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Re: Trash (96,043) (96,045) by MusicfanJ from Germany "Maybe Celine reminds her of her mother?" Haha, yes that could be. Oh my. (Friday 9 October 2020; 15:38)

Re: Trash (96,039) (96,044) by MusicfanJ from Germany "But Celine sang equally as well as Aretha because she's a rude white woman and *that* makes the book. Trash/" I haven't read this chapter yet, but it's indeed annoying if Celine Dion is criticized that way. She was always nice to Mariah. Nobody is usually listening to music because of an ethnicity. A good voice is a good voice. Are we living in the 50ies? Of course it's all a matter of taste with music but to say Celine was doing wrong at the concert is ridiculous. That concert was great, every singer did her best. (Friday 9 October 2020; 15:33)

Re: Trash (96,039) (96,043) by T from USA Well at least it puts to rest all the fans wanting a Mariah/Celine duet. It was never going to happen anyway as Celine would murder Mariah in the vocal department these days. Mariah could write and produce a track for Celine however. It's never going to happen, I think Mariah was secretly jealous of Celine since they were label mates during the heyday. Maybe Celine reminds her of her mother? A white woman who can actually sing. Maybe Celine reminds her of the half she doesn't like? (Friday 9 October 2020; 15:08)

Re: Swan song (96,026) (96,042) by BFF from United States I'm relatively new here, Randy, but I relate to what you are saying. I was not impressed by the book, and it made me lose respect for Mariah. She seems unable and/or unwilling to reflect upon her life in an objective and self-aware manner. I feel horrible about the things she experienced during her childhood and during her time with Tommy, but she's clearly editing things out that contradict the self image she wants to project to the public. I posted before about reading Mariah's book and comparing it to Jewel's memoir "Never Broken". Jewel had an arguably more difficult upbringing than Mariah - physically abusive parent, estranged mother, poverty in Alaska - but is far more capable of objective self reflection. And the quality of the writing was so much better. I agree with what you said about Celine Dion at Divas Live 1998. That special was not an Aretha tribute, and Celine was simply up there having fun. I was really miffed by Mariah's judgmental attitude towards her father's gravitation towards the Unitarian Universalist church. He probably liked the UU congregation for the same reason that many people do - it was probably a more forward-thinking faith than one he was raised in and allows room for doubt and skepticism. And I just do not understand the sudden change in her attitude towards her mother. It doesn't make sense to me. And to publicize all of this now when her mother is in her 80s? (Friday 9 October 2020; 14:53)

Re: One Night (96,036) (96,041) by Andrew from the United Kingdom One Night is fun and off the hook. Now I know most people here like to wallow in misery listening to Slipping Away and OHOMO but have a few splashes and cheer up. One Night has a great beat, a great melody and is fun. Cheer up. (Friday 9 October 2020; 14:14)

Re: Swan song (96,026) (96,040) by Andrew from the United Kingdom The memoir is a self-promotional tool. Don't read it as proper historical fact and it is enjoyable. Read it looking for an honest, unbiased retelling of events and you'll be left bitterly disappointed. (Friday 9 October 2020; 14:10)

Trash (96,039) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I have to agree in part with Randy. I only just finished the audiobook as I decided to take my time with it. There's almost a whole chapter dedicated to stabbing Celine Dion in the back? This is low. Aretha Franklin invited Celine Dion to sing with her. Why is this relevant to Mariah's story? It is a pathetic retelling of events that does not quite fit the facts. Didn't Celine Dion not contact Mariah later, when she was trying to get pregnant, offering her valuable advice? Has anyone ever heard Celine badmiuth Mariah or aby other artist, in fact? This pointless chapter is written with Mariah's pen dipped in the bitch ink. She mentions a couple of times that Celine singing off against Aretha was a "cultural" mistake. Make no mistake, Mariah is referring to the colour of Celine's skin (the whole book is obsessed with signalling that Mariah is black). The entire retelling of the event is not truthful and now she's made it racist. Nice one, Mariah. And therein now lies the problem of the entire memoir. This memoir is Mariah's truth. Fine. But as Randy rightly points out, Mariah's truth has always been the one that fits what story she needs to sell at that time. I now doubt the events as retold in the rest of the book. Diana Ross is lovely and they giggled over dresses. No mention that Ms Ross was reportedly a bitch on set, told Mariah how not to sing and then refused to let VH1 release the show on CD and VHS to make money for music education. But Celine sang equally as well as Aretha because she's a rude white woman and *that* makes the book. Trash. (Friday 9 October 2020; 14:07)

Re: Swan song (96,026) (96,038) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I'm sad to see you go. I wish you all the best Randy. (Friday 9 October 2020; 12:42)

Re: Swan song (96,026) (96,037) by Bill from the UK This is heartbreaking, but it is understandable. I'm sure many of us here feel similar or can relate to some of your points. Wishing you all the best in your journey. Keep dreaming Randy. That is your right. (Friday 9 October 2020; 11:06)

