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Re: Madonna's BBMA performance (89,504) (89,505) by Dove from United States I guess I meant someone who actually looks like a grandmother. Honestly it's not just that she looks so old. I wasn't that into her when she was younger either. (Wednesday 8 May 2019; 01:24)

Re: Madonna's BBMA performance (89,502) (89,504) by Victoria from USA In the world we live in now, a person in their twenties can be a grandmother. (Wednesday 8 May 2019; 00:41)

Re: Madonna's BBMA performance (89,502) (89,503) by TJ from Norway Most of my friends don't understand why Mariah need to wear bikinis on stage. I guess they have the same problem with Mariah, as others have with Madonna. 60 or 50? I don't see the difference. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 21:07)

Re: Madonna's BBMA performance (89,498) (89,502) by Shezz from Pk Wow Webmaster. Take it a little easy on the Mimi supporters. As for what you said. Last I checked Madonna was 60 and not Mariah. And Madonna clearly had the more sexualized performance, Mariah's was anything but. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 18:54)

State of her voice (89,501) by Jono from USA As fans we obviously all know that Mariah's voice now is nowhere near her voice in the 90s or even early 2000s. I have no doubt that Mariah herself knows this as well. Like, imagine having that kind of voice but then as the years go on slowly realizing you no longer have that kind of voice. I have a classically trained vocalist friend who is a casual Mariah fan, in that any performance she sees is via me lol. I sent her the BBMA Icon performance to get her thoughts, and she noted the amount of vocal damage that was present. When I told her Mariah was a coloratura soprano she was surprised, considering how low her speaking voice is. She then mentioned that those voice types tend to peak in their mid 20s; she specifically mentioned 23-26 range. Now we know that this means 93-96 Mariah, which is regularly seen as her vocally golden era. She says coloratura sopranos usually have short-lived careers because their voices just drastically decline, no matter how much you take care of it. I then told her about Mariah's sleeping schedule and habits and nodules, and she said they obviously don't help lol. Concerning nodules she said they're essentially the kiss of death for any vocalist; we know Mariah has a unique voice where they aided her in whistling. My friend thinks that's why her whistles are still intact compared to the rest of her range. I will say I have come to terms a long time ago that Mariah is working with what she's got. There are other artists from Mariah's era that don't even release music anymore or release so sparingly; or, are sadly no longer with us. So I appreciate whatever she has left to give, even if I'm not always a fan. She deserves her flowers. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 18:38)

Re: Madonna's BBMA performance (89,498) (89,499) by Dove from United States Madonna. Hey, I've said before the TMB video makes me uncomfortable. Just saying, just because I don't like something doesn't mean other people have to not like it too. Different strokes for different folks. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 18:33)

Re: Madonna's BBMA performance (89,497) (89,498) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands "For me what's off-putting is seeing someone old enough to be a grandmother being so sexual." Are you talking about Madonna or Mariah? (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 18:30)

Re: Madonna's BBMA performance (89,485) (89,497) by Dove from United States Madonna had the dancers, costumes, set, holograms, hottie, etc. It's obvious she invests a lot into putting on a show that will entertain us. I can appreciate that because not everyone does it. Being a performer is an art too. For me what's off-putting is seeing someone old enough to be a grandmother being so sexual. But I think that's just me because I'm kind of a prude. I used to like Madonna when I was a little girl but around the time Human Nature came out she was just too much for me. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 17:49)

Re: Madonna's BBMA performance (89,495) (89,496) by RibbonB from USA Sorry the right meme link didn't appear. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 16:40)

Re: Madonna's BBMA performance (89,493) (89,495) by RibbonB from USA Really B? (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 16:05)

Re: There've been a few memes (89,466) (89,494) by RibbonB from USA For the few who think Mimi is all right, all better all cool, just wait. Even in spite of all the gravitas she's feeling from the icon award, she herself will soon say, "Hold my splash." I see the endgame playing out already. She's never content with an easy landing. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 15:53)

Re: Madonna's BBMA performance (89,487) (89,493) by B from USA I still believe Everything is Love is underwhelming (and 4, Beyoncé, and Lemonade) but it's a joint album by two of the biggest stars in the world. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 15:43)

Re: Madonna's BBMA performance (89,487) (89,492) by B from USA This was the point of my message: A joint album by two of the biggest stars in the world has only sold 500,000 copies in the US and we're complaning about an artist selling 92,000 copies of an album released 28 years into her career. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 14:49)

MC Billboard performance (89,491) by Edouard from France I honestly thought it was good considering she clearly was not comfortable. We know she can do better as she's done it countless times during the Caution tour. But here, her performance was just good. I believe the reason is that she may have been insecure about her reception by the audience. Indeed, it's not the same when you perform in front of your fans. Plus, she did it 100% live with absolutely no backing track and attempted to sing it like the cd instead of re-arranging her vocals. When you think about it her Caution tone was not on display here. Mariah still thinks she has something to prove. That's how professional she is. I love that woman. I love how Mariah's speech seemed to echo her songs selection during her medley of hits. She started with attitude and a bit of diva-ness, recognized her "mishaps" and the parasites (echoes A No No), got nostalgic expressing how she's grown up with the charts (Emotions and ABMBB), reminded everyone that she basically is the queen of the charts because they basically belong together (WBT) and dedicated the end of her speech to the people who have made her (echoes Hero). I love that woman. I wonder if Mariah saw the little clip encompassing her career while she while still behind the curtain. I don't know if anyone has noticed but at one point there we can see Tommy Motola in the frame. I wonder if that might have destabilized her. I love that woman. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 13:32)

