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Re: Grammys (72,675) (72,688) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Agreed. Jagged Little Pill was just as big a contender as Daydream was. While Daydream did contain a slew of (mega) hit singles, I can't say it's as relevant as JLP to this day, and by relevant I don't mean influence, but actual popularity. It's still the go-to post-breakup listening therapy for a lot of the younger audiences these days, whereas Daydream isn't even mentioned much, even though its songs do get some airplay. As a Mariah fan, a part of me will still be bitter about Grammys '96, but not because JLP won, but because Mariah didn't get squat. Not. Even. Just. One. Even if JLP was basically a lot of angst mostly expressed through yelping, it still holds up strongly to this day, just like Daydream does. It was the only album out of the nominees that I wouldn't mind Daydream losing to. (Wednesday 15 February 2017; 7:21)

Should fans retire? (72,687) by Nikki from usa Why badger some else to live up to your expectations? Why would you think what an artist has done 20 years ago is something they want to recapture? A singer will always be a singer. Aretha and Patti are beyond their prime years, but that doesn't stop them from working. The very reason Mariah's had the success she has is due to her passion and drive for music. That's not something that fizzles out one day because you are no longer the public's darling. If that were the case she never would've come back from Glitter. That is career ending for most and the entire industry counted her out. If she didn't have the music in her or the drive to follow through 2001 would've been the last year you heard from her. Where she is isn't where everyone else is. I think some should face the fact that if they're looking for Mariah to retire than maybe your fandom already did. I still believe MC did retire in 1998. #1's was her send off of her commercialized career at that point where she came full circle right down to her collab with Whitney. From that point on she wouldn't have the full backing of Sony and she was going to do the type of music she liked for better or for worse. Which has been hit or miss for a lot of you ever since. Maybe it's time to face the music. (Wednesday 15 February 2017; 7:13)

Re: Along the lines of #89 (72,668) (72,686) by Malcolm from Asia Besides the marriage thing, I think Mariah and her team became too comfortable with the massive success of TEOM that they believed any song that Mariah will release that time will be a hit. I just wish that the album was well-thought-out and not took it easy because there's so many potential hits there. (Wednesday 15 February 2017; 6:56)

Re: Sad to say (72,651) (72,685) by Malcolm from Asia I agree. Imagine if she does all of that and just have the residency in Vegas, some occasional tours, few guestings on TV and appearances in those major award shows, her legacy and music will be much more appreciated. Look at Celine, I think that's the perfect example of a career fit for a legend. And if the situation was like that, who knows maybe she can release another album and it will be straight up to #1 as long as the main goal is to celebrate her success and the legacy and not to compete with the current pop stars and leotard bullsh*t. (Wednesday 15 February 2017; 6:21)

Current era (72,684) by Manny from U.S. I've noticed LA Reid has been posting on IG promoting DJ Kahled's and Jay Z new single. I even saw a post of him with JLo a few weeks ago. He never posted anything on "I Don't". I wonder what is going on there. I know he mentioned something of her not selling. I'm paraphrasing. Is Mariah just releasing to get out of her contract? I wonder how her label really felt about this single and video. I don't like the song or video. I was hoping for more. (Wednesday 15 February 2017; 5:20)

Re: Grammys (72,675) (72,683) by B from USA Alanis was deserving but to say Mariah wasn't during her peak for any award that is/was supposedly awarded to the best female vocalist is insane. She may not have deserved album or song of the year but she definitely deserved the awards for vocals in 1995. (Wednesday 15 February 2017; 4:35)

Re: Sad to say (72,676) (72,682) by B from USA As long as she toured sporadically and if she was actually in charge of her social media accounts and interacted with her fans and occasionally performed and/or presented at events and acted in prestige films like Precious and The Butler I'd probably be fine with her semi retiring but I'd also always crave new music from her and I doubt she'll ever stop recording. (Wednesday 15 February 2017; 4:32)

Re: Grammys (72,675) (72,681) by Edward from USA Great point T.J. We shouldn't judge an album based on whether the artist is popular today or not, but in terms of its content and quality. Mariah happened to be going against an excellent album. I love Daydream, but Jagged Little Pill was as great. Alanis didn't snatch those Grammys from Mariah, the people who didn't vote for her did. And Alanis still today is an excellent lyricist. (Wednesday 15 February 2017; 4:00)

Re: 26 million viewers Grammy's missed opportunity (72,661) (72,680) by Tevin from USA She performed at the Grammys during the E=MC2 era. In fact I remember that performance because Mariah looked like she stepped into a time machine and brought her 1996 self there to perform, she looked amazing. (Wednesday 15 February 2017; 2:50)