Re: One Night (96,033) (96,036) by Bill from the UK Yes, something about One Night doesn't quite gel. It's good, but it just seems a bit odd. The intro is amazing, up there with You Don't Know What To Do and You're So Cold etc. The intro would have worked as just an Interlude I think. (Friday 9 October 2020; 11:03)

Re: One Night (96,033) (96,035) by Terna from Nigeria Exactly how I felt it comes across as disjointed like two songs merged together that don't work. I skip it every time too. Maybe I would just edit the vocal intro using "Audacity" and delete the rest because I like that part. Haha. (Friday 9 October 2020; 10:42)

Re: Swan song (96,026) (96,034) by Edward from USA Wow Randy. I can't help but feel a sense of loss. You've been part of this dysfunctional family for a long long time, and I'm sad to see you go. (Friday 9 October 2020; 03:05)

Re: One Night (96,013) (96,033) by Stacey from USA Ahhhh, thank you. I've had the CD in my car. I played One Night a few times today, and while I like it better after a few listens, it still gets the skip treatment. The songs but I am sounds disjointed. It starts off one way then transitions to something else, all the while the parts don't mix. Quite honestly, if the whole song was the mid-uptempo part, I'd like it more. *shrugs* (Friday 9 October 2020; 00:53)

Vote Mariah on Billboard's latest poll (96,032) by T from USA They're asking who should do SNL after a spot has opened up. (Friday 9 October 2020; 00:53)

Re: Swan song (96,026) (96,031) by RibbonB from USA Mariah maintained a close relationship with the nephews because Pat had custody of them. Interviews exist of Allison complaining about them taking Michael. Pat probably raised Shawn and since Mimi bought her a house she had access to the older boys. It seems Mimi tried to have a relationship with the mom but after years of disappointment, she let go, at least she vows to always take care of her. I'm glad she didn't waste her book on the many pieces of crap like clown, why open herself up to their virulent verbal abuse again? (Friday 9 October 2020; 00:33)

Re: Swan song (96,026) (96,030) by T from USA Much of what you write is not wrong. She is different, she has changed but most people do over the course of thirty years. I wouldn't mind if she only releases one more studio album and then spends the rest of her career on legacy things. I've always had the sense that Mariah's story shifted a bit. I remember one time she was on the Rosie Show and Rosie had remembered her as a small kid because they grew up in the same neighbourhood and it felt like Mariah suddenly went terrified that perhaps Rosie would say something that would contradict her backstory. But I'm sure it was the awful upbringing that led to all the inconsistencies and insecurities. I mean, look at her other two siblings. #Beautiful was a great song. In my opinion Caution was a great album but it was not equivalent to anything from her peak. Had it been it would've charged higher and reached a large audience. The Rarities was just a way to make money on songs that were already done and just sitting there. No touring this year so she had to get creative. (Thursday 8 October 2020; 23:29)

New York Times best seller (96,029) by Terna from Nigeria A big congratulations to Mariah Carey, I'm not surprised at all, I knew it would make it to the top. Mariah Carey - singer, songwriter, music producer, actress, director and now author. Wow. (Thursday 8 October 2020; 20:44)

Keep EP’s coming (96,028) by T from USA I really hope she continues all year with the EP's and that we get some special treats for the Caution week eventually. As being her most critically acclaimed album I do hope there is one more spotlight put on it this year. (Thursday 8 October 2020; 20:20)

Re: Rainbow EPs (96,024) (96,027) by Bobby A from United States MC keeps giving us some amazing gifts. I am just hoping she switches up with the Charmbracelet EPs by blessing us with leftover tracks like Yours ft. Justin Timberlake and Reaching For The Sky. A bonus would be to release an audio of the Charmbracelet World Tour. (Thursday 8 October 2020; 19:59)

