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Re: With You thoughts (84,383) (84,393) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter She also already has a title, "Storm". (Friday 5 October 2018; 17:28)

AMA performance of With You (84,392) by T from USA If she just does the standard standing at the mic this performance will fall flat. I'm thinking of her Billboard performance of Infinity or recent iHeart performance. I honestly think a stripped down performance where the spotlight is just on her ala MTV stripped or something John Legend would do will really elevate the song. (Friday 5 October 2018; 16:40)

Re: Oh for fx sakes (84,390) (84,391) by T from USA Maybe because of the A/C leanings? Or maybe because she wasn't following radio trends at the very beginning? Now it's interesting because she's got one toe dipped in "not following any trends" and at the same time the other toe is dipped in the "what's going on at radio right now with Ella Mai". I wonder what an album would sound like if she did mature music coming from a 48 year old who really doesn't care about what's in anymore? But that's not Mariah is it? (Friday 5 October 2018; 16:38)

Oh for fx sakes (84,390) by 90sMariah from SG It's funny how then 18yo Mariah was able to write mature, profound and poetic lyrics in VOL, LTT, Vanishing while her now 48yo self have settled with phrases like "I fks with ya" and "GTFO" in her songs. She is taking her "eternally 12" mantra was too seriously. (Friday 5 October 2018; 15:53)

With You or Without You (84,389) by Edward from USA "With You" is a nice filler song, that's about it. It definitely seems Mariah has lost her muse though. 90's Mariah seemed to have more depth and mature lyrics than this Mariah. The Curious Case of Benjamin Button comes to mind, Mariah when young seemed to have an old soul and her music reflected that, but now that she's older, her soul has gotten more juvenile, so weird. I like "With You", but single material It. Is. Not. What's next with her aggressive lyrics, a future Christmas song called "Merry Effing Christmas"? After all Virgin Mary had to give birth to Jesus, maybe she cursed while going through labor like some women do out of pain, who knows. I'm still looking forward to the new album though. (Friday 5 October 2018; 15:51)

MC 15 (84,388) by B from USA According to several sites Mariah and Drake collaborated on a song for her new album. I'm loving With You but I wonder why they chose it over the Drake feature? (Friday 5 October 2018; 15:50)

Rolling Stone review (84,387) by B from USA Rolling Stone gave With You a positive review. (Friday 5 October 2018; 15:43)

Mariah Carey's best awards show performances (84,386) by B from USA Billboard ranked Mariah's best award show performances. Several of my favorites made the list. Mariah's performance of If Only You Knew/Somewhere Over The Rainbow at the 1998 Essence Awards, Vision of Love at the 1991 Grammy's, We Belong Together/Fly Like A Bird at the 2006 Grammy's, and Emotions at the 1991 VMA's. (Friday 5 October 2018; 15:25)

JKi at AMAs (84,385) by Atwood from NY Smh, and she is performing her newest song. Really? (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:47)

With You half-assed climax (84,384) by Lafa from Sweden The half-assed climax in With You actually sounds really good in my mind. (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:45)

Re: With You thoughts (84,345) (84,383) by May from Denmark Vulgariah or... Bianca? She should have released an entire album as Bianca. Hilarious. But more fitting. (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:40)

With You (84,382) by Carlos from Brazil I think the music landscape of these days are not about raw talent and vocals anymore. If we take a look in today's chart it's more about being edgy and current with a strong social media impact. Take a look at today's divas and you will find nothing but lack of real vocalists. Halsey, Rihanna, Taylor Swift and Ella Mai (which I think is what Mariah is mostly sounding like) are talented but they don't need all those melismatic runs. I think people are not interested in that anymore. Christina Aguilera and Kelly Clarkson almost went unnoticed with their albums. Even Ariana who is a great singer has yet to have a number one record and let's be honest, she's way weaker than Mariah. I think "With You" is about being current. No exagerated vocals and a minimalistic beat just like Ella's singles. If Mariah is holding herself or if it's because she couldn't hit those notes from the past she could only benefit from all of this. (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:30)

Re: With You (84,368) (84,381) by MusicfanJ from Germany What do the members on here think about the lyrics honestly? I would enjoy it more without the alcohol references again. (I think Deedre already mentioned it.) And without the f.. again. I hope on the new album there is a song without those words. The language outside is "aggressive" enough, I would prefer lyrics more deeply by Mariah. With deeply I mean more poetic and less "cool". But I had to laugh about the word "Vulgariah" posted on here. (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:28)

