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Re: "Lullaby" Can’t Go For That remix? (83,165) (83,172) by Warrior Butterfly from USA Could you send me a copy? twisted2words@yahoo.com (Thursday 19 July 2018; 20:02)

Re: The truth about Walter A (83,170) (83,171) by RibbonB from USA JD is her friend, Walter is not. She kind of likes to vibe with those she works with and she doesn't even trust Walter. That is a ship that has long ago sailed away. (Thursday 19 July 2018; 16:25)

The truth about Walter A (83,170) by T from USA Does anyone else think that the real reason she will never try it again with Walter Afanasieff is due to her vocal decline? I mean it was reported that Randy Jackson had set up a meeting between herself and Walter and they met but nothing materialized for MIAMTEC. I wonder if a lot of it has to do with her being incredibly self conscience about her voice. I mean the last time he recorded her singing she was doing things like Butterfly, My All and Lead The Way. It can't be that he's "too stale now" because she continues to work with JD after twenty years. Do you think the truth is it's more ego about the voice and less about the past? (Thursday 19 July 2018; 15:44)

Re: "Lullaby" Can’t Go For That remix? (83,166) (83,169) by Bobby A from United States Can you send it to me too? Thank you. mercyjames678@gmail.com (Thursday 19 July 2018; 11:54)

Re: "Lullaby" Can’t Go For That remix? (83,165) (83,168) by Stacey from USA Can I have it too? daydreamer.butterfly@gmail.com (Thursday 19 July 2018; 05:51)

Re: Observation: Johnny Gill on Wendy Williams (83,164) (83,167) by CDC from CA So what exactly does a "decent" Johnny Gill performance have to do with Mariah's sentiments towards, efficiency in or legacy of live performance? Absolutely nothing. You mean that timeline of use is the biggest, gaping factor that alters voice preservation? "If Johnny Gill's first album came out in 19xx, and has been singing since 19xx, he's done xyz concerts, must have opened his larynx xyz times, so why can't Mariah do the same when she's been out much later, sung fewer concerts and therefore hasn't sung as much?" It's funny when people make these elliptical mathematical equations only to sum up a scenario of absurdities. The simple matter of fact is that Johnny Gill (and like Celine, and others) have lived a different lifestyle in their 50 years than Mariah has in hers. And that is the biggest influencer in voice preservation. And the past lifestyle decisions of others are things that us outsiders should just get over and accept. And so if your qualm is that Mariah can't seem to navigate her vocal deterioration (enough to your degree of satisfaction), then improvement is something she owes herself and nobody else. I can explain more critically if you're interested in another long post. (Thursday 19 July 2018; 04:43)

Re: "Lullaby" Can’t Go For That remix? (83,165) (83,166) by Goob from USA Goobersnattch@gmail.com. Thanks. (Thursday 19 July 2018; 03:57)

Re: "Lullaby" Can’t Go For That remix? (83,158) (83,165) by Philipp from Switzerland I have it, where do you want me to send it to? (Wednesday 18 July 2018; 05:27)

Observation: Johnny Gill on Wendy Williams (83,164) by Randy from USA So, I'm watching Johnny Gill on Wendy today and he was wearing those hideous ear monitors in each ear. He never once fidgeted with them. He sang Rub You The Right Way from his 1989 album. It was lower and he didn't hit his higher full voice notes but he was on key throughout the verses and modified his ad-libs to match his current voice. He can't dance to save his life but he moved all around the stage. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's used his voice as much as MC by the simple fact that he was out before her and part of a group before that. He then probably had to tour twice as much as she did because he didn't have the album sales and big contracts like she did in the decades after his debut. So that's how he made money. My point is he did a pretty decent job today without smoke and mirrors and was somewhat entertaining. And my favorite part, when he finished Wendy walked up to him and said "Good job and no lip syncing at all." But let me go ahead and save the delusional posters some time: MC has special nuances in her voice that he can't replicate, MC didn't grow up in church or come from singing in nightclubs, MC is more comfortable in a studio, MC has nodules, MC's ear monitors don't work and she can't hear herself, MC didn't expect to be singing in front of a casket, MC attended the Fresh Air benefit and they were pumping in smoke, MC didn't get enough sleep, MC doesn't sing well in air conditioning, MC was going through a divorce, MC had food poisoning, MC didn't want to try to outsing a legend and MC has stage fright. (Wednesday 18 July 2018; 05:11)

