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Re: B*tchy PTA mom (57,397) (57,405) by Lee TS from USA When I read that part the first thing I thought was Mean Moms. I think she's secretly using this role to audition for the movie haha. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 1:15)

Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,384) (57,404) by May from Denmark Hi Bino. To start I want to clarify in case of anything that I didn't bash Mariah or had a negative comment regarding her act. The video you linked is not talking about the song I mentioned btw, I simply described the very final act, how Mariah was invited to sing, she did fine, she moved back and then Aretha kept on calling to sing. If it was or not Celine's turn I cannot know, it looked more like whoever steps first. If I had to say something negative regarding some of the songs that wouldn't be against MC or Celine or any of the amazing singers of that VH1 except for Aretha herself. While a great artist (though I don't find her voice appealing to my ears) I highly dislike that she gets in the middle of others when they are singing or directly sings their part. Which is exactly something Carol mentioned on the video you linked, which I thank you because I haven't seen it before. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 1:04)

I'm going to reply (57,403) by Randy from USA I normally don't reply on this board when I say something that is easily proveable and get called names, but this time I won't be silent. Someone brought up the Divas 98 topic and said that MC held back because she had class and Celine didn't which made my blood boil, so I responded. I didn't start this topic. I'm starting to realize maybe it's a misunderstanding of culture. Among black gay men on the East coast we argue our favorite divas like guys argue over who's the best on football teams. We have YouTube viewing sessions, we argue sales, relevancy and cultural impact. There are groups on Facebook like The Legends Panel designed specifically for these debates. When there's a spades (card game) party or an awards show, many of us gather and argue. I am a Mariah fan. Have been since the beginning and when we have these debates about Whitney, Beyonce, Patti, Aretha etc. The #1 thing agreed on by others, is that MC cannot perform live. When I argue differently, I am asked for receipts. Receipts mean proof. I have seen every American live televised performance by MC period. When my friends play certain years 1998-2015 of their divas, especially Patti, Aretha and Celine I am hard pressed to find a performance by MC that wows and does not have the full voice belt notes lipped. The Glitter performances of 01 and that impromptu for the fans backstage at Jimmy Fallon are my exceptions. Did you know that there are YouTube videos that go through note for note that she lip syncs based on whether she chose the album track to pull select notes from or a prerecorded vocal that she uses for multiple performance that matches the rasp in her live voice? Probably not. I think when you are a fan sometimes it's hard to objectively hear your artist. I wish Baby and Gino could sit with me in Atlanta one afternoon and go through MC performances. I have plenty of evidence that the voice went through something post 1996 and there's been a lot of smoke and mirrors to cover it up. And the whole argument about well it's 20 years later she can't sing like she used to? Check Patti Labelle singing You'll Never Walk Alone in 1983 at Motown's 25th and then 32 years later at Divas 2004. And Patti didn't start in 2004. But I hold onto that from 1990-1996 MC was quite something and even now she can write anyone under the table. But don't go there with me about live performances. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 0:38)

Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,401) (57,402) by Giovanni from USA My point exactly. All that singing constantly. She wore out her voice. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 0:14)

Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,399) (57,401) by Tevin from USA I don't think it was the concerts but I think the constant recording music took its toll. Just think of all the songs and remixes Mariah song and re sung, then think of all the songs she song that never saw the light of day, who knows it could be in the hundreds. She didn't call her home a prison for nothing. Sing sing anyone? I think that is what took its toll on her, imagine having to sing Emotions, Fantasy and VOL, and ANTYNAF over and over again and tell me that won't put a strain on you. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 0:02)

How beautiful does Mariah look (57,400) by Giovanni from USA In that picture with Jay Z and Reid. I'm literally blown away. I've never seen it before. She looks like a Barbie. (Monday 19 October 2015; 23:37)

Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,395) (57,399) by Philipp from Switzerland I don't think she pushed herself too hard during the Daydream Tour. It was only 7 concerts, 3 in March and 4 in June. I'm not an expert, but I don't think that would be too much for her. (Monday 19 October 2015; 22:49)

Photo (57,398) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I swear if Stella's daughter wasn't in this picture I'd think it's from 2010 or 2008 even. Mariah looks gorgeous. The woman keeps getting younger. (Monday 19 October 2015; 22:12)

B*tchy PTA mom (57,397) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter So according to the article, MC will appear in the movie as a "bitchy PTA mom". I think it's going to be fun. I'd love to see what she does with it. As much as I would want Mariah to be the star of the movie, I think her decision of taking on a smaller role is good. It'll generate interest in the movie without taking away from the story. (Monday 19 October 2015; 22:10)

Re: Got my tickets (57,389) (57,396) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Edward, congrats on the tickets. But don't die though, we need you to report back on the festivities and how the concert went. (Monday 19 October 2015; 21:36)

Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,393) (57,395) by Giovanni from USA I actually prefer Mariah's voice in '97. She still sounded pretty powerful to me. People go on about how her voice isn't what it used to be. But what they don't understand is that Mariah has the most hardest songs to sing out of any female artist. She also pushed herself too hard during the "Daydream" tour. (Monday 19 October 2015; 20:52)

Poor Baby (57,394) by Giovanni from USA Still trying to shade members on the board. (Monday 19 October 2015; 20:43)

Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,383) (57,393) by Tevin from USA [...] with you. But I honestly thought her voice started to have problems during the D aydream era. I know iy sounds crazy right. There is a video on YouTube that shows that even though technically speaking Daydream was here best era there were a lot of problems with her singing such as vocal placement that in her previous era's was not a problem. Also I never can understand how you go from powerful and rich belts (95) to light and airy in (96). l think Mariah was having problems with her belting in 96, not really her range or ease with belting but more so with her power. Good example is Grammys in early 96, it was a great performance but she was straining vs OSD in later 96 during her concert lighter airier vocals not as powerful but less strained and more impressive. I think it caught up to her in 97, when both the power and the ease of belts was lacking sometimes because of vocal fatigue. But hey if it can happen to people like Sam Smith and Adele who Mariah can sing under the table. I'm not surprised if she had vocal problems to. (Monday 19 October 2015; 20:03)

Article: Exclusive first look inside Mariah Carey's Christmas movie (57,392) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End Oh Santa is getting new lyrics? Only Mariah would think to write new verses for a song that's already deliciously lyrics-heavy. I'm so excited for this project because I love when she grows and graduates like she's done with taking on directing a whole film. Who knew when she directed Fantasy in '95 that she'd be so good at it? She's a natural storyteller, some of her songs read as novel synopses and scripts. I might even do a list of them just because. I almost can't believe Mariah and Lacey Chabert had never met before this movie. Like, what kind of Elusive Chanteuse are you MC? Even Oscar winning actresses can't act cool around you, never mind introduce themselves. And Drew Lachey from 98° is involved too? So much great synergy this whole year surrounding her and counting. Team Mariah is 120% on point. Keep it up you all. (Monday 19 October 2015; 19:59)

Diva's Live 1998 (57,391) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada To this day I love those performances. It wasn't until I came online, that I became aware some people felt upset about the concert. (Monday 19 October 2015; 19:20)

The media and sexism (57,390) by Jono from USA I knew that as soon as the "inside exclusive" story came out of Mariah directing, that the usual hating media outlets would run with the story and only emphasize certain aspects. Sure enough, Showbiz 411 decided to highlight that Mariah "made a group of children and their parents wait seven hours to shoot a few minutes". Obviously we see where this is going - a continuous slandering of Mariah as some self-absorbed diva with no regards to anyone else. What this story conveniently left out is that the people waiting were extras. I've worked as an extra multiple times before on a TV show, and it is absolutely normal, in fact standard industry practice, to be waiting. You are an extra. Meaning, it's a nice word for "moving/breathing furniture". You are basically there to fill the scene so it looks natural. You are at the bottom in terms of priority. So yes, you will be made to wait until you are needed, and kept around until you are no longer needed. That is because there are a million other things the production has to worry about that is more important than a non speaking background role. Calling you out, slanderous media. Interesting too, considering the report that came out last month about how Mariah on the Game of War set was actually really professional and easy to work with, while the male execs were actually the divas. But I guess since they're men, they can't be seen as "demanding" or "bossy" and having "diva behaviors", right? In fact, look up any female entertainer and there is bound to be some story about how "difficult" they are to work with. As for men, you would have to search hard to find even a fourth of those stories. I see you, problematic media. (Monday 19 October 2015; 18:48)

Got my tickets (57,389) by Edward from USA I just got an early Christmas present, tickets to go see Mariah on December 9th. I thought I would share with you guys. If she sang "Miss You Most At Christmas Time" that night, I would die happy. (Monday 19 October 2015; 18:10)

(57,388) by LambilyMeetingPodcast from USA Hey lambs. Me, I am Martin and my co-host Dan would like to invite you to come listen to the Lambily Meeting Podcast. It's free on iTunes and Soundcloud. It's a show all about Mariah created by fans. We discuss the latest MC news, revisit favorite moments and read out listeners' mail. It's fun and interactive so please come and join in. Lambs are loving us, if you don't believe it check out our iTunes reviews. To find us just copy and paste the link or just search for Lambily Meeting in the iTunes Store or Soundcloud. We look forward to hearing from you. Martin and Dan (Lambs4Life). (Monday 19 October 2015; 17:30)

