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Streaming (44,609) by Lamb_O_Chop from Australia I'm convinced Mariah doesn't/didn't care about this album not doing well. Why else would she stream it for a whole week prior to its release. She practically gave the album away. If I'm not mistaking the album is still streaming. So in reality only the real fans will go out and support the album for the sake of supporting Mariah. However, the general public won't buy an album that they could listen to free of charge. Mistake? It depends on what Mariah was expecting. Maybe she just wanted it to be a gift to the fans and garner critical acclaim or maybe she thought streaming the album would make ppl want to buy it after hearing the masterpiece it truly is. Your guess is as good as mine. (Tuesday 10 June 2014; 14:56)

Letting go ain't easy (44,608) by Alexis from USA I know you're mad, but Mariah condoms sound epic. Aside from that, Tina Turner was one of a generation's most powerful voices. But what was she doing when I was little? Promoting pantyhose. Prince's new music video barely has him in it. Cher waited 12 years to release an album in 2013. If not for me living in Vegas, I'd have no idea what Celine Dion is up to. Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston are dead. You can be amazing and not be the most popular artist all the time - it happens. Maybe she's helping herself remember that she no longer lives in that dominion where it was all about being number one and breaking records. Maybe she's just about her kids and she did mention on some interviews wanting this to be a statement record in case it was her last album. 24 years is a long time and if she wants to pump her brakes and stop being the machine we know she can be, is that the end of the world? (Tuesday 10 June 2014; 14:22)

Just my thoughts (44,607) by Adam from US I agree with post 44,601. I do think sales are not all of it. But they go hand in hand. I want Mariah to sell millions and have #1's because I'm a fan and I believe she deserves it. I really love this album and I'm completely upset it's not doing better. And I'm upset at the lack of promotion. I love that Mariah gave us this album, but there's not anything wrong with wanting her to hit #1 either. I just don't really understand what's going on. I don't know why the label or Mariah didn't release a single before releasing the album. To get the hype going. And I don't think they shipped many copies. My local Walmart had 8. And then I bought 2. I went back the other day and 1 was left. Target had 2 stacks and I bought 2 Target Editions and there's 1 left a couple days ago and 4 regular left. A huge music store in Charlotte only had 7 left the week of release. But at all of these places, there was no and I mean none promotion at all. No signs. No posters. Nothing. Even at Walmart there's a place upfront where new music is at and Mariah wasn't there. Miranda Lambert is all over it this week. Something just isn't right. I have now bought 7 copies all on separate receipts. I just don't know. I'm annoyed. (Tuesday 10 June 2014; 14:10)

Webmaster (44,606) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom I agree, which is partly why I have been radio silent on the issue of lack of promotion in recent days. The way I see it is, if Mariah can't be bothered to promote her record, or give fans some memorable performances (ie not dubbed or lipped), then I'm certainly not going to be bothered. If Mariah thinks that promoting some ridiculous beverage is in touch with what her fans want, then she's clearly out of touch and needs a serious reality check. Either that, or she's showing what's really important to her, which is the dollar sign. I can't tell you how disappointing it is to see someone, who says they seriously love their craft, fail to show it any due support or recognition. 57,000 copies on an album in her first week in the US shows how much her fan base has deteriorated. I can guarantee you that those 57,000 copies represent probably only around 35-40k fans, as a lot of them will have bought multiple copies. Perhaps if she took live performances more seriously, as opposed to attending events to do with a brand of water or whatever, she's a) have more than 40,000 US fans left, and b) had a voice worth hearing live in tact. (Tuesday 10 June 2014; 13:45)

Mariah: Business Woman vs Artist (44,605) by Taylor from USA I believe that at this point, we have Mariah the Business Woman instead of Mariah the Artist. That's not a criticism, but my honest assessment. With the latest launch of the beverage product, which is utterly confusing since there's been very minimal promotion for the album, we can perhaps conclude that Mariah has shifted her professional priorities. Music may still be her personal priority, but it has taken a back seat because from a business standpoint it no longer is lucrative. Unfortunately, that appears to be the reality because it has always been about business even if Mariah was originally an artist instead of a business woman. A part of me is slightly resentful because as a fan from the very beginning, others like myself have supported and launched Mariah the Artist, so for her to be so silent and not acknowledge our frustration seems like we are no longer appreciated. (Tuesday 10 June 2014; 13:41)

