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The Elusive Chantour (47,171) by MCder from USA So of course blogs (esp Billboard shunning her) have received the not so good snippets of Mariah's opening night (VOL/Hero) but this can go several ways. One she may just finish the remainder of the tour dates officially announced and cancel any future ones or lip the majority of the concert. I say this because Mariah's voice is either a hit or miss. I love the way she birthed new life into WBT but as soon as she lips here comes the complaints. If she puts effort forth and crack on notes here and there more complaints come. Everyone is so focused on the 90s Mariah where she was vocally capable but 2010s Mariah can reach but not fully sustain throughout. This will only make her lose her confidence or it may make her do better but again if she attempts full live and cracks then everyone is here to criticize. To be honest it's like she can't win for losing because she is put on such a high pedalstool as a superior vocalist. I honestly feel like Mariah should do a different arrangement of the songs so it can rule in her favor. If you can't belt a certain part change it. (Monday 6 October 2014; 3:40)

Andrew (47,170) by MCLAFAN from USA Thank you Abraham. You nailed it right on the head. There are countless times Mariah has blown us away and times where she left us feeling like "What was that?" But talent is talent. Abraham, do you think she hired someone who sounds like her to record the amazing vocal filled Merry Christmas II You album from 2010 or the most recent MIAMTEC album from 2014? You weren't at the concert in Tokyo, you shouldn't judge someone who obviously can still sing circles around the competition these days. I was just at her American Idol performance taping last summer and she recorded it live and did 3 takes and they all sounded amazing. Her voice is an instrument that needs care, she could've been sick, she could've just been having a rough vocal moment, we don't know. You want to stir the pot because drama is more entertaining to some rather than the truth. I'm done. [...] (Monday 6 October 2014; 1:45)

Andrew (47,169) by G.G. from USA I agree with most of what you're saying. Unfortunately there are a lot of fans who will proclaim that anything Mariah says and does is great. Personally, I'm disgusted by their delusional lies that they continue to tell. Everything is not ok with Mariah or her career, and if you say otherwise, you're not being honest. Mariah has been going down the wrong path, career wise, for a while now and the proof is in her first week album sales and her numerous horrible live/lip synch performances. When you love someone you tell them the truth, even if it's painful and ugly. Giving someone constructive criticism is not mean. Until Mariah opens her eyes, her career will continue to nosedive. (Monday 6 October 2014; 1:37)

A fan in need is a fan indeed (47,168) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End I'm having a hard time discerning fairweather fans from regular haters. There are rumour mongers going all over the internet spreading the idea of Mariah being a drunk for God knows what reasons. Why are posters allowed to perpetuate the alcoholism rumour as if it's the truth? I remember when Shania Twain had a really hard time singing again after her divorce. Is it that farfetched to think Mariah might be going through a similar situation? I hope she makes a few stops in Europe so I can hear her sing live, I think she sounds great on the longer clips fans have put up like: Don't Explain. I can't wait to hear more audio. Mariah, please don't pay any attention to all of the blatant negativity. You have a God given gift that has blessed millions of people, myself very much included. Be happy, I love you and wish you all the best, see you soon hopefully. (Monday 6 October 2014; 1:33)

Andrew and others of his ilk (47,167) by Anthony Basco from Cardiff, Wales Excuse me, they are huge fans. Why else would they seek out a Mariah Carey fan board. How helpful do you think it is to MC to tell her every time she opens her mouth it's phenomenal? I used to because that's what I heard. And I've heard a million Hero renditions over the years as we all have. And as far as I was concerned, they didn't sound as good as 1993 Mariah but guess what? Her other vocals did. Including for other songs like Vision Of Love which is coincidentally my favourite song of all time. My second favourite song of all time is The Art Of Letting Go. I think Mariah is incredible. Andrew isn't posting these things because he hates MC, he's posting because he loves Mariah, knows she's capable of better and hates hearing her throw away 24 years with pitiful performances. You think this doesn't happen? Hardly anyone speaks about Whitney being amazing anymore, they talk about how awful she was at the end. Not because they hate her, but because people can't actually believe such incredible talent can just disappear. I love WH but to me, MC is the greatest artist ever and always will be. Please stop attacking Andrew for his opinions. And before any of you all dare attack me, read through my past posts and read this, I love Mariah Carey more than life. I only give my opinion because I know she is better than what she is showcasing. Divorce or no divorce, she has a job to do and people to impress. If she feels she can no longer do that, I respectfully ask she bows out. (Monday 6 October 2014; 1:21)

