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Save The Day (95,246) by Bobby A from United States I feel strongly we all will forget about STD when hear the other 14 tracks on The Rarities and I Don't Wanna Cry, Without You, Underneath The Stars and Open Arms on disc 2. MC vocals were so good at the Tokyo concert. I wonder what her promotion schedule will be like that week. She will have a busy week in the media. I hope MC includes a little narrative about each song like she did with the #1 To Infinity album. I am curious know what she has to say about each track especially Loverboy. (Friday 28 August 2020; 03:53)

Re: MC30 tomorrow (95,238) (95,245) by Victoria from USA You wish 2 Pac. (Friday 28 August 2020; 02:34)

Re: Mariah's writing style, vocabulary and personal (95,232) (95,244) by LEOlamb from USA You totally missed the point. (Ir)Regardless of Mariah's choices (ie drinking, image change, friends etc), some fans seem stuck on the early 90's. If that is not who Mariah is/wants to be what is the point of just trashing her? I'll forever be a fan/lamb, I'm not just a fan of her music, I'm also a fan of her. I don't need her to have another #1 record, #1 album or sold out shows. (Friday 28 August 2020; 01:56)

Re: Dear Delulons (95,236) (95,243) by ADAM from USA Wow Andrew. What you articulated was so profound and carefully listed out. I respect it. It's what I've been feeling for so many years about Mariah. Her best music was during the Sony years and when she was under the careful guidance of Tommy's thumb. It's evident to anyone who follows her career as closely as we do, that her personal vices are what lead to her vocal decline. As much as we want her voice to return to its heyday, it's not unless Mariah is ready to confront her demons. Unfortunately, Mariah has enough fame and fortune to rest on her legacy and churn out mediocre songs with an unpleasant shrill to her once pristine voice. As much as Tommy was overbearing, it was under his watch that Mariah kept her voice in good shape and worked with amazing partners to produce a catalog of music that is loved for all-time. Tommy said in his memoir that his experience in the business led him to see a raw talent like Mariah and knew that she had x amount of years while her gift was in great shape to produce great music. Then afterwards she could retire and go into the sunset and enjoy her success. Seems like in the end that's exactly what happened. Again, thanks for composing such a detailed account of where Mariah's career has started and ended up today. I can tell it was made from the perspective of someone who loves MC and also is equally as tough on what is really going on behind the scenes and in front of our eyes. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 23:48)

The general public (95,242) by Will from Australia Not sure how Billboard evaluate this "Artist 100" but I was shocked to see Mariah is not even listed, considering all the activity she's been doing for MC30 and also the current pandemic situation restricting normal artist activity. The Beatles, Fleetwood Mac, Elton John and Britney are all there, along with whatever the kids like today I suppose. It just confirms to me that, aside from Christmas time and the lamily, the general public aren't interested in whatever she's doing. I usually send my partner crazy by overplaying her, especially when a new song drops and he's a closet fan by now. But STD he will not tolerate for some reason, thinks it's the worse he's heard in a long time and tells me to turn it off whenever I try to convert him. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 22:56)

Debut voice (95,241) by Terna from Nigeria I think Mariah debuted with an instrument that was already compromised. If you listen to the first EP she released in celebration of MC30 her voice sounds constricted especially on the belts and she's singing with an obvious effort thus the heavy sighs at the end of every performance. And on the "Vanishing" performance at the 2:40 mark you can actually hear her clear her throat before the high belt and sustain mid song. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 21:04)

MC30 updates (95,240) by Colin from UK Not sure if people are familiar with the We Miss Music website, but they are keeping a comprehensive listing of Mariah's MC30 releases. They are bang up to date including the Butterfly era 5 EP releases coming tomorrow, Friday 28th. They also mention that in addition to Mariah's debut album being released on vinyl, Rainbow will be released on a double vinyl on 6th November 2020. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 20:04)

Re: AIWFCIY CD autographed single still not received (95,222) (95,239) by Brad from USA I received my 5 signed inserts a couple of months ago. It’s only her initials she signed and she just signs the paper insert that then has to be inserted in the jewel case. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 18:56)

MC30 tomorrow (95,238) by Bill from the UK I really, really hope we go back to remix EPs tomorrow and that the Butterfly's stellar singles get their day in the sun. Hopefully we don't get "Why You Save the Day" feat. Bieber, French Montana and T.I. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 18:17)

