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Re: Does anyone here even stream music? (88,723) (88,727) by RibbonB from USA Absolutely, but you were jokingly blaming it all on streaming or the lack thereof. Keep in mind that it takes a whole lot of streaming from a lot of people to impact charts and if Mimi has her base scattered, confused or worse, no longer interested, then she has a big problem. You can Google it, but it takes over 1,200 streams from a paid subscription to equal one album unit and over 3,000 streams from an ad supported service to equal one album unit, so you can't discount physical sales or download equivalent impact. It just highlights that her base has dwindled. (Thursday 21 March 2019; 10:03)

Re: Why (88,719) (88,726) by Marissa from USA I think it's confusing for a lot of fans. Mariah has so much potential and has shown it many times. I don't think fans (including myself sometimes) know the line between unrealistic expectations and having great faith in her potential. It's hard to discern if the odds are just against her and everyone needs to lighten up or if she has dropped the ball in some area (which has often been the case). The question is she not doing as well because of her age, our new musical climate, poor promotion, an unrelatable image, or the musical content just isn't what the majority of people want these days? Also, I find it embarrassing seeing lambs begging or even bullying others to make a song chart to make up for the gp's ambivalence towards her career. I want Mariah to have a successful album because she earned the attention of the general public and lambs alike, not because the same 30 lambs are calling in sick from work to stream songs and endlessly refresh videos. It's like stuffing the ballot box because you don't want your friend to get her feelings hurt if she doesn't win for class president. I think the real question is what is Mariah's intention when she puts out music? Is it just a hobby now? Does she care more about chart success or critical acclaim? Is it about having touring opportunities so she can maintain her lifestyle? I think if she was more clear about what she wants out of her efforts the lambs would be able to decide what they should do (adjust expectations or leave the fanbase). Otherwise, it's only natural to believe that an artist's main intention when putting music out is to be commercially successful, hence why every era people come up with suggestions that they think would help attain that. (Thursday 21 March 2019; 01:57)

Re: Why (88,721) (88,725) by J from USA Gee, Adele is only 30. (Thursday 21 March 2019; 01:52)

Randy (88,724) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) My thing is you are entitled to your feelings just like everyone else is who comes to this message board. My thing is complaining about the same issues day in and day out will not change anything until MC herself wants to make anymore changes. It's either accept where she is and what she wants to do at this point in her life and career or leave it alone. I miss certain things about 90's MC, but I can appreciate MC in 2019 as well because she is being true to herself and she gave me in my opinion a great quality album this last go round. I have accepted that 90's MC is gone and where she takes her artistry at this point is where she sees it fit. (Thursday 21 March 2019; 01:11)

Re: Does anyone here even stream music? (88,707) (88,723) by jaker20 from US You can support any artists any way you want. Sales and CD still count and going to her concert is probably the best way to support Mariah. (Thursday 21 March 2019; 01:01)

Re: Does anyone here even stream music? Part 2 (88,718) (88,722) by jaker20 from US I feel like I opened a can of worms: 1. No, you don't need a computer to stream. Majority of people stream on their phones and many other devices at many different places. 2. People stream for convenience. You get so many songs with you if you have a phone or any streaming devices. People don't get streaming subscription because they want songs to chart lol. 3. I don't know what the "tabs" mean. You don't need to open "tabs" on your computer browser to stream. Honestly I don't understand what that post was even about. 4. IP address post: No, each time you play a song, that counts as a stream each, hence if you play it 10 times, you streamed it 10 times. 5. To that one poster, I stream on my phone most of the time, I walk to work, on the bus, and at work. When I do drive it's in the car too. I like having any song I want when I work out too. 6. Speakers have no relationship with streaming. Indirect equivalence. My dad loves streaming because he can tell Alexa to play anything anywhere in the house and he's got great audio system connected anywhere in his house. 6. I stream a song many times because I love a song same not because I want an artist to chart. I'm speechless for that false equivalence. You know kind of like when you put a CD on repeat? The difference is that the likelihood of playing a song on repeat is higher on streaming because its with you all the time. 7. If you live in a remote country, you probably won't stream. I guess some licensing issues, or some artist don't open their songs to streaming services in some areas, I don't know. (Thursday 21 March 2019; 00:49)