MIAM (44,604) by Billy from England, UK Didn't Mariah say this album is for her fans/lambs so maybe she's not bothered about it charting or who is buying it as long as her lambs have new music to listen to, I don't know? To me that's how I feel what she has done, because as you know she isn't bothering promoting the album which is a shame. (Tuesday 10 June 2014; 13:37)

I can't believe what I'm seeing (44,603) by PJW from The U.K. Mariah is out promoting a drink in a pink bottle called Butterfly, sipping it out of a champagne flute. She's even more out of rich (I meant to say touch but spell check put rich and it was so appropriate to this mess that it's staying) than I thought. Mariah; 1. You've halved your market and consumer appeal with the name and colour. 2. Drinking something marketed to the masses out of a champagne flute is bad, bad marketing. I had to re read three times just to double check this isn't alcoholic. As if non fans are going to bother reading at all. People perceive things by initial presentation and this isn't a good one. 3. You've got an album out. No one is buying that, let alone your drink. All the while J. D. Is telling lambs on twitter "enough is enough". Look, I understand what lambs can be like but starting on the fans is shooting yourself whilst you're already down. If you ask me, sing sing is burning down all over again. (Tuesday 10 June 2014; 13:37)

Webmaster (44,602) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I completely agree with you (except for the merchandise part because I bought many lol). I care about Mariah but I am not stupid. People are saying that they are fine with just making music and don't care about sales. well first of all no label would want to sign her up and if her sales keep on falling like this I am sure Mariah herself will just not make any more albums because well what's in it for her? Her legendary image getting tarnished more? Her sales have taken a plunge by the second week, and some are saying that oh come on there is still time. Well we hoped the same for YME but it dropped off the face of the earth by the second week. And I would like to ask the fans bashing others saying that Mariah is not promoting her album because she may have personal problems and people are being selfish for wanting a good chart position, what exactly do you have to say now that she is out and about promoting a beverage and not an album she spent 5 years on? (Tuesday 10 June 2014; 12:43)

Promotion (44,601) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands Me. I Am Mariah... is dropping all over the world. In the USA it will sell less than 15,000 in the second week, and likely it will drop to number 16. And what is Mariah doing? She is promoting a beverage. What the fuck? I'm not disappointed, I'm furious. Some of you will say that sales are not important, only the quality of the songs. But if her last album will sell less than 100,000, do you think record companies are waiting in line to contract her? Of course not. That means this could be her last album ever, not because she doesn't want to release more albums, but because no record company wants to release her albums. I'm a fan of Mariah the singer, and I hate all the perfumes, shoes, jewelry, beverages etc she promotes. I never bought any of that and I never will. What's next? Condoms? (Tuesday 10 June 2014; 11:48)

Nick Cannon (44,600) by Chicago Lamb from USA Faded and Camouflage are about Nick. The only happy love song on the album is about Roc and Roe. Mariah has always written her songs from a personal perspective. ll this "I want the listener to apply it to their lives" is b.s. (Tuesday 10 June 2014; 4:48)

From number 3 to number 16 (44,599) by Anonymous from I feel so sorry for Mariah, she made a really good album but she hired the wrong person as her manager and now we all see the results. It's funny that she's promoting that Butterfly bottle instead of her album. Whatever, it's her problem. Sometimes we need lessons to learn. (Tuesday 10 June 2014; 3:48)

On the verge of something great I'm sure (44,598) by IheartMC from USA I am loving the new album and have been a fan since the beginning. I am sure what Mariah is doing, because of the lack of label backing, is trying to see what songs are hits with the fans/public to finally promote with the right hit single. Also they are probably trying to use the money gained for the album to promote the album. Because let's be honest she hasn't had a hit this go-round. So how else can she be promoted without anything popping off from the album yet. Def hope everything starts to pick up. Just trying to spin things more positvely considering the sales figures although we cannot complain, our girl gave us a great album. Here is hoping for the best because a life without Mariah Carey is an empty one lol. (Tuesday 10 June 2014; 3:27)

Chill guys (44,597) by Zachary from Croatia I am reading all your posts about her losing and waiting like now and lack of promo and some kind of poor sales (she debuted the third damn it) and that she has to get in shape and you all bitching about singles and the right ones and festive freaking videos. My head will explode. [...] Chill guys. I buy an album because of the whole story on it, not the singles or videos or that she has to punch back to this young "singers" or etc. It's Mariah guys. She is it. She is happening. Always. And then some. (Tuesday 10 June 2014; 1:08)

