012; 6:03)

#1's Album (36,766) by Leito from USA I was just surprised to see Mariah's #1's album is currently #51 on iTunes. How did that come about? Could it be the AI commercials helping the sales of a 14 year old album? I find it interesting. (Saturday 17 November 2012; 4:42)

Stephen/Nikki (36,765) by RibbonB from USA Well said. (Saturday 17 November 2012; 2:54)

Carla (36,764) by RibbonB from USA That is morbid, not cool for a fan site. IMO. (Saturday 17 November 2012; 2:52)

Mariah owing Sony (36,763) by Scott from USA How exactly does Mariah owe Sony anything? I'm sure Mariah is thankful for Sony helping support and launch her career, but I don't think that means she owes them.They got what they wanted out of her. It was no secret that they thought of Mariah as a franchise and a way of making money for them. She certainly helped them with that. When she began to develop as an artist and branched out into RnB, Sony were worried about it. Sony hoped that after Butterfly she had the whole RnB thing out of her system. Then she started working on Rainbow and continuing down her creative path and further developing her artistry. I think they hoped she'd go back to being the Mariah they had created, the one that would may have assured some more years of huge sales such as with the Music Box and Daydream albums. Mariah's albums as she developed her creative path began to sell less albums, but so what? As she said herself even when making the Emotions albums she didn't care if it sold less than her debut. To her I'm sure it wasn't all about sales but being able to express herself the way she wanted to musically. Her struggle came with not being able to release the music she wanted to and not being able to be her own person, something Sony were holding her back from as they were more interested in keeping the franchise bringing in the big bucks. Now tell me who owes who? Does Mariah owe Sony or does Sony owes Mariah for forgetting that she too is a person and not just a cash machine? (Saturday 17 November 2012; 2:29)

"Joy to the world" remixes (36,762) by Jay from USA Does anyone know where I can get the David Morales remix to "Joy to the world"? I have the lp record, but I can't transfer them to mp3. Thanks. (Saturday 17 November 2012; 1:17)

Mariah/Tommy (36,761) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom What is this? 1998? I think it's time to let go. (Saturday 17 November 2012; 0:24)

Scary tought (36,760) by Carol from Spain A scary tought came to my mind a few days ago. The day I wake up and I read the news saying "Mariah Carey died". Sorry for the morbid tought, but has anyone tought of that? I can't imagine a world without her. Of course, I know the day will come, but I don't want to. Is that so bad? (Friday 16 November 2012; 23:50)

Bob/Nikki (36,759) by Neri from USA Oh save it for someone without a brain. You need to read your posts before you send them in. Maybe you weren't paying attention in your classes during primary school, when this was taught, but there are words that indicate that you're stating an opinion. Here are some to name just a few: may, ought, sometimes, I think, usually, probably, seems, it is believed, etc. I see no words in your post that indicate such. Everything you said was stated as if you yourself know what happened behind their doors for a fact. So like I said you were out line. As for the Greg Brady thing, sorry but some of us had to experience the greatness that was being a 90's kid. Nikki I agree with both you posts, nicely stated. (Friday 16 November 2012; 22:53)

If anything (36,758) by Geezy from USA by way of NYC If anything in my honest opinion I feel Mariah and Tommy benefitted from one another in terms of their professional relationship. As she got the big break she always craved, also she found a form of stability and love. As for Tommy, he was still practically new in his CEO position at Sony, most of the acts on the label at the time where much older artists and Tommy had pressure on him to find an act or acts that he could guide and bring to superstar status and then walks MC with the help of BKS and the rest is history. (Friday 16 November 2012; 19:19)

