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They can try, but they can't take that away from me (48,657) by Otti from Belgium I read someone's post this week on this board, that Mariah is not the same as she once was, and she's not the same girl that wrote songs like [...] and [...]. What would you do, if people are dragging you down, the last half year at least? Are you gonna release an album? Are you gonna do a tour? Are you gonna sing on the Rockefeller Center? Do 6 Christmas shows? Then songs like [...] and [...] come to my mind. With lines like "They can try but they can't take that away from me. Try to bring me down but I refuse to fall and I can make it through the rain, I can stand up once again." These songs has now I think for Mariah more meaning than ever. (Saturday 20 December 2014; 15:14)

Beacon tonight (48,656) by Ty from USA Today is the Beacon show, the most festive eve before Christmas. Mimi will 100% turn up tonight, looking forward to seeing the lamb family in full force giving our queen the love tonight. Hugs for our lamb family. (Saturday 20 December 2014; 14:24)

Mariah's "depth" (48,655) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I don't find Mariah's early songwriting better than her current ways. In fact, as "deep" and poetic as she was back then, a lot of her material was also derided for being too schmaltzy and platitudinal. It wasn't until Daydream onwards that she really started exploring different ways to write. So to me, I see it as her having grown enough to write about more stuff in more ways, and that those different ways also happen to compete for a spot on every album she releases, resulting to less of the "deeper" stuff than usual. Cry. and Camouflage prove that she still has that "depth", but now, at least to me, she sounds more convincing because her songwriting has become more "real" in a way. It's closer to real life than it was before, because she is now more detailed and descriptive. She's more comfortable, confident, and versatile now, and can narrate more vividly than she ever did before in a more relatable way. I can relate to "I know you're here baby subconsciously, always somewhere but you're not there for me" more than "Everything fades away, nothing ever stays the same." Past Mariah was a brilliant. Present Mariah is a genius. (Saturday 20 December 2014; 10:36)

ktktkt, enwar00 and Mariah Carey showing off at the 3rd Beacon Christmas concert (48,653) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End Yes, Mariah is that chick that actually sounds better than when she hatched 12 long years ago. Not to quote myself but: Mariah's in great vocal shape and always has been. Pull out them crickets and act like you hear because at this point you have to actively want her to fail you refuse to acknowledge that fact. Don't be mad at us lambs that your bullshit arguments stink. That's what happens when your only sustenance comes from tabloids, gossipmongers, rumourmills and the Chinese whispers of fellow haters. Haters like calling us lambs delusional for standing by Mariah yet they never have anything to say when they see a video like the one you posted KT. Just watch them all ignore that marvellous tone, fluidity, agility and plain ridiculous musical genius with which she sang on the 18th at the Beacon. I'm just praying Team Mariah knows hpw to document these shows if only for her legacy. Enwar, we all know the haters' predictable and dull scripts by now. I'd be surprised if half of the so called "realists" on this board even thumb that video up. It's laughable how it is said with such certainty that Mariah Carey can't sing anymore. That she needs to seriously consider surgery because of her nodules and blah blah blah. Imagine if she ever listened to any of the noxious advice with built in negative assumptions about her? If you walk like a duck and talk like a duck? Chances are, you're a duck. Hit ducks are known to quack.. This message was brought to you by: Pink Yet Lavender. (Saturday 20 December 2014; 5:33)

Lawsuit (48,652) by Darryle from USA There's something fishy about that lawsuit against Mariah. If you weren't getting paid for your work you would have noticed it within the first month or two. Yet this lady continued to work for Mariah for 7 whole years now deciding to come forward. I think they, her and Mariah, had a falling out and now she's out to get revenge. Whatever the case may be I hope it gets sorted out soon. Mariah really doesn't need anymore on her plate. (Saturday 20 December 2014; 4:08)

12/18 show (48,651) by enwar00 from usa Wow it sounds like she fucking killed it last night. I swear every time I see clips and I'm like eh, like from the first show, and hearing all the haterade over and over, and people wanting so bad to count her out, she then sings again and amazes me. Ktktkt thanks for posting those highlights, and I love your caption. (Saturday 20 December 2014; 3:12)