Me. I am Mariah album (44,596) by Robby from Norway We are so blessed to hear yet another great masterpiece from our dear Mariah. I am in love with this album and I listen to this album more than one hundred times already and yet I still crave for it. It is such a great album but sadly sales are not that great. When technology upgraded, so as the capacity of people to pirate. I am so sad about this whole piracy thing but what can we do? Mariah made so much sales long before Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus or Beyonce were known. I would love to see Mariah break The Beatles with the most number ones but if it will not happen, so what? She gave music to my ears and no matter what, "She will [...], never a [...]." Mariah will always be Mariah. A legend. (Tuesday 10 June 2014; 0:30)

Daydream 327 / thoughts (44,595) by clueey23 from USA Thank you for your post. This messageboard can be draining at times with the negativity. But I agree with your post and a few others that are speaking more in the vein of artistry instead of sales figures and hit singles. I've stated it before but, I love this album. The only thing that I can ask of MC is to continue to do her and grow. (Monday 9 June 2014; 21:17)

Really? (44,594) by Daydream327 from USA I feel everyone on this board should be a "positive" fan right now. There is no reason to be negative about anything or criticize for that matter. Mariah gave us yet another amazing masterpiece. Shouldn't we all just be grateful and appreciative for that alone? isn't the music the reason we all fell in love with her to begin with? I understand fans want this album to be a huge success because it deserves to be but if it doesn't why does that even matter? How many times have Mariah said this album was strictly for the fans? Some of you act as if this album's success is somehow benefitting you personally. Mariah doesn't owe us anything but still she continues to share her gift with us year after year. And this is how we repay her? By bringing up her weight and saying she's lazy and you call yourself a lamb? Wow. You have no idea what Mariah may be going through behind the scenes. Some of you are so concerned with promotion/album sales rather than her well-being/emotional state. Maybe there are some underlying issues we aren't aware of that may be preventing her from promoting this album, because you know Mariah is human too, incase you forgot. Idc what anyone says Mariah has nothing left to prove. She can't be on top forever it happens to every artist at some point but 14 albums and 24 years in the game and the fact that she's still releasing great quality music is all that matters but apparently some fans are blind to that fact and think she's a striving new artist. (Monday 9 June 2014; 20:51)

5 things (44,593) by George Golden from UK There are a lot of things I feel are holding Mariah back. 1. If you want to be compared to the Beatles and Elvis, you have to be universal. I'm not saying RNB is not universal, it's just that she is restricting herself to hip hop. This new album is great but the single choices have put people off. 2. Meteorite is like no other song she has ever done. Why not release it now with a festive video? Promote the hell out of it. It's a banger. It's the summer and it's the world cup. Why not make it feel an unofficial tournament anthem? 3. Image, image, image. If Mariah can change her image both dress sence and stage presence, she would be more appreciated. 4. Please be done with the rap collabos, it's frustrating at this point. Your voice was meant to stand alone. 5. With this album you still show you are the best female artist ever. (Monday 9 June 2014; 20:04)

Streaming and sales (44,592) by G.G. from USA I think that the free album streaming for an entire week before the album was available for purchase was a bad idea. I bought mine, but as someone else said, why buy it when you can get it for free? There are a lot of people out there that won't buy it if they can just get a free copy online. I still can't believe that with all the streaming combined with actual sales that the album only sold 57k. (Monday 9 June 2014; 17:44)

Lyrics (44,591) by Gilbert from USA Someone here posted that they bought a German CD with a lyrics insert. By any chance for this person who posted this, could you tell me if she posted her verses that she sings towards the end of Thirsty. I still can't figure out certain lines that she is singing. (Monday 9 June 2014; 17:23)