A message for B (83,163) by Bill from the UK B, I've always enjoyed your posts and I know you've always got Mariah's back which is always admirable. But to answer some of your post, yes you're right that plenty of singers lip sync and it is accepted as somewhat of an industry norm, rightly or wrongly. But Celine and Beyoncé can carry a tune in between the lip syncing. I've yet to find any evidence of Mariah doing that in recent years. You say she preserves her voice for the ballads but these are lipped as much as the uptempos, more so when it comes to Hero, My All, Without You, I Still Believe and others. Please direct me to the "incredible live vocals" before and after I Still Believe. I ask sincerely as I haven't seen any and I am genuinely interested and will happily be proved wrong. You're right also that Mariah didn't sing in church or the club circuit like others have, but B, she's had 25 years to get over her stage fright. If she is physically and vocally paralysed when on stage, she shouldn't put herself through that. No one minds that Barbra Streisand or Kate Bush have rarely toured over their long careers. We won't mind if Mariah scales back hers either. She looked very comfortable and confident on the Unplugged, Thanksgiving, and MSG performances, and completely commanded the stage during the Daydream tour. I think we all accept voices change over time. For example, Joni Mitchell's once sweet falsetto is now a husky alto. But she changed her songs and singing style to accommodate the change. If Mariah can take that huge, massive step of revealing her bipolar disorder and be as loved, accepted, and respected as she was beforehand, I guarantee the same will happen if she came clean about how she has lost her voice. There would be no shame from us, simply acceptance and gratitude to her for bringing great music into our lives for so many years. It's the denial, and the extremes she goes to in order to cover this up and mask it, all at the expense of those fans who have loved, adored, and supported her, that will never sit right with me. With respect B. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 22:04)

Re: Can't Let Go live (83,154) (83,162) by Hector from Mexico The best example of shouting out notes rather than singing is "Can't take that away" (in The Butterfly Returns). (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 20:05)

Re: Article: The good, the bad and the ugly of "Loverboy" (83,151) (83,161) by Hector from Mexico I love the Glitter album, but the movie is beyond awful. My favorite tracks are Never Too Far, Lead The Way, All My Life and Want You. Great album. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 20:02)

Re: JD (83,134) (83,160) by RibbonB from USA Here's a great live performance and if course den babies from the Hollywood bowl performance. She looked nonchalant, but sounded in good form. I just love ABMB the pre-WBT and DFAU. I hope JD has included Manuel Seal in this latest round of recording, writing sessions. I'm nervous for her with this next project but she is bound to have some gems. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 18:01)

Re: Be nice or leave (83,156) (83,159) by Chicago Lamb from USA The fact is, Mariah doesn't care what anyone thinks. Honestly though. She broke out on the scene in 1990 and has been booked solid ever since. We have a right to express criticisms, but sometimes some here don't give a fair look to the other side of the coin. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 16:11)

"Lullaby" Can’t Go For That remix? (83,158) by Goob from USA Hi, new here but been a Mariah fan since her debut. During the CB era there was a fan made remix of "Lullaby" with Hall and Oates' Can't Go for That. Does anyone have it and if so, could you send it to me? This is a long shot. I've googled/youtube'd for years and nothing's come up. Thanks. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 15:55)

Re: Be nice or leave (83,157) by 90sMariah from SG I apologise for hurting all your feelings. From this day on I will focus on the positives. Here I go: Mariah who used to be known for singing really well looks really good for her age, her hair styles are amazing, her make up's on point, her shoes look fierce, she looks healthy and she really has nice looking gowns - really nice. That really feels good - being nice and complimenting. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 15:28)