Andrew (47,166) by Abraham from USA Your post once again proves what kind of a "so called" you really are. No love or support what so over. I'm not kissing Mariah's ass. I'm doing what any real fan should do, which is continuing to believe in her. I have ears and can clearly hear that Mariah's voice isn't in a good place right now. But it doesn't mean it"s gone. It's people like you who's thoughts and opinions aren't needed. I think you're probably the most negative and annoying person here on the messageboard. But it's okay, you're not going to bring me down and take away the hope I have. Mariah will find herself and get her voice back. (Monday 6 October 2014; 0:46)

Andrew (47,165) by LC from USA I am disgusted by what you just said. It is disgusting. Once again, I ask you and all the other "lambs", who do you think you are? You treat Mariah like you are entitled to her and her voice, like it's your voice that is in Mariah's throat. Like it's your legacy that she is allegedly tarnishing. You list all these things you want her to do, all the things you wish she was doing, as if she is some sort of robot or slave that is supposed to do what you want in order for you to like her again. And yet you call her embarrassing? You call the woman who, despite this personal turmoil, not to mention all the criticism she's getting from the media and now, with "fans" like you, still went on tour, still released this album for her fans, and still tries her best to do what fans want, as seen with her changed set list, embarrassing? You're embarrassing. That you'd put your own false, unwarranted pride over Mariah's personal troubles is the embarrassment. You don't own her, you are not entitled to her and she does not have to prove anything to you or anyone else. You are a fan. I am a fan. We are all fans. We support. And if you're done supporting, or you think she can't sing, leave the fan base. By all means. Just please stop with this disrespect. (Monday 6 October 2014; 0:42)

Lyric / rearrange (47,164) by Marcus from Brazil Lyric, Mariah's songs are really difficult to sing, even songs that sound easy on the voice turn to be a struggle for many. I agree she should produce future projects with less complexities, but people wouldn't forgive her if she takes the highlights moments off songs from the old catalog. Mariah is known for her voice. As long as Madonna can move around a stage, she'll be fine. As long as Mariah can carry a tune, she'll be fine too. Barbra is 70 years old, and yet she doesn't sing as she used to, she has manage to be consistent. Sometimes I wonder whether Mariah has decided to ignore the condition of her voice. I don't really think Trey or anybody on her team has the guts to tell her: "Mariah, you didn't sound well" or "What happened". We are definitely witnessing what happened to Whitney, and it is painful to see two the greatest voices ever go down like that. (Monday 6 October 2014; 0:29)

Open up your eyes and go (47,163) by Andrew from UK Lyric is right: the talk mumble thing to avoid notes is cringeworthy. What's the point? Are we not left with a singer who can't actually sing the melody of a song, who can't hold or resonate a note? Somebody tell me why almost everyone has abandoned her and is no longer interested in her career? I can't stress enough that these fans who say "she's only got yes people around her" (because nothing's ever her fault) then go on to tell her she's great and pretend nothing's wrong. Isn't this ironic? Basically, you want her ass off that chaise longue? You're gonna have to tell her. You all scream it and she may listen. If she doesn't, she's over. And does anyone now really believe any of the studio vocals for MIAMTEC? Honestly the audio for that concert is the most cringeworthy thing to listen to. The fans audibly singing were hitting notes she wasn't (or the notes she was just ignoring). Put it like this: if you paid a lot of money to go see, I dunno, Mamma Mia or Phantom etc., would you tolerate half the performances being lipped from the CD and the other half badly sing with intermittent mumbling when it's about to get a little technical? No. I don't want 90's Mariah back, I just want a proper artist. If the rats are running one way, the ship is probably going down. (Monday 6 October 2014; 0:27)

Ps (47,162) by Anthony Basco from Cardiff, Wales Nobody here is complaining about number ones. I think none of us give a shit about that. We just want MC to sound as she does on her record like she used to. And if she visits this board and feels hurt, I'm sorry, I don't want to hurt her, ever. She means the world to me. In fact, I'd love of she read these messages as they're intended. Either sort out your vocals and if you can't, tell us, tell the world. Then your legacy can be saved. But this pretending and acting like everything is as it always was is ruining her. Nothing else is. Just pretending. She has/had an incredible voice, no pretending required. If you can't do it anymore, just tell the world. And if she can do it and just chooses not to, well, I have no problem saying to her "stop now, nonchalance is killing your career". I love her so much. That's what I want you to all get in your heads, and if MC reads this I want her to know I love her more than life. And these comments are meant to help, not cause distress. (Monday 6 October 2014; 0:19)

