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Re: BBMAs 2019 (89,474) (89,479) by Bill from the UK When you look at the recipients of the Icon Award, Madonna is a pretty obvious omission though. It is equally as eyebrow raising that J Lo was awarded it ahead of Madonna. Madonna has been very influential and prominent on the charts for decades, and is one of the few musicians who literally everybody in the English speaking world has heard of (alongside Elvis and Michael Jackson). I don't think she warranted it over Mariah of course, as MC owned the charts throughout the 90s and inspired and set the template for a generation of female singers after her just as Aretha did before her. But yeh, I can understand why she'd be a bit pissed. If she's awarded it next time though it will lose its impact as it would seem like a reaction to her upset, which is never good. But ho hum. I really haven't paid attention to Madonna since I was in like, 7th or 8th grade when she used to be popular, so I didn't hear of her tirade until now. (Monday 6 May 2019; 22:22)

Re: BBMAs 2019 (89,476) (89,478) by MusicfanJ from Germany "Madonna reminded me of the old lady from the movie Studio 54 with Ryan Phillipe." Haha I remember the woman from the movie. Lol. I also think Madonna showed again that she's not a nice person. Bitter and envious. (Monday 6 May 2019; 22:12)

Article: Mariah Carey, Puff Daddy, Jay Z share this (89,477) by B from USA Her attention to detail is what makes her music so unique. (Monday 6 May 2019; 21:50)

BBMAs 2019 (89,476) by Dove from United States I hardly watch awards shows anymore but I watched the whole thing because I didn't know what time Mariah was coming on. Here are my observations: I liked Taylor's performance, it was fun and colorful and energetic. Halsey = poor man's P!nk. Ciara = poor man's Janet. Ariana wasn't trying to be Mariah for once so I appreciated that. Also noticed her voice sounded weaker than it did on performances from her first album. Kelly has a strong and powerful voice but the lyrics to her songs are consistently bad and she needs to keep her shoes on. Madonna reminded me of the old lady from the movie Studio 54 with Ryan Phillipe. (Also, she's gotten Icon awards before so she needs quit being bitter.) BTS - been there, done that with boy bands from the 90's and 2000's. I was impressed with Paula - great energy and lip synching done right. Mariah's performance had a few hiccups but I still loved it because I love her and I was moved by her humbleness and nostalgia and willingness to sing live even though her voice is not as predictable as it once was. (Monday 6 May 2019; 21:04)

Re: BBMAs 2019 (89,473) (89,475) by MusicfanJ from Germany Yes, the youngsters are so boring to watch. Bad entertainers and definitely no artists. I also think since 2010 it got worse and worse. Those "kids" will never understand that with talent you don't need to shock or copy. If I watch the charts I'm shocked about the songs. It almost sounds all the same. No heart, no real emotion on it. I wonder if the music biz will have another era of great singers like in the 80ies and 90ies. I don't think so. (Monday 6 May 2019; 19:04)

Re: BBMAs 2019 (89,473) (89,474) by Tijl from Belgium I agree. However I found Madonna's performance absolutely vulgar. I am so fed up with the S&M and religious references. She has played that card for way too long. If you take away all the dancers, the holographic crap and the sleazy dancing all you get is a very mediocre singer. Mariah looked absolutely classy (and yes, her sartorial choices aren't always the best) and she owned the stage and the room with every person in it. Madonna nagging on Twitter about how she should have received the Icon Award shows her true character. I never liked her as a person, once respected her as a pop star but the differences with a true iconic star like Mariah were never more blatant than on that evening. Noticed how Maluma looked at Mariah? Poor guy had to sing with the old bat lol. (Monday 6 May 2019; 17:33)

BBMAs 2019 (89,473) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines If there's anything the BBMAs 2019 has taught us, it's that the latest generation of performers (2010 onwards) apparently suck. Their performances are either uninspired, forgettable or are way too gimmicky and smack of trying too hard with the shock tactics. You can clearly see the difference between the Ariana, BTS and Halsey performances and the artists that debuted in the previous decade like Ciara, Taylor and Kelly. Even more so when compared with veterans such as Madonna, Paula, and Mariah, whose stage presence alone make it clear why they have lasted as long as they do. Mariah didn't even have to move much or walk and yet you couldn't look away from her. Madonna incorporated CGI imagery and basically turned Maluma into a pretty prop. Paula's performance clearly shows that she is truly a choreographer, who, at 56, moves much better than Janet who is almost 4 years her junior. Those 3 saved the night from becoming totally boring. They are just on another level and have a better understanding of the stage than the youngsters. (Monday 6 May 2019; 15:36)