Re: Why (88,719) (88,721) by Randy from USA Let me explain why. When you have set the bar so high and have shown people who have financially supported you what you are capable of, they are going to have expectations. When you are lazy and complacent at your job after awhile Gee, wouldn't they give you a bad evaluation, write you up or fire you? What happens to a recording artist? Or a singer that doesn't sing, lip syncs? They get lower sales and maybe bad press. But they still get residuals from when they were great right? And because when they were great they saved millions of dollars so they actually could live off of their money, right? But what about you Gee? Do you still get a check from the great work you did 20 years ago? So this is when you say, "Well, fire Mariah." The thing is, I still believe in this woman. She constantly says she cares what the fans think. I even think she spies on us. We ask for no more callabos. We get MOAIA. We ask for no more lip syncing and she starts struggling through performances. We say fire Stella, she does. So when we ask for her to mature from eternally 12 to, I don't know, Adele's age, because she'll never accept 50, I can't help but believe she will. Finally, if there's nothing else that will convince you that Andrew, Edward, myself, and a few others are still fans. We are here. I could be doing anything else. Grading papers. Finding a man. Finding Special K because she still thinks I'm cute. P.S. When diehards, mainly me, have counted her out before, she's shocked the hell out of us. I said her voice was done after the 98 embarrassments and 99-00 lipsyncing. She was perfection and live at A Home For The Holidays in 2001. I said she will never sell again after Glitter and Charmbracelet. And she came back with TEOM. I said her voice is shot and it's all smoke, mirrors and studio tricks after MOAIA and she gave me that impromptu for the fans at Jimmy Fallon in 2012. I said her music is stale and she only sticks to pop/r&b and then she gave me Meteorite on MIAMTEC. So excuse me if I stick around for MC to prove me wrong again or shock the hell out of me. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 23:15)

Re: Does anyone here even stream music? (88,717) (88,720) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Doesn't each IP address only count as one "view" or "listen"? I thought each IP address would only be counted once. You can listen to a song on repeat 100 times in a row, but it will only count as 1, because they track that it's coming from the same device. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 20:50)

Why (88,719) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Why is that Mariah must jump leaps and bounds just to keep everyone content? Almost thirty years later no female artist has given us what she has given as far as influence and her catalog yet it is still not enough. She just released a great album yet she should work with everyone and their mama to please everyone. Why can't Mariah just do her and those that like it continue to support and those that are done riding her wave move on plain and simple. It has become so boring hearing people complain about the same things regarding Mariah at this point either accept for who she is or just hang on to who she once was and find another artist or artists that excite your tastes. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 20:20)

Re: Does anyone here even stream music? Part 2 (88,699) (88,718) by RibbonB from USA Billboard charting still counts radio, which Mimi can barely get new music airplay on, physical sales, which she gets a small fraction of what she used to and streaming, which is low by Drake standards. Mimi has to hit on all these bases she needs to find out where those fans are and what they want to consume. If she sold 200,000 physical copies, or equivalents her first week, she would've been sitting pretty, no matter the streaming part. Taylor Swift sold big with 1989, despite it not being available on Spotify. Yes streaming is the current wave, but other factors are still in play and Mariah hasn't addressed them. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 20:15)

Does anyone here even stream music? (88,717) by Lara from Middle East I don't. It's a no no for me. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 20:12)

Re: Does anyone here even stream music? Part 2 (88,699) (88,716) by MusicfanJ from Germany "$10 a month you get millions of songs." Yes, but I don't want and need millions of songs. Just because something is trending like streaming, that doesn't mean it's better. I don't like to listen to music via computer. I have an excellent stereo system at home where I can really enjoy the music offline not just "consume" on the internet besides. On the way I have my mp3-player. I also like YouTube. What I mean is I prefer quality music over quantity. I did buy Mariah's album on the first day of the release, so to say the "retro lambs" are the reason Mariah isn't selling enough is not fair. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 18:05)

Re: My duets album (88,714) (88,715) by RibbonB from USA Yes, the comments are hilarious. But that might makes him an undesirable duet partner. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 17:19)