Re: Andrew (47,161) by Billy from Greece You say, "I want her to write relatable universal songs so that everybody can relate to them." So basically you want her to be a blank canvas with no distinct personal traits, to sing songs that are abstract enough so that people of all diverse backgrounds (racial, ethnic, religious, sexual etc) can find at least something to identify with and the buy her music. Good job. That's what all major record companies want from an artist. But if that's you want, maybe Leona Lewis' "Spirit" is the kind of music you should gravitate towards, you know, faceless bland songs carried by a good singer nonetheless. Sorry if I should aggressive, but Mariah is all about personality in her songs and that's what sets her apart from singing yet another faceless pop ballad. I'll take the brilliance and complexity of "Cry." anytime over a 'universal' song. No more "Heal the World" for me. And by the way, "Me. I Am Mariah" is full of hooks and immediate melodies. And again, not being ironic, but maybe Mariah is not the artist for you (and many other here, irrespectively of voice issues). Clearly she's doing nothing of what you wish she would do, even artistically speaking. Then, I don't get it, why spend time on her? I'm confused. (Monday 6 October 2014; 0:18)

Vocal issues (47,160) by Jeremey Carey from United States I just saw Mariah's performance in Japan and man, it wasn't too good, but it could've been worse. I honestly think she had a cold, because her voice was so good in Australia last year and her power was there. I don't know how that can disappear in a year, but then again she may have pushed herself too hard in the studio while finishing up. Her whisper voice was extremely thin and worse than her performance of GMA. Most of her belts were non-existent and I think that she really tried her best, but I really pray that this isn't permanent. However I will pay my last dime to go see her because I love her regardless and I prefer her live vocals over the prerecorded tracks any day. It shows she's actually trying. I think she probably noticed how she sounded and is probably doing everything she can to improve for the next show. Plus she is going through a lot right now. Please everyone remember to keep the queen in your prayers either way. (Monday 6 October 2014; 0:17)

Mean? (47,159) by Anthony Basco from Cardiff, Wales I'm more than slightly irritated by this. Telling someone it's spectacular when it isn't is much more "mean" as far as I'm concerned than telling someone you love that they can do better. Acceptance of mediocrity is not "kindness". It is selfish. If you can blindly stand aside, play these songs in her current voice and sell them as incredible to your friends, that's not only dishonest but a kick in the gut to what MC was and is about. I believe in her and always have. I have supported every decision and decried every derision but I feel now enough is enough. Mariah is a premiere vocalist, if a premiere vocalist can no longer deliver honestly, she steps down gracefully and let's others do their thing. I love Mariah. I love Mariah. I can't say it enough. How dare anyone tell me I don't. I have and still love this woman until the day she dies. This is not her best, this is not what her voice has become. She can still sing exactly like she was 18 of she chooses to but she has become complacent. Those truly faithful to her will tell her "Whatever happens, whatever you're going through, you have a job to do, and you're amazing at it, now shine." That's what happens in my job. Am I a famous singer? No. So I'll never understand the intricacies of famous life. But I know a job is a job. And if you're no longer good at it, you mentor. See footballers. Don't call me mean. I love this woman. But if she can't give the best, I'd rather see her not give anything. (Monday 6 October 2014; 0:12)

Deep down inside you're so cold (47,158) by Bill from the UK I really hope that Mariah never reads any of these messages, because if she did, it would be heart breaking. She does so much for her fans, and for her to read some of these comments would be devastating for her. It's like some people think she is a robot, programmed to produce #1 records and hit high notes. If that doesn't happen, then bad, bad robot. Mariah is a person, a beautiful person who has given every single one of us on this board joy over her 24 years of singing. She is going through a divorce. The woman who said after her first marriage ended that she'd never marry again, and never bring children into the world, married again and had children because she found her soul mate. And now that's ended. Can you imagine how distraught she must be, that her children are left to be brought up just as she had been? Yet here she is, touring and singing live to please her fans, and yet you sit here and have the gall to criticise and tear down this poor woman? Honestly, where are your hearts and where is your compassion? She's turned to "her saving grace" during an extremely difficult time in her life. The one thing that's always pulled her through tough times since she was a little girl, and here you all are, ripping her to pieces. Poor Mariah. I love her. I always have, and always will. She is more to me than someone to just churn out hits and reach high notes. To others here, maybe not. I will always love and support her, and I'm proud to. (Sunday 5 October 2014; 23:53)