No MAS: Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,384) (57,387) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End "What's the point of attacking Mariah and a 17 year old performance? Can you not make a criticism without sarcasm, bitterness, and bitchy remarks?" Bino, I guess you're not on the We Can't Let MiMi Shine mailing list so you weren't CCed today's memo: Hate on Mariah using the VH1 Divas Live 1998 show as a segue. The subject matter changes but the rhetoric is paint by numbers. Oldest trick in the book. Notice how everybody but Mariah gets praised. And because M loves Aretha she is also attacked passive-aggressively via Patti (who has nothing at all to do with the 1998 Divas line up) a.k.a. Mariah's fairy godmother. It's desperation at its most rank. To jump through all those hoops all in the name of: Mariah ain't shit? SMDH. And for the record, Mariah has fabulous diva etiquette. Not everybody on that particular Beacon Theatre stage can say that. But it was also 17 years ago so I'm sure valuable lessons in diva decorum have between doled out to the ones who needed it since. And for the record? Mariah more than held her own that night. She was a spitfire and her spirit was on fire when it was supposed to be. She's not a showy singer, never has been or will ever be because she has innate soul. When you're as vocally skilled, melodically talented, lyrically driven, emotively soulful and instinctually respectful of the ones on whose shoulders you stand, as Mariah has always been, it's no wonder you are the chosen one who gets to duet with the queen of soul and covered by her in concert decades later. Basically, Patricia raised her right. (Monday 19 October 2015; 16:15)

Re: Mariah is bad influence (57,386) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter All of these are still better than my niece twerking to Anaconda. She's 3 years old by the way and was obsessed with the song. I'd say even though Mariah has some risque lyrics, even her raciest lyric is more tame compared to what we hear on the radio everyday nowadays. Haha. Kids nowadays are exposed to such vulgarity, it scares me really. (Monday 19 October 2015; 15:14)

Re: Is it the right time? (57,379) (57,385) by Giovanni from USA Not true at all. I know this a Mariah board but Aretha has always been threatened by Patti. And Patti slayed her with "Ain't no way". It was that night Aretha knew she'd been slayed. Her expression said it all lol. But there's no denying Patti's voice is much better, stronger and more powerful. And that range of hers is untouchable. Mariah and Patti are the best female singers of all time. (Monday 19 October 2015; 13:20)

Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,382) (57,384) by Bino from What's the point of attacking Mariah and a 17 year old performance? Can you not make a criticism without sarcasm, bitterness, and bitchy remarks? And May, that's not what happened. Watch this. (Monday 19 October 2015; 13:01)

Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,382) (57,383) by Musti from UK I always run to Mariah's rescue when her voice is concerned but I have to agree. Her voice was very strained between the Butterfly and Rainbow eras. Not just her chest either. She hardly did any whistles in any of her live performances during that time (that being said, Make It Happen at VH1 is my favourite version of the song ever). My theory is the way she sang throughout the Daydream tour. She pushed her chest voice too hard. I was embarrassed for her too while watching VH1. The two finale numbers had her literally shouting to have her voice heard. Hopefully one day we will get to hear what really happened to her voice post Daydream. (Monday 19 October 2015; 12:48)

VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,382) by Randy from USA I was mortified when Celine went up against Aretha. I was like where is MC? People always say, well MC doesn't have a gospel background and she's a studio musician so she can't "show off" live. I called pox on all of that because listen to the "Jesus" chorus at then end of Jesus What A Wonderful Child on the Christmas album. That was MC going off and I loved it. All she had to do was replicate that and the audience would have been wow'ed. But only 4 years later, when Aretha called MC out and said help me lift him, MC vocals were strained. Celine stood up next to the queen of soul and matched her note for note. I was mortified as a MC fan. But I forgot, MC didn't get enough rest the night before, her earpiece monitor wasn't working, there wasn't enough humidity in the venue, she was sick, she was a last minute addition to the show, she was nervous, she was upset, you know the usual excuses for someone that is considered one of the greatest vocalists of all time. I will excuse MC for not singing well in 2015 but not in 1998. Which again begs the question that no one has answered, what happened between that Tokyo Dome Daydream performance (her best) in 96 and that Oprah 1997 performance that caused her voice to change dramatically forever? And don't attack me folks, do your research. (Monday 19 October 2015; 12:29)

Re: Mariah is bad influence (57,374) (57,381) by May from Denmark Tell me about it. Once I was doing shuffle through Mariah's videos with my little girl who is 4 years old, she loves Mariah (also Selena Gomez and Britney Spears so oh oh poor me haha) but in the shuffling it appeared "Touch my body", generally I avoid it but we watched the video because it is fun all in all, I don't mind that Mariah is in underwear, I like to think she is being comfortable at her home haha (here in Denmark we don't find bare nipples to be scandalous, they are never censored, so you can imagine a girl in underwear is no big deal, we take it as a natural thing). My daughter loved the costumes, the games Mariah played with the guy, for her it was all innocent tag games, loved the unicorn and her dolly dress, all was fine. Until much later in the day I heard my girl singing "touch me body, lalala give me what I deserve" and I thought "No (a very long lasting no) what have I done?" It took some while before she shook off the tune from her head, sometimes she would even ask me to play it again but I couldn't. At home it's ok, I know my girl doesn't mean what she sings but outside you never know, surely isn't as bad as what I've heard some other little kids sing before. (Monday 19 October 2015; 11:31)

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