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Re: GOATS and Lambs (100,628) (100,635) by Bill from the UK The OG/day one/GOAT fans have been with Mariah since the beginning of her career. I very much doubt any of us long to see her back in the shackles of Tommy, in fact, many of us celebrated her liberation and cite the Butterfly album as her magnum opus. We've watched her grow and were there buying her physical records, clearing out schedules to watch her live on TV, importing CDs from other countries to hear bonus tracks and remixes, calling radio stations to play her songs, phoning MTV to request her videos. Being a fan back then took dedication and money, so to write us off is really insulting. We were there through the amazingly giddy heights of her career peaks, and during the Glitter era through to her glorious emancipation. We care about her. We know what she is capable of (BET awards, ICON speech), and are concerned for her wellbeing when she is clearly not looking after herself (SHOF). We are not enablers like some here. We love her more than you'll ever know. She is more than a meme to us. (Friday 1 July 2022; 11:40)

Re: GOAT (100,626) (100,634) by Stacey from USA Cool story. I had a huge MC collection. A couple of my items made it on webmaster's discography. But life got in the way and I sold my collection in 2007. But it was fun for awhile. I met some cool fellow collectors along the way. The one item I didn't part with was a signed copy of Daydream. Hello it's Daydream, my favorite MC album. Carey on. (Friday 1 July 2022; 11:35)

Re: GOAT (100,631) (100,633) by Stacey from USA It doesn't phase me if GOAT is a negative term or a positive one. I've been having fun with the whole topic the last few days. My philosophy in life is focusing on what's real right in front of me, not worrying about what a faceless person on the Internet thinks of me. But you are right, Mariah is a talent no one on earth can match. That we can agree on, a fact that has made me a fan for close to 30 years. Carey on. (Friday 1 July 2022; 11:29)

Re: GOAT (100,629) (100,632) by Stacey from USA You're welcome. I aim to please. I was quoting the webmaster who runs this place, just in case you were wondering. But, I digress. I'm glad you joined me in having some fun. I've been laughing this whole time. (Friday 1 July 2022; 11:21)

Re: GOAT (100,626) (100,631) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Hahahaha I forgot when Goat was used as a derogatory name for Mariah Lambs who were actually haters before the acronym G.O.A.T (greatest of all time) became mainstream slang in the 2000's. Lets all be real though, the true GOAT is Mariah. (Friday 1 July 2022; 06:00)

Re: Betcha Gon Know feat. Kiddyfiddler (100,627) (100,630) by Matty from Vancouver Canada I wish Mariah removed that remix before or around the same time that Celine Dion removed "I'm your Angle", which was a huge Christmas hit. R. Kelly's predatory behaviour has been a public joke, wink and nod since he married Aaliyah when she was 15. I count myself amount the ashamed who bought his music and laughed along with all the jokes and pop culture references to his behaviour. I'm the words of Macklemore's thrift shop: "Smells like R.Kelly's sheets, Pis*." (Friday 1 July 2022; 05:51)

Re: GOAT (100,623) (100,629) by Lady B from USA Stacey, thank you for the tremendous laugh. You have no idea how funny your quote is. Have a nice weekend. (Friday 1 July 2022; 05:44)

GOATS and Lambs (100,628) by Mirage_Nunez from America Okay I'm not sure if it was my last message that sparked this great divide or not, but let me just say "first of all we love everybody" and in my last message when I referred to some of you as the "day ones" and "OG fans" it wasn't intended to have negative connotation or be shady. I'm actually a day one fan, I remember when VOL first came out. Basically I was saying I understand how everyone feels on both sides of the table: the ones that the miss old Mariah (with the big hair, bangs, and flawless voice) that they fell deeply in love with to point that "even though they try they can't let go" and the lambs who have this unyielding unconditional love and reverence for MC for better or worse. We can all agree on one thing, we love MC. I do think this board has essentially become a place/a haven where the self proclaimed GOATS can come and vent all their nuances; while the ones who identify more as lambs has the rest of Social Media to have a more light positive fan experience. That's the way I've grown to see it anyway. We're all here to stay, lambs and GOATS exist beyond this one platform/medium of all things Mariah. (Thursday 30 June 2022; 23:04)

Re: Betcha Gon Know feat. Kiddyfiddler (100,625) (100,627) by Myles from CT, USA Haha. I am hoping it is gone for good. Never was a fan of the R. Kelly version. The original is epic enough. (Thursday 30 June 2022; 22:42)