Amazing (89,490) by Edouard from France Check that Loverboy version. So fun and cool. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 13:28)

Re: BBMAs 2019 (89,479) (89,489) by Andrew from London UK In simple terms, the Icon Award is arguably a pointless award. It is a lifetime achievement award renamed so as to not sound like someone is an old hat. But there is obviously a set list of people who might get it: people with 20 year careers plus who still retain some kind of active recording career now and within that a hierarchy of people who are more successful and/or prominent than the others. So J.Lo fits the bill. But it is questionable whether she should come before Celine and Mariah. In the same sense it is fair to question why Madonna has not been awarded it above everyone else. It is fair to question where the likes of Britney fit into all of this. In short, the list of awardees is already set in stone so it's hardly exciting. It's just a question of in what order they hand it about. That makes it pointless. Arguably. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 12:56)

Madonna's performance was boring (89,488) by Sheila from United States Simply put. At least Mariah sang "the hits". Madonna's song is her worst single since Ghost Town. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 11:47)

Re: Madonna's BBMA performance (89,485) (89,487) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands "Caution has now sold over 92,000 copies in the US and 240,000 copies worldwide. Not too shabby when you consider Beyonce and Jay-Z's Everything is Love has sold 500,000 copies in the US and 2 million unit equivalents worldwide.' Recently, you said that Everything is Love was underwhelming. Now you say it sold 5.5 times more albums than Caution in the USA and 8 times more worldwide. But what amazes me is that you call Caution's sales not too shabby compared to Beyonce. You're really wearing pink glasses. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 09:49)

BBMA vocal analysis (89,486) by Brad from USA Hi. Hope everyone is being well to one another. I too watched this video online. I can't disagree with it. What I would offer is perhaps what some on here have witnessed too. Just four weeks prior to the BBMAs in Connecticut on the Caution tour, her vocals were live and far more consistent, perhaps relaxed and energized. I don't know fully what to make of this. I do sense that in the weeks since wrapping up the North American leg she was not resting her voice and judging by her tweets, seemed to be up late the night before the BBMAs tweeting about the birthday festivities for dem kids. I dunno. As we all know, she felt nervous that night too. Clearly, she should care for her voice and practice good vocal hygiene. It's her gift from God. Be well to yourself and others. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 03:31)

Re: Madonna's BBMA performance (89,481) (89,485) by B from USA I'm dead. I found Madonna's performance underwhelming. I can't believe she spent seven million dollars of her own money on it. Guess it proves that she does indeed spend her own money on her videos in addition to the budget the label gives her. I think Mariah's Billboard performance, flaws and all, will humanize her to the public like her coming forward with her struggle with bipolar II disorder. If she had given an amazing performance, like she does when performing for her fans, they would've claimed she lip synced. I still believe Mariah will make another comeback. Madonna is following Mariah's lead with the roll-out of her new album and her upcoming tour. Like Mariah, Madonna is releasing four teaser singles before the release of her new album and she's embarking on a theater tour. Guess Mariah's Caution is indeed the new blueprint for aging legacy acts. Caution has now sold over 92,000 copies in the US and 240,000 copies worldwide. Not too shabby when you consider Beyonce and Jay-Z's Everything is Love has sold 500,000 copies in the US and 2 million unit equivalents worldwide. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 02:48)

Article: Madonna reignites feud with Mariah Carey (89,484) by Betty from Canada Madonna was probably just jealous of all the love and attention MC received for her career, performance and speech at the BBMAs. But I am sure that Madonna will get her turn too eventually with the success and career that she has. She just needs to learn to wait for her turn graciously though. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 01:20)

Re: BBMAs 2019 (89,478) (89,483) by Dove from United States You're right, she doesn't seem like s nice person. Madonna kind of scares me. One of my first memories is of my aunt and her husband watching a Madonna concert around 1989 and my mom walking in and yelling at them for letting me watch it. I used to listen to the Immaculate Collection on my walkman because my mom didn't like her. Haha. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 00:12)

Re: BBMAs 2019 (89,479) (89,482) by Dove from United States Yeah she definitely deserved it more than JLo. (Tuesday 7 May 2019; 00:05)

Madonna's BBMA performance (89,481) by Dove from United States That was actually the first time I heard her new song and I kinda liked it. The holograms were cool and Maluma (yum). But the first thing that came to mind when I watched it was Disco Dottie. Especially the part where she's on top of the table doing the butterfly. Sorry if I offended anyone. (Monday 6 May 2019; 23:08)

Out of Love song (89,480) by RibbonB from USA I'm so obsessed with this Alessia Cara song. So beautuful, subtle, sweet and timeless. Co written with Alessia and producer-songwriter Rick Nowels. I mentioned him in this board a year or two ago as someone Mimi could benefit from working with, so I wasn't surprised when I saw his caliber of a name associated with the song. Classy, timeless material would do Mimi good and a big voice isn't required for a great song. I'm not sure how well this song charted but it's played multiple times daily on AC radio in Los Angeles. (Monday 6 May 2019; 23:00)

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