Deja vu (47,157) by Lyric from USA I think fans have a reason for concern. Why? Because everyone witnessed the very public vocal decline of Whitney Houston, who was touring and delivering bad vocals before her passing. Her legacy was tainted, fans were disappointed and the media was less than kind. None of us want Mariah to go down that path, with terrible vocals being the last thing people remember. I want her legacy to stay in tact. I don't understand why her team won't just rearrange her challenging songs, perhaps lower the key or change melodies so Mariah's current voice could be better suited for the material. It's obvious that belting and high notes are a struggle for her so the songs need to be arranged around her new vocal state. That talk-mumbling she does to cover up a high note she can't hit is just embarrassing. People can make all the excuses they want but the fact is that people paid for this tour and they deserve their money's worth. (Sunday 5 October 2014; 23:52)

The only negative fans are the ones too fragile to speak the truth (47,156) by Andrew from UK I'm really negative about Mariah at the moment because her decisions for the past four years have been shocking, disappointing, offensive. But this is completely irrespective. "Stick with her?" I love her for what she has been in my life. But she can't sing anymore. Anthony was spot on with "amateur karaoke". I would love her to prove me wrong. But then I want her to not drink so much and look after her vocal cords, I want her to not airbrush everything and to lose weight If she wants to look thin, I want her to record songs in a register she can actually sing in now, I want her to put on shows that don't involve a chaise longue and standing next to trey Lorenz, I want her to not make her only PR doing embarrassing things like wearing a dress into a subway for a photo, I want her to write relatable universal songs do that everybody can relate to them and not have to pity Mariah's feelings or have to 'really know he in order to comprehend, I want her songs to not be so heavily produced that they lose all hook and simplicity. I want her to be an artist I can respect. I totally agree with Anthony's comments about being "mortified". I can't hold my head up high and scream about her like I used to. She's embarrassing. And it's her fault. So tell her like it is or keep kissing her ass and watch her fail. It's only getting worse. Perhaps it's time to bow out and not damage the legend. It's happening. (Sunday 5 October 2014; 23:44)

Tokoyo (47,155) by Otti from Belgium I just saw on YouTube some snips from her concert in Tokoyo, and what I've seen was not bad at all. It was at least live, no lipsnych or autotune. Some parts were even flawless and some were bad and that's normal if you sing live and have a career of almost 25 years. I'm verry proud of Mariah that she had the courage to take the stage at this point of her life. Being in a divorce with two kids is not easy. I have to say that she looks gorgeous. And guys don't forget Mariah her songs are f*cking hard to sing, even for her. Jetlag, lack of sleep, stress, kids makes singing harder. Her voice is not to compare with any other female singer. She can't hide behind autotune or dance music like Gaga or Katy. (Sunday 5 October 2014; 23:24)

Bill, concert dvds (47,154) by PJW from The U.K. Yeah, I know they're all dubbed, but that doesn't make it any more acceptable. (Sunday 5 October 2014; 23:18)

Old news (47,153) by Alex from England Her voice not being the same as it used to is old news. Did she give her best performance last night? Nope. The worst? Everyone's entitled to their opinion. But I am tired of people pretending it comes as a complete shock. Mariah's voice is touch and go, the woman can still sing and yet sometimes she just can't control her voice at all. We all know that. The thing that I can't stand is how terribly mean some fans are. Mariah is a real person, with emotions and a brain. And she probably was the first to know that her voice started deteriorating. Don't you think that she knows she sounds different to years ago? Sure, I miss the impeccable live vocals, I really do. And yet, I can only feel for her, she actually goes out and sings in front of the world to judge and slam her. I've always wondered how it affects her emotionally. She's a perfectionist and her not being able to hit certain notes on a whim must be mentally hard to accept. I'll just finish by saying that Mariah is a human being, and as a supporter, I respect her. If you don't want to go see her show, that's perfectly fine but please, next time she has a hit or she gives a great performance, don't come back saying "I knew she could do it, Mariah is back, blah blah blah." I consider Mariah more than just a singer, she has affected my life in many ways and I am grateful for the way she touched me. Therefore, I'll always have tremendous respect for her, however good or bad her vocals are. (Sunday 5 October 2014; 23:09)