Re: GOAT (100,618) (100,626) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway I got a picture sms back in the day from a guy called Per Sundes, a music journalist here in Norway, who I know. The picture was from when he interviewed Mariah during TEOM era, and the text on that picture sms was: "Happy Easter Holliday from Mariah." (Thursday 30 June 2022; 18:31)

Betcha Gon Know feat. Kiddyfiddler (100,625) by Todd from Sydney, Australia Taking bets. How long before the remix with old wet sheets is taken off the streamers? (Thursday 30 June 2022; 15:09)

Re: BET performance (100,620) (100,624) by Bill from the UK Is comparing a speech with a speech willfully obtuse? (Thursday 30 June 2022; 08:14)

Re: GOAT (100,621) (100,623) by Stacey from USA Quoting Eric, "I hope you all know that GOAT means 'Greatest Of All Time'. So when you call the older fans goats, then you're right. We are Mariah's greatest fans. We are here from the beginning and we are not going away." GOAT was initially a criticism thrown at some of us and we turned it into a positive. I've said this many times to folks who try to spar with me. I guess I need to say it again: I was here before you and I'll still be here long after you're gone. Carey on. (Thursday 30 June 2022; 04:52)

Re: BET performance (100,620) (100,622) by Stacey from USA First, I wasn't responding to you. Second, yes I did compare a speech to a performance. But you conveniently left out the fact I also included the Billboard Icon Award she received a year earlier, which if I'm not mistaken MC gave a speech as well. Who cares if I criticize Mariah? Who cares if I praise her? Who cares what I say? Sheesh, lol. It's just an opinion. Carey on. (Thursday 30 June 2022; 04:38)

Re: GOAT (100,618) (100,621) by Lady B from USA You do realize who came up with the term goat in this context, right? Hint: she's an amazing singer/songwriter. So when you criticize the term, you're criticizing her, which is very on brand for how negative folks are here a lot of the time. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 23:47)

Re: BET performance (100,619) (100,620) by Lady B from USA You are entitled to your opinion, and I am allowed to criticize that opinion. Comparing a performance to a speech is willfully obtuse, in my opinion. Obviously you disagree, which is fine. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 23:45)

Re: BET performance (100,609) (100,619) by Stacey from USA No. I have a right to express my opinion just like you do. Carey on. S. GOAT (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 20:56)

Re: GOAT (100,616) (100,618) by Stacey from USA I started online chat with the old MC pink boards during the Charmbracelet era. That's when I started collecting Mariah's CDs and discovered this website. I'm hitting 45 in the Fall. I'm definitely a GOAT. Look, there are all kinds of fans here, all with different backgrounds, etc. The thing to remember is we all love Mariah's music. Just chill out if someone writes an opinion you disagree with. Your life will be much happier, I promise. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 20:54)

Re: GOAT (100,616) (100,617) by Bobby A from United States This year on the board has been really interesting. I am glad that I am a Lamb. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 18:20)

Re: GOAT (100,611) (100,616) by Edward from USA Sir GOAT Eric, you know that's right. Many of this board have come and gone, but the GOAT always remain. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 16:57)

Re: BET performance (100,606) (100,615) by Edward from USA You can be a little bitchy. Were you born that way or did you pick it up later in life? (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 16:53)

Re: GOAT (100,611) (100,614) by Randy from USA Yeah I'm definitely a GOAT. I thought she did a really good job at BET even though I still can't tell if she was singing live or not. I watched it 5 times but whatever, I'll take any win at this point. I still don't like the abrasive texture of her full voice now, but she's definitely using her voice in its current state more than the studio tricks she did for years. It was wonderful that Latto gave her her flowers. And not one of my friends who love other divas had anything negative to say. Except why does a man have to help her move 5 steps. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 14:40)

Re: GOAT (100,611) (100,613) by TJ from Norway Proud to be a goat. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 13:13)

Re: GOAT (100,611) (100,612) by Bill from the UK Indeed. Us OG/GOAT fans know where it's at. I remembered this incredible speech Mariah gave at the BBMA Icon Awards. If she had done something like this for SHOF it would have been a beautiful and timeless moment. But, it is what it is. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 11:36)

GOAT (100,611) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands I hope you all know that GOAT means "Greatest Of All Time". So when you call the older fans goats, then you're right. We are Mariah's greatest fans. We are here from the beginning and we are not going away. (Wednesday 29 June 2022; 09:51)

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