Mariah Carey Christmas special 2014 third day highlight live December 18 in Beacon Theater (48,650) by ktktkt from Philippines Where are the haters? (Saturday 20 December 2014; 2:24)

Re: Nikki / positive lamb theories (48,649) by Marissa from USA When I saw the word delusional in your post it just prompted me to make sure that I got the point across that the questions that I asked weren't meant to be shady or a way to start up the delusional debate again. As far as the haters, I knew that you meant in your post. You were actually talking about people who aren't and never will be fans of Mariah. What I was talking about in my post are the lambs that dismiss other lambs on this messageboard as "haters" if they ever give constructive criticism. I just saw keywords in your post that prompted me to speak, but I wasn't trying to direct that post at you. Sorry for any confusion. I see your point about today's multimedia with the spread of negativity. It's not just journalists or gossip columnists speaking up on issues, it's everyone with a pulse. There used to be a time where you could read about something in the paper or a magazine, formulate your own opinion and move on. Now if you even watch a MC music video online and accidentally scroll down too far into the comments, your whole day could get ruined. (Saturday 20 December 2014; 2:05)

Classic Mariah (48,648) by Warrior Butterfly from USA My favorite look for Mariah in general is the Columbia years. An updated version of Mariah was her flow off the shoulder shifts while on HSN in 2011. I believe it was very fresh but sophisticated. I think she called her gypsy look. Very cute. (Saturday 20 December 2014; 2:01)

AIWFCIY Vevo certified (48,647) by Dove from USA Here is a playlist with four hours of All I Want For Christmas Is You. Open up five windows on your computer (if you want to) and play the playlists all night while you sleep. Make sure to put the playlists on repeat. (Saturday 20 December 2014; 0:56)

AIWFCIY Vevo certified (48,646) by Dove from USA You guys, right now the views are at 96,518,798. Maybe we really can (caps) get it to 100,000,000 by Christmas. (Friday 19 December 2014; 22:01)

Jon / Nikki (48,644) by Dove from USA Jon you're right society is superficial and tacky. My doctor, dentist, and car dealership all have those tabloids in the waiting rooms. What does that say about us? Sometimes I give suggestions on here but it's mostly wishful thinking; I am not going to turn my back on Mariah if she doesn't do what I want her to do. Nikki I also liked your post (48617). You're right Mariah and all the successful entertainers have always had haters. I have noticed a huge influx of support for Mariah since the Rockefeller performance on blogs, articles, social media, and videos so that makes me happy. I know tabloids are not real news and I meant to put it in quotes, Dr. Evil style, but I forgot. I just meant maybe it's good that people are still wanting to talk and know about MC. I don't expect gossipers to give respect, but what worries me about it is: sometimes that's the only side we hear. I dont think there are enough positive stories to counteract the negative ones. I try to read all of the comments on videos or stories about Mariah and, before a few weeks ago, the comments were mostly the same negative things. So it's either the same person or these people are getting their opinions from the same source. That's all I was saying. I wasn't trying to be negative and I believe Mariah's career is far from over. (Friday 19 December 2014; 21:56)

JTTW remix video (48,643) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I just love this version so much especially because I really feel we get to see Mariah the human being being silly and having fun, beyond all the other stuff that "celebrity" brings. Say what you will about the Tommy years, but the videos she put out for Merry Christmas are just so timeless. (Friday 19 December 2014; 21:54)

Being relatable (48,642) by Jon from Netherlands I understand the concept but I find it forced. None of these celebrities are relatable, no matter how much they try to be. Lorde is relatable now but if she keeps this level of sucess in 5 years when she has 3 mansions I'm pretty sure she won't be. For someone like Mariah (in her own league) it's not about relatable or down to earth (which would be fake and in a way insulting) but grateful and classy. Everything considered I think she makes a good effort (let's remember Whitney with "I'm too rich to smoke crack"). She said no to questions about other females on WWHL and I think that's great. When JLo did what she did to Mariah her answer "I don't know her" was pretty classy. Her answer in 96 to Madonna was not so classy. It's no always perfect but at least is real. When she says she loves Beyonce you know it's true. Most people under the pressure and exposed to level of sucess of Mariah would be insane. I couldn't cope. She does it wonderfully and after everything still puts on a show and smiles. It all comes from the education she got from her mother and the "believe in yourself" attitude. Not everybody has that good of an education. (Friday 19 December 2014; 21:15)