Re: BMA vocal analysis (89,468) (89,472) by MusicfanJ from Germany I take Baldrian if it's needed. But I guess that's nothing that could help a singer. I think the same like Licia as long as Mariah knows what's not working and she really gives her best it makes her very human and "grown-up". But I also wonder if a superstar like Mariah can work a little bit on some things so that she does not need to be too nervous. (Monday 6 May 2019; 14:50)

Re: BMA vocal analysis (89,465) (89,471) by MusicfanJ from Germany Mariah was very confident during the MSG concert in 96. That's how it looked. I do believe you can have stage fright at the beginning and still be confident after a few minutes. At MSG Mariah knew she was the best singer at that time. She knew she was on top and nobody could come close. (Monday 6 May 2019; 14:42)

BBMA's (89,470) by darrian liu from taiwan Words cannot express how much I'm so proud of Mariah. Her performance, her speech, everything, even the interviews afterwards. Her performance had hiccups, it had some mishaps, she obviously wasn't in the best shape vocally, but she pulled through the whole thing like a champ. It wasn't about her vocals anymore, or how she looked, or how she acted. For that whole performance, we were all united by the music, the nostalgia, the awe that comes with a career and a talent of this magnitude, and most importantly - how resilient she is. This isn't a celebration of a successful, flawless idol; this is a celebration of her redemption. The free humor, the humility, the humanness; that's why we fell in love with Mariah and her music. Truly an iconic moment. (Monday 6 May 2019; 14:19)

Re: BMA vocal analysis (89,465) (89,469) by Bill from the UK I agree. She exuded confidence in earlier performances throughout the early to mid-90s. If her nerves are due to her voice now being unreliable, this is through her own choices she's made. Alcohol, marijuana, and excessive singing without recovery all damage a voice, yet she continues to do all these things. It's only because her voice was so spectacular to begin with, that she can still get by (albeit with a lot of smoke and mirrors). Not hating, simply stating the facts as I see them. Mariah is free to make whatever choices she wants to with her life, but as with everything, you reap what you sow. (Monday 6 May 2019; 11:37)

Re: BMA vocal analysis (89,459) (89,468) by Shezz from Pk I think nerves kick in now more than ever because she knows she's lost a lot of her voice and that she can't rely on it anymore. And more so on these public shows because she wants to be known as the voice and she knows people will be expecting her to deliver the enormous vocals when she can't. Isn't there something she can take before these performances to take the edge off a bit? A puff or 2? (Monday 6 May 2019; 05:37)

Re: BMA vocal analysis (89,463) (89,467) by Licia from USA I completely understand her being nervous and scared that her voice may not work in the way she wants it to in front of the world. I'm sympathetic to her and any other singer who goes through this. What I don't understand is why it seems that she's not taking the necessary steps to fix the problem so that she doesn't have to constantly worry or be nervous. It just seems to me like she's ignoring the problem, hoping it will work itself out. I don't want it to reach a point where it's unfixable. (Monday 6 May 2019; 04:59)

There've been a few memes (89,466) by Marissa from USA From the "there've been a few memes" comment to her admitting that her focus hadn't been in the right place for the past few years in her Genius interview, to her saying that she wasn't happy with her BBMA performance, the silver lining in all of this is that it has been nice to see Mariah show some self-awareness about her mistakes and mishaps. For the past few years I would watch performances and see her outrageous moments with the nightmare squad and would just think, "Does she genuinely believe that she is putting forward her best effort? Is this how she wants to be known?" It was so painful to watch someone make mistakes and double, triple, and quadruple down on them instead of learning from them and growing. Now it seems like she is finally starting to own her shit, and it is refreshing to watch. It sucked to see the nightmare squad go after her but it definitely gave her the kick in the behind needed to finally take responsibility for her life and poor decisions in the past and move forward as a grown woman (no matter what age she calls herself publicly ). (Monday 6 May 2019; 04:48)

Re: BMA vocal analysis (89,459) (89,465) by Stacey from USA My thoughts exactly. She certainly wasn't nervous during 1996 singing all those crazy notes at MSG. (Monday 6 May 2019; 03:45)

Re: BMA vocal analysis (89,459) (89,464) by B from USA Because she's always suffered from stage fright. She's never been a performer like Whitney or Celine. (Monday 6 May 2019; 02:19)