Re: AIWFCIY CD autographed single still not received (95,233) (95,237) by The Real Deal from USA Awesome. Unfortunately, they issued me a refund yesterday because mine was never received. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 18:15)

Dear Delulons (95,236) by Andrew from the United Kingdom The Voice It is unbelievably malicious and false to claim Mariah's vocal issues had anything to do with Tommy Mottola. There is no evidence for it. In fact, it is likely he prevented her from behaviours that would have advanced the damage earlier. Mariah's voice was crapping out as early as the Music Box Tour. We even now know why Joy To The World was the only song we have erstwhile seen from the Church of St John the Divine - the rest of the vocals are a struggle. We know, albeit in hindsight, Mariah was pushing her voice too far. And then she actively did things which resulted in permanent damage. The Drink and Drugs It is not, as they say, "post hoc ergo propter hoc". Mariah's alcoholism etc may have been recognisable after her first divorce, but it in no way means it was "after it therefore because of it". She began to hang out with people she had previously been prevented from hanging out with. Her voice was the winning lottery ticket and she screwed it up to be popular with the cool kids. When artists like Celine Dion would go weeks on vocal rest, Mariah was... well, we know what Mariah was doing. The Behaviour and the Control Mariah's behaviour certainly changed after her divorce. She became childish, slutty and started to hang around more with idiots, smoking and drinking. Those were her decisions. She did that. And whilst addicts must not be blamed or shamed, neither should the truths of their addictions be denied nor blame placed on anyone else. That is hugely important. These behaviours massively detracted from her achievements and damaged her reputation. Though I accept her relationship with Tommy was not a healthy one (even by his own admission), knowing what behaviours she would later display I can't help but wonder if it was not these behaviours which Tommy and the label were trying to prevent, knowing the damage they would do to her and the career they had invested a massive amount in. The Breakdown Mariah had a breakdown because she realised that she couldn't have success on her own. The label took their support away. Indeed, it even started to move against her. Funny, you criticise and slander people, they don't sit down and take it. And Glitter was a twreible vanity project. Mariah would have been told not to do this but did it anyway. If she doesn't know she is a terrible actress she is either not listening to people, lying to herself, or both. The Music Mariah's "controlled" career produced the music that almost everyone on this board considers the best of her career (1991 to 1996). When she was "free" the music and lyrics were not as good. Mariah being steered by her label to create brilliant music was not a bad thing to me. Now she produces songs which are actually bad, some terrible: STD, WYM, Infinnidee. Lyrics have become shallow if not just plain pathetic. The Emancipation of Mimi itself was reportedly born of Medina and strong label control. I love Mariah's music and voice and have followed her entire career since I was young but I recognise truths where I see them. I am no longer the naive teenager who would create or support lies to maintain the narrative of perfection or, worse still, victimhood. Every time something negative about Mariah is presented the delulons run for the nearest person to blame instead of facing the truth. Mariah's voice continues to rapidly degrade. This isn't natural. Something is causing it and we know what it is. Her voice is in an extremely bad way and it is time to face the truth. As beyond sad as it is, it may be time to wind things down quite a bit. Mariah chose drink and drugs over her voice and she has had to live with that, and, now, face up to the consequences of those actions as the smoke and mirrors employed for so many years no longer work and people start to call it out. Her voice is no longer anywhere near as pleasant to listen to and the music she makes not very good. Yet most of us are still here out of a life long allegiance and love for her. At least some of us can accept truths whilst the delulons keep making shit up like "she sounded good on the Caution World Tour". If that is what "good" now is, the bar has fallen to the floor. P.S. I can almost hear the delulons tapping away madly, already enraged at my "hate", screaming into the air wishes that I would disappear. But I say this to you: I admit and accept truths and am still here, 27 years later. To the teenagers I say this: you will soon grow up and hopefully wisen up. To the delulons who have grown up but still live in Fantasy land: it is you people that need a rethink. Blind support is not healthy. Once you accept truth, life is actually a lot less stressful. It does not need to detract from the brilliance of most of her music, the sheer emotion of most of her vocals, the genius of most of her lyrics, the grave importance of her existence in your life. The truth, as they say, shall set you free. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 18:08)