This epic flop could be a blessing in disguise (44,590) by John from USA The only somewhat logical explanation I can come up with in witnessing this horrible mess of an era is that Mariah simply wants off of Def Jam. The only thing that doesn't add up is that she clearly worked hard on a great album. But then, I think about why would she take 5 years, and then use Memoirs songs to fill up the rest of the album? She must have worked on more music over the last 5 years? I feel like something is wrong in camp Mariah. I'm not sure if it's her personal life or relationship with the label, but something is up. I completely accept the fact that Mariah can't be on top forever, just the way Katy and Rihanna won't always be "can do no wrong" artists after their prime. But even despite the lack of promo, for an artist of Mariah's caliber, these sales are extremely disastrous. I'm totally fine with her distancing herself from this project or trying to resurrect it with a single. If Mariah wants to have a late-career revival like Cher, I hope she's learned her lesson from this. Mariah is still clearly capable of making fantastic music. All she needs to do with be with the correct label, and make sure all ducks are in a row before the album drops (promo lined up, music videos, get in E=MC2 shape, etc.). She also needs to tone down her diva image, and start dressing younger and be more relatable. She hasn't been like that since CM or TEOM. If Mariah wants more success, she can get it. I hope her stubbornness doesn't end her career. (Monday 9 June 2014; 17:11)

MIAMTEC (44,589) by B from USA I still think letting the public hear the album with the streaming deal was a smart decision. This album deserves to be heard. YDKWTD and MILG should be sent to urban and aldut contemporary radio stations simultaneously. (Monday 9 June 2014; 14:29)

MIAM review / ungrateful lambs (44,588) by Daydream327 from USA I absolutely love this album. By far Mariah's best effort since The Emancipation. It's basically everything I wanted MOAIA to be. It gives me a little bit of every Mariah era from 1990 - present. My favorites are "Cry", "Make It Look Good" and "Supernatural". I really don't skip any songs other than the singles. I'm very proud of this album. Mariah really delivered. It was a long 5 years but I'm very much satisfied with the finished product. Now as far as the sales go, I wasn't surprised at all and to be quite honest I didn't care. I was a bit disappointed in the single choices after hearing the album, but hey what's new? Lol. All I cared about was the music and Mariah came through with some of her best and most personal material. It's sad that some of you are so obsessed with "commercial" success that you don't truly appreciate the quality and the fact that Mariah put her heart and soul in this album for us. some fans are so ungrateful. You would think only the haters would be so negative about the sales/chart position of this album. Do you all even care about her well-being or is it all about sales and #1's with you? Have you actually listened closely to some of the lyrics on this album? Do you take in consideration that Mariah is human like us? Did you all not watch the NBC special with Matt? Wow. I just didn't expect this kind of talk from her own fans. The album is here, and you'll still find something to complain about. (Monday 9 June 2014; 11:07)

UK album position (44,587) by PJW from The U.K. Yeah, well, I've seen one a2 poster for it in a doorway on a back street. And I live right in the very centre of London. I'm surprised it did as well as it did. There are alot of people here who love her but, as many have said already, they have no idea she even released anything. (Monday 9 June 2014; 9:17)

Me. I am tired (44,585) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Okay, everyone should just down a vial of chill pills and just hush for a while. "Positive" fans, let's try not to be all up in arms whenever someone tries to criticize Mariah. It's fine, as long as it doesn't cross the line of outright bashing/trolling. "Objective" fans, let's try not go into so much detail or use such an authoritative tone when discussing topics that can be quite touchy. And both parties, let's not take everything too seriously and get too defensive when our opinions are challenged/disagreed with. Despite a right called freedom of speech and a thing called healthy discussion, this still is a fan site - if you're a casual visitor like me, I can say for all of us who check in once a while that it's disheartening coming to a site where everyone seems to be attacking and piling on each other (which I admit I've done once and now regret). We have to realize that not all fans have the same tolerance for that. Of course most of these arguments aren't serious, but they thicken the atmosphere on what is supposed to be a positive or at the very least, neutral environment. Thing is, on sites like these, despite the presence of punctuations and emoticons, it's hard to convey tone in our messages. We should therefore take everything we read with a grain of salt. The webmaster has been generous enough to maintain this site for so long, open enough to accept every fan, and lenient enough to allow difference of opinion. Let's respect that, Mariah, and each other as well. (Monday 9 June 2014; 7:23)

Tony - "It's a Wrap" lyrics (44,584) by Manny from U.S. Tony I think you have part of the lyrics confused. It's not apprehensive. The lyrics go "I was oh so acquiescent but I learned my lesson." Just wanted to clarify. BTW. Like many of you I'm confused about the promotion. The WMA and the Matt Lauer were good platforms for the promotion. This album should be promoted and given a bigger chance because it's a real good album. I liked it more than Memoirs and E=MC2 from the first time I heard it. The whole album has a new sound and vibe. Mariah was really creative in putting this together. (Monday 9 June 2014; 6:13)

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