Signature song (48,641) by Jon from Netherlands Jake, you nailed it. I forgot to mention My All but it's pretty apprecited outside the "lambily". In a way Mariah as Hero and AIWFCIY as signature songs. I think both will stay around for long time. As long as there are "Idols" like shows Mariah will stay around, even 100 years from now, because her songs were built for a type of voice anyone will like to emulate. Twisterman, I think it's so interesting how songs come and go. You mention IWTKWLI but look at OSD. Biggest song ever in the States, nobody knows it now. I feel WBT is going the same way. Otti I also appreciate your posts, specially the hate the game not the player. I feel like Mariah wants less and less to play the game. After all she has more important things to do like "taking care of dem babies and singing" as she said in a recent interview. (Friday 19 December 2014; 21:01)

Thanks Jon and re: Marissa (48,640) by nikki from usa Thanks Jon, glad you liked it. Marissa, I felt I did address your questions, but I was more or less summing up specific comments made on the board over the past few months. "Delusional" wasn't a reference to your post, but plenty of people on the board have used that terminology recently. Also, "haters" wasn't a reference to this board. More like the people who can't say her name without cussing and making some derogatory comment about female sexuality or body parts. Basically, other legends were Mariah's age decades ago and multimedia didn't exist. The sheer fact Mariah has celebrities, talk show hosts, and regular posters come to her defense when she is being disrespected speaks volumes. If Aretha Franklin's shoe came off during a concert 10 years ago, it wouldn't have made CNN and Wendy Williams tv show didn't exist to dramatize. It's getting downright idiosyncratic, because there is no news anymore. If the legends of the past were at Mariah's point with Mariah today, they would be getting the same treatment. Instead, in their day, whatever negative press they received would be here today and gone tomorrow. The net didn't exist to harp on anything. (Friday 19 December 2014; 20:47)

Re: Warrior Butterfly (48,639) by Marissa from USA I loved your response and I never thought of the MC situation that way. It is refreshing to hear different perspectives. As much as I like the modern music and songwriting too, the earlier years saw more intricate and sophisticated songwriting from Mariah. It was almost unreal how advanced and sophisticated her songwriting was when she was just in her 20s. In a way, I am glad that Mariah showcased her gifted songwriting in the beginning of her career for two reasons: 1. Her songwriting matched better with her "girl next door" image back then than it does with the diva act. (I think the diva persona is part of the reason that people still can't believe that Mariah is such an excellent songwriter. Don't let Hello Kitty bathroom and Mean Girls quotes fool you lol.) And 2. we live in a generation where excellent songwriting isn't widely appreciated anymore, so if she was currently releasing songs like Petals or Vanishing only sophisticated listeners, a rare breed today, would pay any attention to them. (Friday 19 December 2014; 19:37)

Warrior Butterfly / backward-compatible (48,638) by Edward from USA Warrior Butterfly, I've always thought the exact same thing. When Mariah was in her 20's her songs had more depth, not only lyrically, but also melodically. It was as if she'd started on reverse. Songs like Looking In, Butterfly, Outside, Petals, and Mariah's Theme were insightful and introspective. Once those childhood and Tommy issues were lyrically addressed, she then allowed her inner 12 year old child out, and the little girl refused to go back in, lol. It is the same thing that happened to Alanis Morissette, she was only 20 when she released Jagged Little Pill, but as soon as she'd released her angst through her first three albums, her fans thought she had lost her edge. "MIAMTEC" is a great album, but I've often wondered what "The Art Of Letting Go" album sounded it like before it morphed into "The Elusive Chanteuse". There's not another song similar to "The Art of Letting Go" on "MIAMTEC". (Friday 19 December 2014; 16:39)