Be nice or leave (83,156) by We are Lambily from USA I can't even know what to say, so many haters and non lambs on this page. Just pure hate, asking a women who has had 30 years of success, these past 5 years, cruella de ville and co have focused on other things beside the music, and in one of the articles Stella wrote, she said that their management company together had projects worth over 100 million, her MAC makeup success. She has been in movies, tv shows etc. Mariah is being name dropped all over the world, in music, tv shows and what not. So many of the leading girls in music who have come out even in these past 5 years have expressed how much they love her, so many "kids" are on twitter with their fan pages dedicated to Mariah etc. The new era hasnn't even begun, Mariah is making moves behind the scenes, she has been seen with many Grammy award winning songwriters and producers. Why do you always have to try to bring Mariah down, it's unfair, she has given so much and she isn't done yet. Her songwriting and producing alone will make sure she is good of life. Be excited guys, Mariah is finally really dedicated to making moves again. The truth is many of you are [censored], Mariah has spent more weeks at #1 than anyone, she has more #1s than anyone, and 17 are actually self written. She knows this industry as good as any other legend. She has been trough it all. Also gotta clarify that Live Nation have said that her show have a sell out rating or whatever of 90+ and have had many completely sold out shows, same with Vegas. Good things will come. Everyone who has gone to Vegas has said she sounds amazing, ugh she is really back guys, time to take back the industry again lol. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 14:28)

Re: Article: The good, the bad and the ugly of "Loverboy" (83,151) (83,155) by TJ from Norway The album is superb, but the movie? I was embarrassed while watching it. Mariah knows how to sing emotions, but can't express them on the screen. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 11:53)

Re: Can't Let Go live (83,152) (83,154) by Licia from USA I think alot of their complaints are that when she does sing live it's like she's shouting out notes rather than singing. I can say this one does seem 100% live. I enjoyed the CLG from the very first show though. Thanks for sharing. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 11:44)

Re: Article: The good, the bad and the ugly of "Loverboy" (83,151) (83,153) by Licia from USA I agree about Glitter being a great album. I don't know if the movie would have done any better had 9/11 not happened, but maybe the album could have had a better chance. I'm miffed at the author of the article making it seem as if Loverboy hitting number 2 is bad. Although I like the song, I honestly didn't expect it to get that high so to me reaching number two is a huge feat. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 11:40)

Can't Let Go live (83,152) by enwar00 from usa I haven't been following or watching clips from the new Vegas show but I randomly just stumbled upon this. Maybe I'm one of those silent lambs or perhaps a blind and deaf lamb because I can't tell that she's lip synching but for sure I must be crazy because to me it just sounds like she's singing and dare I actually like it, not to mention I think she looks good and I find myself enjoying the clip and rewatching it. Who knew? (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 08:54)

Article: The good, the bad and the ugly of "Loverboy" (83,151) by Lainsky from Philippines Glitter remains one the best soundtracks and albums of Mariah in terms of quality and musicality. The movie was not that bad as the critics claimed. If not for the 9/11 tragedy, I still believe things could have been different and way much better. However, there are no accidents nor coincidences. Things happen for many reasons. And Mariah was able to learn from such uncontrolled and unforeseen circumstances. There's one thing that will never change... it's still a very good high quality album. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 06:41)

Oh, please (83,150) by Anthony Basco from Cardiff, Wales Be nice or leave. That used to be the motto. Now it's who gets the most points for "intelligently reasoning" their disdain for Mariah, disguising it as care. Perhaps her voice has disappeared into the ether from whence it came - how dare you say what she should do or what you would do when you have no idea what it's like to possess that gift and lose it. And no, it's not all Mariah's life choices that have made it so. So many other incredible vocalists continue to smoke and drink, and maintain their voices to a recognisable degree. I for one know that Mariah had the greatest vocal ability known to man, and at her prime she was beyond phenomenal. I can understand the frustration at the smoke and mirror tactics but where is the humanity? To have that and to have lost it. We don't know how that feels, and we will never know. And believe it or not, there are many people in the world happy to see her lip sync, because they love the person and respect the gift that she gave the world for so long. If you don't like her as she is now and can't learn empathy, then please, I implore you. Be nice, or leave. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 05:44)

Mariah (83,149) by B from USA Mariah Carey is a perfectionist and when she lyps she usally lyps parts of her uptempos to preserve her voice for the ballads. Every singer in the industry lyps even Celine and Queen Bey. The only performance I've found disappointing during the first leg of The Butterfly Returns residency was I Still Believe. However, she gave some incredible live vocals before and after performing that song while using a backing track. Mariah's never been been at home on stage like Whitney and Celine who performed in nightclubs prior to getting theor deals. Mariah's a studio singer, always has been always will be. If you're expecting Mariah to sound like she did in 1990 you're clearly delusional or a wolf pretending to be a lamb. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 05:00)

For the nostalgia (83,148) by B from USA Here's Mariah singing Breakdown live during the Rainbow World Tour. (Tuesday 17 July 2018; 04:45)

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