Anthony / Beyonce (72,679) by RibbonB from USA Congrats to Anthony Burrell. I hear he choreographed Beyonce's triumphant Grammy performance. The chair thing was scary, but it was all very effective, especially with her being pregnant. He is making good use of his time I see. (Wednesday 15 February 2017; 1:59)

Re: The problem with Stella (72,671) (72,678) by Gigi from USA I'm going to respectfully disagree with you. Stella is an enabler, the Howard K. Stern of managers. She doesn't care one bit about Mariah's image or legacy. She creates bad situations for Mariah, so she can feel empowered to "save the day". As suggested on this board, I wouldn't be surprised if Stella is laughing behind the scenes along with the rest of the general public. As I was standing in line for my Meet & Greet photo opportunity last year I witnessed first hand how Stella walked into the photo room (during the middle of the M&G) to inform Mariah of some kind of bad news. I couldn't hear exactly what she was saying to Mariah, but I noticed it made her tear up. And of course Stella ended the conversation with, "I'll take care of it." Thank goodness my picture with Mariah still turned out great, but I always thought it was so strange that Stella felt the need to tell her bad news at that moment in time. She could have waited until the M&G was over so MC could enjoy her fans who paid to meet her without any distractions. I think Stella lies to Mariah to make situations seem better than they are, but in turn manipulates her into thinking things are only good because she made it that way. (Wednesday 15 February 2017; 1:50)

Grammys (72,677) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) I see that the Grammys have been a hot topic here since yesterday while MC could have attended the show why would she? She was not asked to participate in any tributes or present anything so I didn't see the point. On another note the Grammys have never really respected MC even during her peak and with her on the outside looking in at the popular crowd nowadays I didn't see her purpose being there. Was it a missed opportunity? Not really because award shows like these are all about politics. (Wednesday 15 February 2017; 1:33)

Re: Sad to say (72,651) (72,676) by Marissa from USA I agree with you. I don't understand why so many lambs are terrified of the idea of Mariah retiring. Even on her best day, any new material that she puts out is never going to be better than anything we've heard in the past. She has set the bar too high for herself lyrically and vocally in the past for it to get that much better anyway. I would rather Mariah be retired and adored than wearing out her welcome in the public eye and losing all of her integrity like she's doing now. She's put out 14 studio albums. For anyone to feel like that's not enough to the point that they'd rather have her sell her soul and lose her dignity in hopes of a new album that will be a 7/10 at best, that is just pure greed to me. When is enough, enough? (Tuesday 14 February 2017; 23:16)

Re: Grammys (72,648) (72,675) by TJ from Norway It's not about where Alanis is today. At that point she made one h*ll of an album. It was the biggest hit of the year. I still enjoy the songs. She even recreated it acoustic ten years later (Mariah should do the same). Adele, a charismatic artist, a good voice and with really good songs, deserves her awards. Why on earth are Mariah's lambs so envious of other artists who do well? Mariah lost that year (1996/97) to an artist who was no less to Mariah and the "Daydream" album. (Tuesday 14 February 2017; 22:52)

I swear (72,674) by JAXGH from United States If Mariah lip syncs on Kimmel, I probably will be so sad for her and all lambs still fighting for her. How disastrous of a karma does she need to wake up? Please don't lip sync Mariah. Some people are still rooting for you. Please don't disappoint. I think fans deserve to see an all live performance on tv. Please just one. we haven't had one since Petals on Rosie's show in 2000. I honestly feel so sad about that. (Please correct me if you know of any all live tv performance after that.) (Tuesday 14 February 2017; 22:38)

Re: "25" (72,637) (72,672) by Andrew from UK It was a little gushy. White woman guilt over beating the black woman? "#grammyssowhite?" However, Beyoncé was absolutely amazing. The woman just has *it*. Mariah used to. Get the memberberries out. (Tuesday 14 February 2017; 21:44)

The problem with Stella (72,671) by Danny from Uk I don't necessarily think Stella is bad for Mariah personally, I get the impression that they understand or appreciate each other at a deeper level and nor do I think she's bad for Mariah professionally. However, the problem I believe lies in how she goes about that business, more so how she markets Mariah or how she leaks or allows things to leak that may generate talk or news articles but aren't good for Mariah's overall brand and I believe ultimately that is the most damaging. If Mariah wants Stella to make her money and to make it quick then great she's tour man but if she wants to continue to mould and grow her craft, artistry and legacy she can't allow Stella to continue. I don't know if Stella actively goes for it or if it's a by product of having a fame/money hungry woman in charge of a superstar. (Tuesday 14 February 2017; 21:44)