Re: BMA vocal analysis (89,459) (89,463) by Will from England Well, if you think about it, up until a few years ago, her voice was pretty much consistent. Whilst she may have had nerves early on in her career, she overcame/dealt with them because she didn't need to worry about her voice. It was one thing she could rely on to deliver a show well. Since Rockefeller though, she has known that every single performance that she does on TV now will be analysed in depth by fans and non-fans because it's being broadcast all over the world, replayed on YouTube and reacted to, and if she hits one wrong note, she knows that she will be torn down because of it. Have you not noticed that since then, the number of TV performances she has actually done have dropped considerably to just a scattering of them? She's only performed on TV when she has needed to or has been hired to. She knows that people are waiting for her to fail again, and for someone who has had insecurities all her life, that can mess your confidence up quite a bit, and sadly there is no quick way to fix it, no matter how long you have been in the game. The BMAs are viewed by quite a few people and this year, because of accepting the Icon Award, all eyes and attention will be on her and that's a stressful moment for anyone to deal with, on top of having to worry if your voice is going to be able to carry you through a performance that consists of some of the toughest songs ever recorded, and doing it all live. I mean, let's look at Adele, who true hasn't been doing this as long as Mariah, has openly said that she suffers from stage fright terribly. Other singers who have been doing this for a long time, like Barbra Streisand, Andrea Bocelli, all have come out and said that they too suffer from stage fright. It's not something that experience and longevity can fix. In Mariah's own words "But for me, there are different rules, I don't know why." (Monday 6 May 2019; 00:04)

Re: Mariah Caution vinyl for sale (89,454) (89,462) by Bobby A from United States I decided to take it to my local bookstore this afternoon. They gave me $20.00 for it. Sorry. (Sunday 5 May 2019; 23:48)

Re: BMA vocal analysis (89,453) (89,461) by Will from England I can understand that. It's not necessarily picking apart her voice, but focusing more on her technique on the night and what she could do to improve it going forwards. They do conclude by saying that there are things that she can do to ensure her voice has more consistency, and do say that overall, vocally, it was a challenging medley for her to do. I found it to be a positive look at it overall, rather than bashing/slating her. They say things that have been mentioned on this board over the past few years, only that they have the expertise and knowledge to back up what they are saying. As for nerves, that is highlighted and they do go into detail on her body language as she's singing which highlights the nerves. It is worth a watch. (Sunday 5 May 2019; 22:14)

Article: Lovari features Mariah Carey remake (89,460) by Steven Berning from USA His voice is so, so, so, so horrible. How the heck is he legit? That was painful to listen to. That was comparable to the crazy singers on American Idol, during the opening auditions, who have no idea how atrocious they are until Simon Cowell goes in on them lol. (Sunday 5 May 2019; 20:50)

Re: BMA vocal analysis (89,453) (89,459) by Randy from USA I'm just curious. After 30 years of singing all around the world and in front of presidents, at star funerals and on live television, why are nerves still a valid excuse for someone considered one of the best singers of all time? (Sunday 5 May 2019; 20:36)

Re: BMA vocal analysis (89,453) (89,458) by Special K from USA I thought those guys were fair and made good points. They did mention nerves. I'm generalizing but they felt when Mariah's nerves kicked in, that is when she would push too hard on the vocals which caused the pitch and lack of control issues. Like they stated it's obvious either Mariah currently has nodules or had them in the past which is contributing to the deterioration of her voice. Personally I thought they were spot on about Mariah humbling herself, accepting her current voice, and working with a vocal coach that will get her voice healthy and in top condition. It was repeated a few times that Mariah's voice is not healthy. It was also pointed out that Mariah can still hit the high notes with ease and what was really interesting is they pointed out that Mariah's lower registry was in top form and they didn't understand why she doesn't make adjustments and incorporate her lower registry more while singing live. Fans don't want to hear it but I actually agreed "to a certain degree" with dude when he said Mariah was lazy and perhaps riding on her name, but then he seemed to change his tune reiniterating that he knows she works hard, etc. They also discussed why the pitch dropped during WBT because she was out of breath and also pointing out why Mariah can't hold a consistent clear flow singing ABMB. Bottom line, Mariah has got to set her priorities straight taking the necessary steps to get her voice healthy again and adjusting to the changes in her voice. She can do it, but it's going to take dedication, hard work, and humility. (Sunday 5 May 2019; 19:01)

Re: BMA vocal analysis (89,453) (89,457) by RibbonB from USA She sings like that on tour. The nerves thing has been played out, although it course they would show at a big moment like that. She's been in the game long enough to slay those big moments. The best ones do. I hope she takes a break after the European leg of Caution and the Vegas residency that she's doing "One mo gen". At some point she needs to address the voice or at least rest it for a couple of years. Constantly pushing through to keep paying her entourage is self defeating. (Sunday 5 May 2019; 18:13)

Re: BMA vocal analysis (89,452) (89,456) by RibbonB from USA I agree it's a fair reaction. (Sunday 5 May 2019; 18:07)

Re: BMA vocal analysis (89,452) (89,455) by Jono from USA I definitely respect his constructive criticism; he usually is very good about picking apart an artist's voice without bashing, it's a very honest assessment. He also reacted to Mariah's famous 1992 "If It's Over" performance and he was absolutely floored. (Sunday 5 May 2019; 17:55)

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