Re: A message for Adam (84,331) (84,380) by May from Denmark I remember Kelly said after she left people were gonna realize how things really are and the tricks, that you can only fool people for so long. I thought she was being a bitch, later with the time I was more inclined to think that there might have been a fair amount of manufacturing. Perhaps not at the get go, that was all raw Mariah, but maybe later. There's no denial Mariah loved the attention, she always did, was too obvious, she loves the glitz, the glam, the money. She complained a lot about Mottola but only dropped him when she was at her peak and done everything to follow the formula given. I wonder if she only writes happy easy uplifting tunes since E=MC2 or ballads that have to do with her relationships because there's no more actual struggle like poverty to write something like Make it Happen or any more discrimination to do Outside. It's like the most emotional view she ever gave us from her acquired fame was Looking In, which is to me, one of the few truly sincere songs she has written. Mentions to alcohol and other things like that have been there, like in The Roof, but somehow it seemed fitted to the context. I don't like to assume and such. Maybe she is scared or afraid to write about her real struggles. She has only been writing what she wants for herself since E=MC2, and she said that, she is only doing music she wants to do. Meteorite and YDKWTD seemed promising, I even liked "I Don't", there was something dark about it and GTFO. I have some hopes for the new album. (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:26)

Re: Try again Mariah (84,364) (84,379) by TJ from Norway Do we discuss topics or persons? (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:17)

Re: With You - nostalgia (84,327) (84,378) by May from Denmark When people say the Mariah they grew up with it gives me the impression they want this woman who can throw her lungs out of her mouth, which she can't anymore. I don't think they necessarily are referring to the type of music. The woman used to have a lot of power and energy, and now at days not, also the stage presence has decreased, is that as a whole they refer to the old Mariah? Maybe more pop songs less R&B? Mariah always said she never liked doing pop, she was asked for by the bosses because it was what sold. (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:10)

Here's where I'm at (84,377) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I understand why some underwhelmed fans would be upset. Now is probably the most favorable time for the introduction of a new Mariah era since 2008 and they feel like she blew her chances by releasing a familiar-sounding slow-burner that doesn't spell "commercial", "hit" or even "radio-friendly". I'm just as surprised as anyone who wonders how Epic approved of this track to kick off the new album. Nonetheless, I'm still happy because she is still trying to get back in the game but now on her own. Both GTFO and With You have reached the top 3 on iTunes in her own home country as well as worldwide. I know it's momentary and it's just iTunes, but (except AIWFCIY), when was the last time that Mariah charted that high on a popular music store unassisted by a rapper or a younger artist? It proves there's still some public interest in her music. How many 90s artists even do that these days? Not J.Lo., Gwen Stefani, Usher or Brandy. Not even fellow legends Janet, Mary J., Celine or Madonna. Heck, even Alicia and Christina fail to generate that type of interest for their new material these days. I'm just appreciative that she and her team are finally working like a well-oiled machine. If the material is wrong, then so be it. As long as she promotes the hell out of it, then at least we know she's trying. Who knows what all of those efforts can do? It's less painful to watch a bad single choice fail despite great promo than a great single choice abandoned and go to waste. Besides, With You's dated sound actually sticks out like a sore thumb against everything that's on Top 40 right now, so that may end up being an advantage. It's still within the iTunes top 10 (for a day now) as of this writing, and the video, the AMAs and the radio push haven't happened yet, so I guess we'll see. (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:03)

Re: History repeats itself (84,351) (84,376) by MusicfanJ from Germany "The only question left: is the album like GTFO or With You?" Good question, I ask myself too. I just have a feeling we may all be surprised, positive or negative we'll see. When will the album be released? Is there a difference for the date between USA and Europe? (Friday 5 October 2018; 13:52)