Re: My duets album (88,713) (88,714) by Licia from USA Daniel is always saying stupid sh*t. He was supposedly drunk so when the backlash hits him that's his excuse. I never listened to him besides that song with him and H.E.R. so no need for me to cancel him. Lol. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 14:06)

Re: My duets album (88,708) (88,713) by RibbonB from USA Daniel Caesar is currently in cancellation, lol. I'm just being introduced to him. I only like three people in your list, so I would add Khalid and Ella Mai. Ella Mai tweeted recently that TEOM is one of her favorite records. Khalid has a cool voice and vibe. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 13:17)

Re: Breaking news (88,711) (88,712) by RibbonB from USA They gon' "cache him ousside"? (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 12:07)

Re: Breaking news (88,709) (88,711) by Licia from USA They are going to cyber jump you. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 10:03)

Streaming, copies sales, radio play (88,710) by Gilles from Malta The 21 century did change a lot the game, here in France my friends and I, we do not buy music anymore we are all on Spotify and the only physical copies we get are vinyls. I have been on Spotify now for many years. In my personal opinion I would say that CD sales are not relevant anymore. We can not compare sales like it was in the 90's (it is absurd). If labels accept to produce an artist to make an album, it means that she or he is relevant and makes money and profits. Artists are brands in a marketing world. Mariah for example is a marketing brand for make up, evening gowns, ready to wear, hair, plastic surgeries and other products or events (for example promoting Christmas, Valentine's Day or Saint Patrick's Day). Of course there is the talent but the talent needs to sell and influence the people for buying. Mariah won't be able to be in the game if she would not be all of this. Have a nice day everybody. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 09:02)

Breaking news (88,709) by Bill from the UK This just in. Caution's world wide sales rocketed to 201,000 after a unexpected streaming surge from 6 fans. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 07:05)

My duets album (88,708) by Bobby A from United States An duets album by MC is long over due. Here is my tracklisting: 1. Ne-Yo 2. John Legend 3. Chris Brown 4. Jacquees 5. Tank 6. Kenny Latimore 7. Bruno Mars 8. Fantasia 9. Shanice 10. Daniel Caesar 11. Usher 12. Toni Braxton and Tamar Braxton 13. Karen Clark-Sheard (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 02:57)

Re: Does anyone here even stream music? (88,703) (88,707) by Dove from United States On Stan Twitter they pass around directions on how to get music to chart. My niece does it. The way I did it is: I used my regular phone to play it on Amazon Music continuously, my old phone to play it on iTunes continuously, then the 50 tabs (on two separate browsers, so it's actually 100) with YouTube. If you're trying to get one song to chart you have to add a 30 second interlude in-between and get the page to automatically refresh every 40 seconds. I feel like buying the actual CD is the best way to support the artist and that's why I buy a bunch even though I don't know anybody other than my husband and myself who listen to actual CDs. What is the best way to support an artist? (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 00:58)

Re: Does anyone here even stream music? (88,695) (88,706) by RibbonB from USA I'm not sure what profession you have, but mine doesn't work well with listening to music, so there goes nine hours of my busy day. Shrug, but I'm obsessed with other artists, and Caution didn't grab my interest enough to listen to more than a few times. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 00:47)

Young Mariah (88,705) by Dove from United States I think a way to get younger people interested in Mariah is to have a TV show loosely based on her young life featuring her music as the soundtrack along with music that was popular at the time. She needs to get cool, good looking kids to play the characters. Then young people might be able to relate to her better. On a network station or Netflix. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 00:15)

Re: Does anyone here even stream music? Part 2 (88,699) (88,704) by Dove from United States Dang your post made me feel super un-hip. Maybe I will try streaming again. My husband spends a fortune on new albums that he only plays a few times and then forgets about them. Maybe my 15 year old son will enjoy having a music subscription but he's never asked for one. It's only $15 for a family plan. It just makes me sad that I might forget about certain albums if I don't own them. (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 00:09)

Re: Does anyone here even stream music? (88,700) (88,703) by Matthew from USA I think I understand you now, Dove. When you say you don't have time to stream, you mean leaving the song playing on your device in some infinite loop to help increase her chart position debut. Yeah, I don't have time for that either. I've never even done it for a week, so you are a better lamb than I. Are young people really doing this though? (Wednesday 20 March 2019; 00:08)

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