Mariah's signature song (48,637) by Jake from New Zealand What are you all talking about? It's obviously Obsessed. No but her signature song is without a doubt AIWFCIY. The only other competition is Hero, but unlike AIWFCIY, not everybody knows it. Other signature songs from her career are: WBT, Without You, My All and ABMB. Maybe Fantasy and Emotions too. (Friday 19 December 2014; 15:03)

Fans (48,636) by Otti from Belgium I love reading posts of Jon from the Netherlands and Baby from Sweden. It's like they both know what it is all about. Bringing the right facts up, sharing their feelings about being a fan, and most of all, being thankful. I want to say something about the signature song, because we are talking about MC you can bring up 2 songs, one ballad and one more up tempo. And leave AIWFCIY out. I'll Be There and Fantasy are also verry popular over here. (Friday 19 December 2014; 14:26)

Re: Questions for positive lambs (48,598) Marissa (48,635) by Warrior Butterfly from USA I think it comes down to what era Mariah was in when the fan/lamb discovered her for them self's Butterfly is a great body of work her image and state of being were in good balance. After watching a special on VH1 called One To One about Butterfly, I found her back catalog I drifting into her early work naturally, 1990-1997. The reason quality of her lyrics and music presentation over all for the alums as a whole, yes these are the WA/MC years and they were great. I've always loved hearing an artist voice there is nothing to hide. "Vanishing", "So Blessed", MIH MTV Unplugged 3:10 mark percussion and MC, "Music Box", GRYMG, "Melt Away" and "The Beautiful Ones" real talent, slow ballad type stuff, but wow. Her later material sounds very mainstream I've caught myself questioning "is that MC" because it seemed less destructive vocally as for legendary honors that seems allude her because the legends seem to accept their age and time in the industry to where Mariah appears to avoid it all together, case in point Rosemary Clooney she aged with her natural state of being and her fans were able to evolve with her. A modern comparison Michael Buble his voice and style are his take it or leave it he don't care, Mariah cares and feels very unobtainable, Michael could go out for drink after the show. Mariah's more mature material was in the beginning introspective full of feelings and narratives everyone could reach and her pop fun was later, so it like she went reverse. (Friday 19 December 2014; 14:20)

Walter Afanasieff (48,634) by Ken from USA I was reading an article on AIWFCIY and apparently Walter Afanasieff said, "It’s a shame, because we had great chemistry. My greatest dream is to work with her again. Mariah, all I want for Christmas is you." Is this true? From what I've heard about how their partnership ended, it doesn't sound like something he'd say. At all. (Friday 19 December 2014; 14:05)

Signature song (48,633) by Dennis from Miami, FL In my country many older people think that Without You is a Whitney's song. I remember many times hearing people arguing that Whitney covered it before Mariah. I consider My All her signature song, at least here. I had 3 Mariah's albums before My All. But after hearing that song on the radio I became a fan. These songs you would hear the most on the Easter European radio: My All, Without You, I Know What You Want, WBT. (Friday 19 December 2014; 13:21)

Jon (48,632) by Twisterman from Brazil Hi Jon, I think that to set a signature song is very complicated, you cited IWKWLI as the signature song here in Brazil, and really this song reigned for a long time here, but after it all that it disappeared and never heard it on the radio and people don't talk more on it (it seems MHWGO of Celine), for a long time, until just before 1998 the people in Brazil only knew Without You, but today it's diferent, but I see that for so many reasons and shows like American Idol, The Voice and others, Hero is arguably the MC signature song here in Brazil. (Friday 19 December 2014; 13:20)

Shelly / Wendy Williams (48,631) by Lee TS from USA See I actually like Mariah's and Wendy's relationship, they like to play "nasty nice" with each other but in a fun way where you can just laugh it off. You have to check out their 2003 radio interview too. In the confines of Wendy's mind, Mariah is always a two tissue watch haha. I like to think Wendy is a secret lamb who just don't know how to express her love. (Friday 19 December 2014; 10:15)

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