Re: Negativity (84,361) (84,375) by Tijl from Belgium Thank You for making that statement. I believe that every Lamb out there has an ideal "Mariah" in his or her head that MC just can't live up to. She has reached such an iconic status that being a real human being no longer fits the mold. I would love for Mariah to forever sound like her "Daydream" counterpart and I wish that she would eternally look like she did in the "I Still Believe" video but helaas. "Sometimes the icon becomes bigger than the music itself," said Chris Noth when he announced Mariah at VH1 Fashion Awards in 2001. And this was even before the comeback of the century. To live that life one can only imagine and I don't blame her for hiding behind a "faux" persona in order to survive the mayhem of being that kind of famous. There is an endless list of huge superstars that got lost in their fame and who did not survive. I am very gratefull that she is a fighter, that she is still around and that she keeps on creating music in the way she feels doing it. Only when she will be really gone, people will truly appreciate the traces she has left on the world of popular music. (Friday 5 October 2018; 13:25)

Re: With You "I Don't" (84,367) (84,374) by Lexingz from Estonia Yep I thought I Don't was a good one, music-wise and vocally. The video ruined it. She looked young and pretty but the styling was wayyyy too trashy. (Friday 5 October 2018; 13:08)

Re: Try again Mariah (84,364) (84,373) by Special K from USA Yes, that song is way better. (Friday 5 October 2018; 12:47)

With You (84,372) by Anonymous from UK With you is gorgeous. There's a few things I don't like about it, vocals included, but everyone's literally been asking for something stripped back in her current voice for years. She delivers exactly that and people aren't happy. It is a very simple delivery and yeah, I feel like for a hit and the impact we desire, there's something missing, maybe? But I love the melodies, the layering, the key changes. [...] It's soft, intimate, delicate but raw and quintessentially MC. I've not felt this chilled and nostalgic with a Mariah song since MOAIA. I miss the old 90s quality everyday, but unless there's some divine vocal/Walter intervention, I'll gratefully take this as an upgrade from the "Triumphant (you're mine)" days. (Friday 5 October 2018; 11:12)

Re: A message for Adam (84,353) (84,371) by MusicfanJ from Germany Chris and Adam you speak from my heart. I feel the same way with everthing you said. It's really heartbreaking and sad. Yes, "Looking in" was telling that fame and money and the gift that the world was praising and loving didn't give happiness. "I believe Tommy on some level was trying to protect her from the destructive influences of fame and the vipers den that is the music business, but he overplayed his hand and lost her. The irony is that when Mariah freed herself from Tommy's control she became a slave to the fame itself and all of the yes-men and sycophants that come with it. Now she goes through the motions, cynical and passionless. I don't think she ever had the temperament to cope with fame." Absolutely agree. I don't care if the new songs are on the charts, she has enough number ones. I only wish that Mariah the artist would show up a little bit more, not the superstar. It's hard to believe that a woman who sung "Vision of love" and "Everything fades away" are the one who releases "GTFO". Yes, it may be modern or all for fun, but it's hard to recognize Mariah Carey. I know the 90ies will never come back (in every way) but I would love to see a more contemporary Mariah. I don't need pop music, RNB and soul are great but please for grown-ups and not for teenagers. They already have their "entertainers". I guess most of Mariah's fans are no teens. When Mariah started her career, she seemed more grown-up like today. I always find that a bit weird. Normally it is the opposite when someone starts. Fame really must be the hell, like you have said Elvis, Micheal, Whitney, George Micheal and many more were just a shadow of themself at the end. I will always love Mariah and I'm still excited for the new album, but it's good to know that some fans on this board share the same thoughts and feelings. (Friday 5 October 2018; 10:49)

GTFO was much better than With You (84,370) by MC1989 from Spain I don't like this choice. I feel like it's not something new. It's like a mixture between We Belong Together and The Art Of Letting Go. It's not that I don't like the song, but after GTFO - which I love - I expected something different, not another slow jam with fingers clapping. (Friday 5 October 2018; 10:27)

Just appreciate what's left (84,369) by Malcolm from Asia Mariah can't really satisfy her fans and it's sad. GTFO and With You are good and the best songs she released since You're Mine. I'm satisfied and happy with what's happening with Mariah right now and I don't need to become negative about everything because she's in good company, healthy and radiant. Don't act like this song is worst than I Don't, Infinity, Infamous, get over with it and move on. She has nothing to prove with anyone anymore, the new songs are good, the promotions are good, the visuals for this era are shaping to be good, I mean all is well and that's good enough for me, hit or flop. (Friday 5 October 2018; 09:41)

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