Re: Bob (36,757) by nikki from usa That's a little creepy. Is this a father-daughter relationship or husband/wife? Being married to your boss is quite the dynamic, but you can't be in a marriage ordering around your wife. Dictating to someone isn't "maturity". Listening to each other and compromising is. Statistically speaking, older men are known for caging their younger brides. Not all, but it is a common problem. Especially where paranoia of fidelity is concerned. They know their wives are young and attractive. Mariah's been on interviews and mags stating that she needed to be home at a specific time every night. That Tommy had what he called "bodyguards" that had to follow Mariah around wherever she went. Even a few producers from the mid 90's said Mottola would call them to make sure Mariah was there and would tell them how much time they'd have left because he expected her home soon. Being controlled at work and at home is what Mariah referred to as "suffocating", "controlling", and she had no time to be herself. Luckily for Thalia, Tommy couldn't be this controlling if he wanted to, he's no longer the boss. No one's on his payroll. (Friday 16 November 2012; 18:00)

Mottola's over hyped, it's a two way street (36,756) by nikki from usa Mottola signed Celine Dion and Shakira. Clive Davis signed Whitne, yet I don't hear anyone thanking the signers for the girls' success. That strange phenomenon seems to be reserved for Mariah. After Mottola backstabbed a friend to get his position, he found out what trouble CBS records was in. They had legends on their roster who hadn't made music in years and all the acts currently out weren't that successful. With Madonna and Whitney, the new success trend was solo female singers and they had none. Mariah is what Mottola was looking for. CBS became Columbia and their survival depended on how well Mariah succeeded. That's the reason Mottola was so controlling. Many artists, including Brenda, were kicked off the label to focus on Mariah. Columbia even went on record stating they didn't see MC as an artist, but a pop franchise. "Sing, sing" indeed, her success saved jobs and she became the new prototype. Columbia is well known for being rigid, they lost both Katy Perry and Alicia Keys for it. Both Celine and Shakira had sold millions and had fanbases on 2 continents before Mottola "signed them". Mottola can take credit for opening up exposure for their talent to be heard, but the only artist that can thank Mottola for making them a star is J.Lo. He modeled her after Mariah. He thinks he's responsible for MC's success as well, which is why he went to such lengths to destroy her career and give it to J.Lo. That's why he got fired. (Friday 16 November 2012; 17:32)

Crazy lamb attacked (yawn) (36,755) by Anonymous from Neri, It sounds like you didn't like my opinions (which were based upon my personal observance of the news and events of the Tommy era in Mariah's life, mixed with my own life experiences). I'm sorry about that. And did I read this correctly? You want me to follow your rules of how I write my posts ("don't make it seem as though...")? Ok, I'll try and clear everything with you before I shoot it over to Eric. I also had to chuckle after reading the part "we don't know a thing about what goes on behind anyone's door when it closes". True. So how could you tell me that I'm "out of line" for my opinions when you don't know what went on behind their door either? Truth is you can't because you don't know and neither do I - so lay off. Thank you. Will, you got me smiling too. Accused of a crime I didn't commit , saying I said Mariah used Tommy to climb the ladder. I said he held it while she climbed it. Big difference. Please re-read. I have a feeling most of you have no idea what my "Adios Johnny Bravo" comment meant because if you did, you'd know that was not an insinuation of Mariah using Tommy. It was the Emancipation of Mimi (just as it was for Greg Brady when he tore up the recording contract on "The Brady Bunch" all those years ago, Google it). Anyone have anything else for me? Good. I'm outta here. Enjoy the day fellow lambs. (Friday 16 November 2012; 6:56)

Mariah and Tommy (36,754) by Stacey from USA I have a hard time believing MC would have enjoyed the same success at another label. I don't doubt her talent. I've celebrated her as a fan for over 20 years. However, none of us know what her path would have looked like had she signed with Warner or any other label. Would she have 18 #1 hits? Who knows. None of us can say for sure she would have done as well or better at another label. I'm not going to speculate on the unknown. As far as their relationship, I believe they were in love. Look no further than the sugary Music Box album. In time, though, the relationship deteriorated quickly. Looking In is a cry for help if I've ever heard (and a sort of anthem for myself too). The song Butterfly was what MC hoped Tommy would have said to her. He didn't and the rest is history. I can't say anything more. (Friday 16 November 2012; 5:02)