Re: AIWFCIY CD autographed single still not received (95,233) (95,235) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I got mine in March I’m sorry you are still waiting. Mariah’s store does not do her brand any favors. I buy music from a few artists but Mariah’s merch always takes the longest by far. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 17:35)

Re: Mariah's writing style, vocabulary and personal (95,232) (95,234) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway I think this abused narative is getting a little bit over hand. How abused was Mariah, really? Yes, they told her which clothes wear and she didn't have complete control over her music. But she still wrote the lyrics, didn't she, and whatever producer she had made the songs to what they are. But compared to other abusive relationships, how bad was it for Mariah? She turned into a wealthy woman, singing to thousands of adoring fans, had the opportunity to express her self through music. The Mariah almost all of us feel nostalgic about is from the years she was with Mottola. Her prime was during this time, and we all miss it. Wasn't Mottola's influence on Mariah positive at all? When Mariah split with Mottola she released maybe her best work with Butterfly. But her voice? What happened to that? With Rainbow Mariah was ridiculed because she cheapened her look, her reputation went to the dogs. With Glitter it seamed like Mariah really just wanted to be a porn star. Voice second, boobs first. What happened to her reputation? She became the laughing stock of the world. This was all Mariah. Mariah redeemed her self with TEOM, and that is because she became decent again. I don't think the world forgot about the troubling years around 2000, and I think many people still considers Mariah to be more into being sexy than have a great singing voice. My point is, even though "rules" were strict during Mariah's marriage to Tommy, it is the years that turned out to be the baseline that everybody judge Mariah by. In my opinion, that can't be that bad. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 17:01)

Re: AIWFCIY CD autographed single still not received (95,222) (95,233) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I know Jade's came. Because the absolute Sweetheart bought me one as an unexpected present. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 16:47)

Mariah's writing style, vocabulary and personal (95,232) by LEOlamb from USA Whenever I see people talking about how Mariah has changed since early 90's. Her [lyrics], her [vocab] in her lyrics and differences in her attitude and so forth. Put some perspective here. It feels like you're saying you rather controlled Mariah, Tommy and the label defining what kinda artist she would become. How it impacts a person (you have every right to like one style of music over the other). [We're] going to find out so much about Mariah the person with her [memoir], but to me. I feel like some would rather sad, controlled, depressed Mariah so they could have another Hero, Emotions, Dreamlover and so forth. She was an abused [woman] from who she could hang with, where she could go, what she could do, what she could release etc. M has even said if she could have gotten the respect that Mary J gets in the field of R&B she would have traded all the records she's broken. Just because you're good at something specific doesn't mean you have to do it. Mariah is worth [an] est. 300-550 [million] dollars with a pretty lucrative catalog. She will make the music she wants, support it or don't. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 15:16)