The music business is still a business (47,152) by Lee from UK I like how a lot of you here assume Mariah has a choice in whether she completes this tour or not. If it is part of her contract, which I am assuming it must be, then she's not getting out of it just because she is going through a separation. She has to make good on her contract just like the rest of us who get paid to do a job for which we signed a contract. It has been many a year since I have had actual arguments on this message board and even though I visit here often, I don't regularly post. But if some of you want to "go in" on me (as Abraham so eloquently put it) for my thoughts and opinions, I am all up for that. Bring it on. (Sunday 5 October 2014; 23:01)

Loyalty (47,151) by Anthony Basco from Cardiff, Wales Is different to having an opinion on an event happening right now. If I get absolutely drunk and make a fool of myself, will my friends be a bit pissed at me? Absolutely. If they are true friends, will that destroy or even slightly damage our relationship? Absolutely not. The same here. Regarding MC's current vocal state, I think it's just not good. I am not rich. Why would I pay to see my idol basically single-handedly destroy her legacy? Let's have some perspective. If a non lamb but someone who has always loved MC's music went to a show now, they would think it was less than stellar and tell all their friends she is a phoney. Which she is not. We're all here because we know MC is the real deal with the best voice of all time. But currently that is not what is on display. Overall, if you asked me how I feel and think of MC, I would happily and easily tell anyone that I think she is the greatest vocalist and one of the greatest song writers of all time. But I cannot say that what I've heard from the show was good when it was not. I love Mariah, I believe in Mariah, and I believe she can get back to where she was vocally. But obviously something is amiss. And pretending that everything is incredible when it is not is not kind or supportive. It's the same as letting your friend go out wearing something hideous and doesn't suit them just to not hurt their feelings. I know the lines are blurred because she's famous but c'mon. Based solely on latest performances, it's bad. (Sunday 5 October 2014; 21:52)

Andrew / Lc (47,150) by Abraham from USA Was your post supposed to be funny? Because I'm not laughing. Matter of fact, it made disgusted. All of your posts have been negative about Mariah. LC, I agree. I was planning on going in on some people. But hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But it's like some have given up and want to abandon Mariah. As a fan, you're supposed to support and stick with your artist through the good and bad. Mariah is going through a lot right now. It's bad enough the media and other nasty people bash and put her down. The last thing she needs is her fans to do the same. It's nice to see some people like you and a few others who are continuing to be fans. Mariah you're looking gorgeous. Hang in there, stay strong and don't let any negativity bring you down and keep you from doing what you want to do in life. You're a music legend who has an enormous talent. Just get some rest, a vocal coach and get your voice back to where it was. Some of us still believe in you. "Make it happen." (Sunday 5 October 2014; 21:36)

Team (47,149) by G.G. from USA In the video interview from Australia that was recently posted, Mariah talked about having the "right team around her". I completely agree. She needs a strong team around her to help her get back to the place she once was. She can't do everything herself. When she tries to do everything herself, well, we see the results and they're not good. I'm not ashamed of telling the truth. I would be ashamed of myself if I was the one helping to perpetuate lies and delusion. (Sunday 5 October 2014; 21:26)

Mariah's shortcomings? (47,148) by Jay from USA I wonder why people are so upset about Mariah's voice. She hasn't had a perfect vocal performance in a long time. Why are people still bringing it up and, even worse, comparing her to other singers. I've been a fan of hers since the early 90's, I remember her perfomances then. And I am grateful that I was able to watch them then and remember them still. I still appreciate her and her talent. We need to stop speculating what her issues are and either just accept her as she is or move on and find someone else to admire. Nothing we say on this forum or anywhere else will change her or her situation. We can't assume we know what goes on in her life, because we only get glimpses of what she wants us to see. She may not sing like she used to but at least she's not horrible. If we are not careful we'll turn her into another Michael Jackson, just a caricature of herself. (Sunday 5 October 2014; 21:25)

Re Christopher (47,147) by G.G. from USA When you said "her fan base seems to enable the delusion more than help the cause", you hit the nail on the head. Mariah has surrounded herself with "yes" men far too long and there is no one around her telling her the truth. I will always love Mariah, but she is ruining her legacy by doing subpar shows. Back in the day she could get away with not dancing and minimal to no stage production going on around her because she had that beautiful mesmerizing voice. Now, she needs lots of dancers, pyrotechnics, videos playing on the big screen etc, to help cover up the fact that she doesn't have that voice anymore. Look at Cher. Cher isn't a great singer, but you leave her concert feeling fully entertained because she puts on one hell of a show. Mariah needs that now, she needs major stage production, and she needs to retire that tired, played out chez lounge that she lays on. (Sunday 5 October 2014; 21:22)

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