Berry Gordy built careers (36,753) by RibbonB from USA Now there's a man who built a record label, changed music in so many ways and built the foundations of countless careers from Michael Jackson to Diana Ross and the Supremes, the Temptations etc. And Gordy wrote music himself, which many don't know or seem to forget. Love him or hate him, and many of his artists did both, he has built a legacy in the music industry and culture in general. Mariah wrote her songs and sang them like no other. She started on a good established label and yes the co. exec had a vested interest, but he did what any good business man would have done, he signed a fantastic star, Mariah did the rest. (Friday 16 November 2012; 4:23)

Music Box K2HD (36,752) by ian Lim from Malaysia Hi there, may I know if this item is a real or fake item? This CD is said manufactured in Hong Kong, but also mentioned it made in Japan. I try to search the said Japanese engineer discography and no Music Box on his list, not even on Sony Japan official website. Please advise, thank you. (Friday 16 November 2012; 3:50)

Dem babies bathe in bottled water (36,751) by RibbonB from USA Lol. These tabloid stories are so hilariously ridiculous. But dem babies do have beautiful skin. Lol. (Friday 16 November 2012; 3:34)

Sony owes Mariah (36,750) by RibbonB from USA Period. (Friday 16 November 2012; 3:30)

Mariah, Tommy and career (36,749) by Carol from Spain Regarding this whole Tommy/Mariah thing: Yes Mariah does not owe her career to Sony, what she owes Sony is the initial chance for a career. If Mariah wasn't in Sony first, she would be with Warner and the story would be the same, because Mariah had (and has) the talent to make it everywhere. No, we can't discard Tommy's influence on her initial years. Now, just because Tommy is responsible for her initial success, that doesn't mean Mariah would have to bow down to him everytime and accept all the bad things he threw at her. I do believe her marriage to Tommy was awful and she had to endure alot of pressure. Her age, at the time, had nothing to do with it, because a 23 years old is old enough to make a conscious marriage. Mariah's career in the last few years has been very calm, but honestly? Her music is better then many out there and she is always a pleasant artist to watch, because we never know what she's up to. (Friday 16 November 2012; 1:18)

Mariah, Tommy, and Butterfly (song) (36,748) by Stacey from USA Folks, listen to Butterfly. Mariah wrote that song to tell the story of what she hoped Tommy would have said to her. IMO, it's the most personally revealing song she's ever written, ever. After listening to that song, you guys honestly can't tell me she didn't at some point have deep feelings for the man and wished at that time it would have worked out. Butterfly is all about her trying to save the relationship. Listen to Now That I Know from MB. That is all about Tommy. However, things happened and she felt it best to leave the relationship. But for a time, she was in love. I look back to my past relationships and know they didn't work out for a reason. I'm with my husband and have two beautiful children. MC is happy with Nick and that's all that matters. Tommy is a part of her past. He helped make her a star. It's ok to talk about that. If that topic bothers some of you, ignore it and post about something else. (Friday 16 November 2012; 1:13)

On Tommy Mottola (36,747) by CDC from CA Tommy Mottola didn't make Mariah a superstar. The world did. Tommy is absolutely entitled to credit for being an integral factor in Mariah's success. Had she signed with Warner, however, it is likely we would not have the songs we are enjoying today. When she moved to the city, she was just as talented, ambitious and hungry as the rest of them. (She often recalled sharing an apartment with a group of other aspiring entertainers.) She knew she wanted to be number one regardless of the people operating the machine or the facilities she was using. If she walked into Warner studios with the same attitude she did at Columbia, then this website would still be what it is. PS. I was cruising Amazon and discovered that Tommy is releasing his autobiography early next year. The abstract clearly states that Mariah, naturally, will be heavily featured in the book. (Friday 16 November 2012; 0:57)

Bob (36,746) by Will from England Before I say anything, take another listen to the final few lines of "Petals" before you say that she just used him to climb the ladder. She did have some feelings for the man, as I said, regardless of what happened behind the scenes. We will never know what really happened, unless Mariah decides to write a book, but we can speculate it was bad enough from Mariah's point-of-view to still talk about it years later. I still stand by my original post saying that Mariah does owe Tommy and Sony for her career. (Friday 16 November 2012; 0:29)

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