How do we solve a problem like Mariah? (72,670) by John from USA I've been asking myself this question over and over for the last several years. I agree with many of you on here. This current era we are in right now is much worse than the Glitter era. Yeah, she had the breakdown and was flopping, but at least Loverboy was a (fake) #2 hit and the general public still respected her voice for the most part. It's sad that Mariah is sorta turning into a Kardashian. She's literally almost a different person than she was in the 90s and early 00's. It's like everything changed right after TMB and E=MC2 both had great starts. Everything after TMB (with the exceptions, arguably, of Obsessed and Beautiful) has been a disaster. I think Mariah should have taken an extended break from the public eye after MIAMTEC flopped, dealt with the divorce and her shoulder, then come back late last year/early this year with a banging bod and great new music. But I feel like she'll never do that. She seems lazy and like she just doesn't care about her music career anymore. I feel like she's lost in a way. And I've been a huge fan for almost 20 years since I bought the Honey CD single. Wish to God Mariah could find her direction. I'd love another hit single or two from her. It's a sad, sad time to be a Mariah fan. (Tuesday 14 February 2017; 21:08)

Re: 26 million viewers Grammy's missed opportunity (72,650) (72,669) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada Artists don't always get to choose the shows they appear on. Even Mariah. Her last appearance on Ellen wasn't comfortable, she wouldn't play the game and didn't answer many questions directly. She publically reprimanded Ryan Seacreast for calling Mariah's World a reality show, when he was actually trying to say he was enjoying it. People are familiar with the term reality show, and that's how Mariah's World was packaged. The term docu-drama isn't what people know. I adore Mariah, I do, and I get she doesn't like the words reality show but you can't be defensive and then expect that people want you around. As others have said she likely wasn't asked to perform. (Tuesday 14 February 2017; 20:50)

Re: Along the lines of #89 (72,655) (72,668) by Matty from Vancouver Canada Here's my own order. 1. Migrate (Should have been the 2nd single from E-MC2. This is the first time I think Team-MC made a glaring screw up in single choices. It was charting and wasn't even a single.) 2. Through the Rain 3. Up Out My Face (Nicki should have been on the album version, one of my fave MC videos ever.) 4. Say Somethin' (Agreed, this amazing video deserved a better song.) 5. I Don't (I dislike the video, except the final moments of dress burning. A unique classy video could have gone a long way.) 6. Infinity (There's a serious disconnect between the bitter sour lyrics, and the celebratory nature of the instrumentation. The lyrics are so bitter, it doesn't make sense as the closing song after hearing her 18 number one songs.) 7. Oh Santa (The chant is amazing, but the intense whistle in the middle is way to disruptive and pierces the ear drums in a negative way, especially when it comes on in public at the mall or something.) 8. You're Mine Eternal (We Belong together/Don't Forget About Us/I Stay in Love rehash part 4.) (Tuesday 14 February 2017; 20:24)

Re: Glitter or current era - worst of all time (72,663) (72,667) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I couldn't bring myself to even watch Mariah's World. Not one episode. First time ever in her career. That is not Mariah. I won't ever judge her or drop her, if I thought for one moment things like "Mariah's World" were what she truly wanted deep inside, it would be different. But this stuff isn't the real her. I truly feel underneath it all she's carrying around a lot of pain. and has built up a lot of walls for protection and it's only amplifying what she hasn't dealt with. Sorry, if I sound like a therapist, not my intention, just my honest feelings. Lol. (Tuesday 14 February 2017; 19:57)

Re: Kimmel (72,664) (72,666) by RibbonB from USA Guillermo can play Mariah's part and Mariah can play YG's part. I would love to see Guillermo writhing atop a fake Rolls and burn a cheap tuille wedding frock. (Tuesday 14 February 2017; 19:12)

Re: Glitter or current era - worst of all time (72,663) (72,665) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Thing is they need to make aggressive moves to snatch back her throne but her team just sits there and waits for opportunities to come to them. But that's not going to work because her image is so bad right now that opportunities will be few. However with limited connections on Stella's part, I don't see that happening too. Also Stella is mainly influencing Mariah to do cheesy easy bucks stuff like the reality show, the biopic (which I am already thinking is a bad idea, because I've seen there creative vision with the ID video and MW) and Hallmark movies. These won't really do much for Mariah or her legacy. She's a music icon first and foremost but music seems to be the last thing in their minds right now. (Tuesday 14 February 2017; 19:01)

Re: Kimmel (72,652) (72,664) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Thank you Edward, that was so nice of you. Saw the video and it's adorable. Guillermo is awesome as always haha. (Tuesday 14 February 2017; 18:53)

Re: Glitter or current era - worst of all time (72,654) (72,663) by B from USA Stella must have enough dirt on Mariah to ruin her image to be able to get Mariah to agree to a reality show. I was hoping for an actual tour documentary I didn't even want to see her planning the commitment ceremony or flirting with B. It's a messy era that has made her a joke to the general public. She's going to have to work even harder to repair her image after the reality show and the IG stunts. She needs a new manager ASAP. (Tuesday 14 February 2017; 17:04)

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