Interesting (95,231) by Edward from USA According to Wikipedia, what was supposed to be disc 1, now is disc 2. Disc 1 will the one containing the rarities, and the "Save the Day" will be track 14 in it. They also removed information about writers and producers from the remaining 14 tracks, I guess so we wouldn't keep on guessing, we seem to have been on the right track. They definitely underestimated the fact long time fans would guess many of the so far unnamed tracks by that information only. They definitely read this board, lol. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 14:36)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,229) (95,230) by LEOlamb from USA I agree that Mariah's voice has "aged", but I firmly believe Mariah is held to a different standard. I also think that part of the issue is Mariah has extreme insecurity and rather just have fun with it and roll with it appears somewhat awkward and people can nit/pik the performance. She can sing the alphabet out of tune with bad pitch and I'll still buy it. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 14:30)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,227) (95,229) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa I'm wrong? We all have different opinions and perspectives so I don't know how I'm "wrong". I didn't think that's what we were doing on this board. I went to the Caution World Tour and she sounded great. I was responding to a post comparing the lifespan of great athletes careers to Mariah's. My point was that these other singers have very different careers and expectations past their prime. Diana, Stevie, Aretha, Teena Marie, Whitney, and many others voices have been inconsistent and changed through the years. No rosy colored glasses, just real talk. Your post comes off as if you were very triggered, I'm just here for conversations and healthy exchange. I don't need to belittle others here to make a point. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 03:55)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,226) (95,228) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa "They might not be at their peak or even popular, but they still have active careers. Roberta Flack is 83 and is still signed to a record label. Aretha didn't sound the same, and nobody was expecting her to, but before she started struggling with pancreatic cancer, she could still sing decently. None of the artist you mentioned have officially retired." Ok. Mariah has not retired nor does she seem to be retiring soon. I'm not sure what your point was, but all I was saying is that these artists longevity has much more to do with what they did in their peak, not what they did later in their career. Mariah is the same in my opinion. (Thursday 27 August 2020; 03:38)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,220) (95,227) by Randy from USA Nikki you are wrong on so many levels. It's not about hits. It's about preserving the God-given gift you were given. I've seen Roberta Flack two years ago at 81 and she sounded better than unassisted MC does. Stevie, Aretha and Patti all sounded wonderful past 60. No they weren't their 1970s self, but they weren't embarrassing either. The Rockefeller foolishness, the GMA Touch My Body, the NYE performance, singing at MJ's funeral are things that never would've happened to them in their 40s. I love MC and I'm only here for more Languishings, Portraits and Right To Dreams. But in my opinion she has had the worst vocal decline ever in popular music. 8 years is all it took to go from the best voice in the world to sounding like she's been smoking Newport's and swallowing glass. Of course I'm talking about live. Never Too Far, Lead The Way and Through The Rain sound fantastic. I know I'm not the only one that is in knots before she steps on stage. Because I guess I live in the real world and my Facebook friends are fans of all divas and I can't defend her. I don't have ya'll rose colored glasses. Andrew and RJ112 think I repeat myself so I'll leave you with this. I'll leave you with this. Look up Patti Labelle's 2004 performance on Divas Live when she sang Love Need Want You and You'll Never Walk Alone. She was 60. What will MC sound like in ten years... unassisted? (Thursday 27 August 2020; 00:52)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,220) (95,226) by Edward from USA "Idk when I look at Tina, Diana, Patti, Aretha, Stevie Wonder, Lionel, Gladys, Al Green, Roberta Flack, and many others I don't see very active careers into their 70s or even into the later parts of their lives. And we all know that the amazing Aretha (RIP) did not sound the same on her final album." They might not be at their peak or even popular, but they still have active careers. Roberta Flack is 83 and is still signed to a record label. Aretha didn't sound the same, and nobody was expecting her to, but before she started struggling with pancreatic cancer, she could still sing decently. None of the artist you mentioned have officially retired. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 21:12)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,218) (95,225) by Matthew from USA Edward, you aren't wrong. People expect athletes to retire young. There is also an expectation for singers to sing decently well into their 70's. I would argue that she is singing decently well, especially lately. But decently well is subjective. There are those like Mrs. Williams who would still point out that there's been vocal decline as compared to herself or other singers who have preserved their voices better. In response, I pointed out the that not all singers prioritize longevity. I also said that this was a controversial idea, as the expectation for singers are, like you said, that they sustain. I further argued that maybe our expectations should be tempered. That perhaps long distance marathon runners should be expected to have a longer career than sprinters. Mariah strikes me as someone whose need to feel and be special and worthy always overrode the desire for longevity that every singer has. For her, the path to that self-worth was in being extraordinary to the point that in 2020 kids on TikTok have running challenges on who can try to replicate her riffs and runs. So I guess I just had a commentary on expectations and why they can be adjusted. As for her pen game, I hear you. But that's a whole other conversation on the correlation between good art and struggle and youth. Wealthy Jay-Z's raps won't ever have the urgency of that up and coming street Jay-Z with something to prove. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 20:48)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,221) (95,224) by Edward from USA Exactly, when Mariah put herself into it, she can create great music even when telling someone to GTO. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 20:44)

Re: Another take on the voice (95,218) (95,223) by MusicfanJ from Germany "I understand her voice is not the same for whatever reason, but something has also happened to her pen game. Paradoxically, Mariah wrote more mature and cohesive lyrics when she was 20 than now when she's more mature." That's how I think too. Especially with her songwriting. Her lyrics are a part of the magic of Mariah Carey. A true poetic. When I compare her older lyrics with the new ones I really wonder as well. (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 20:01)

AIWFCIY CD autographed single still not received (95,222) by The Real Deal from USA Am I the only one who still hasn't received the physical signed CD single of "All I Want For Christmas Is You"? The last correspondence that I recieved from them was in April saying "Your order is on the way." (Wednesday 26 August 2020; 19:56)

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