Swan song (96,026) by Randy from USA I have been a MC fan since the beginning. I was 10 years old when her debut album came out and I remember my father telling me shut the hell up as I belted out the last 30 seconds of Vision of Love. I had no idea of the intense pressure she was under from Tommy, her mother, her sister and her brother. I had no idea of the meanness that her childhood contained. The closest glimpse I got into all of that was when she would say in an interview many years later, I wouldn't write my life story because it's so screwed up no one would believe it. Well she has. And I am a bit disappointed. I probably should've followed Andrew's lead and not watched her promotional rounds, but after seeing that revealing interview on Oprah, I was excited for the book. That interview served, to me, as proof that this book would not be the vanity project that I prematurely predicted it would be. For me, that interview discussed the only things in the book that I didn't know. That was the reveal. Everything else was information that I knew. See I am a fan who has seen every American television interview she has ever done. Because of this, the book raised more questions than answers for me. How did she and the nephews maintain a close relationship although her relationship with their parents are strained? Who and where is Allison's husband now? What about Morgan's wife? What was the final break between the siblings? Why include Patricia on MCIIU after that incident at the government medal ceremony? Why did you not mention Walter Afanasieff at all or your falling out? He was your co-writer and you have relegated him to a pianist that you sang fully completed songs to. If that was the case then he wouldn't have co-writer status he would just be a musical director. Why has your voice changed? Why didn't you speak more about you and Nick's breakup? If your dalliance with Eminem was so insignificant, why write two songs about him and make a video parodying him? Why have your lawyers pressure him to not share the voicemails you left on his phone? Another thing that bothered me immensely was the Glitter retelling. See I was deep in lamb mode then and watched every interview she did around Charmbracelet and what I realize now was that she lied about what really happened in every television interview to protect Patricia. So how sacred is your relationship to the fans if we are the only real love you have ever known and you lie to us continuously when it serves you to do so? And look. I don't want to blame MC for doing so. It is an incredibly difficult thing to deal with a mother who's love you want and yet treats you terribly. I think as a fan what bothers me is everything seems so disingenuous now. And then what she wrote about Divas galled me. Firstly, Divas 98 was never a tribute to Aretha because they never said that it was. They didn't start that tribute shit until 2000. Aretha got her own Divas tribute from VH1 in 2001. Secondly, if you watch the whole 14 minute performance of Testimony, Aretha physically asked them to come on with her, if they would be so bold. Celine was the only one whose voice could match Aretha's. Mariah's voice was in tatters and she was embarrassed. Look at when Mariah tries to sing Jesus. That incident was not Celine grandstanding. Celine who still speaks very little English only understood what was going on at a literal level and she went in. Aretha was not embarrassed at all because she matched Celine note for note. What's my point? I feel that just like Mariah, I have changed. I am not the same boy I was in 1990 who hung on to every note. The funny thing is as long as MC had a helping hand in guiding her albums, I liked them. I think she is the Lamborghini of artists but she will always need a driver. Her last two albums without co-executive producers are my least favorite. Which brings me to The Rarities. There is not one song on the disc I love. But when I hear you all talk about how Out Here On My Own brings you to tears or that the original Loverboy was better than the released one, I can't relate. The critics love The Rarities, MIAMTEC and Caution. You all love all three albums as well. I don't think any of them are even close to Butterfly, Daydream, Music Box and Rainbow. So where does all of that leave me? Maybe I am in love with the nostalgia. And like a relic of the past I have decided to bow out gracefully. It's not just because of the book or any one thing. I have been feeling like I don't understand MC anymore since Triumphant. And while you all agreed with me that Triumphant, Infinity and I Don't were garbage, yall embraced MIAMTEC and Caution as quality work that sits amongst her best. I don't understand yall anymore than I do MC. I probably should've left with the fans that left after MOAIA but I held on thinking that we would get another Butterfly. We won't. That woman does not exist anymore. I love MC enough to hold onto the memories but not pressure her into making music that I like. I hate that Tommy had her locked up physically and my expectations were a lock-up of sorts as well. It breaks my heart that she felt that because she had success, she shouldn't have happiness. That is every human being's right. What is alarming me a bit right now is the MC I fell in love with never existed. Or maybe I fell in love with the pieces that enclosed a hollow formation. At any rate, it's time I take my leave from being a "real fan" and will treasure everything she gave us before 2012. I will not follow this board or criticize her anymore. I will not buy another MC album until I've heard it in its entirety first. I will not follow her press unless it coincidentally crosses my path. At 40 years old, it was kind of time for me to spend my time on my writing and repairing so much of my broken life anyway. I want to thank Eric for being so patient and open in allowing dissenting voices. Andrew for being a friend to me through some dark times off this board and everyone else I used to laugh with. Just know that I am somewhere out there listening to and believing that I have a right to dream there's more than this for me. God bless you all. (Thursday 8 October 2020; 19:09)

Now a bestselling author (96,025) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Seeing Mariah thrive in such a bleak year for everyone is just amazing. MC30 is already a huge success and we seem to be just halfway through it, and it's not even the holidays yet. The Rainbow EP songs are now on YouTube (at least in my country as of this writing). If you count down the remaining studio albums she may release EPs for every week (assuming she's saving the Christmas EPs for December), she will possibly be releasing the Caution EPs by the last week of November, which may mean she could be releasing the EPs for MC and MCIIY in December. Of course that's a lot of ifs but hey, nobody ever thought we would have a rollout this great this year either, so it would be hard to rule any possibility out at this point. I'm just so happy for her and the Lambily as well. (Thursday 8 October 2020; 18:47)

Rainbow EPs (96,024) by Bill from the UK The Rainbow EPs will be arriving this Friday. Rejoice. I need to dig out my original post and see what makes the cut and what doesn't. Heartbreaker 1. Remix 2. No Rap Version 3. Love Hangover Version 4. Junior's Club Mix 5. Junior's Dub Mix 6. Junior's Hard Mix Thank God I Found You 1. Make It Last Remix 2. Make It Last Remix Edit 3. Make It Last Remix w/o Rap 4. Make It Last Remix Instrumental 5. Celebratory Mix 6. StarGate Radio Edit Great news - twisty top picture sleeve rather than braided hair and hat picture sleeve. Can't Take That Away 1. Radio Edit 2. Morales Club Mix Edit 3. Morales Club Mix 4. Morales Revival Triumphant Mix 5. Morales Instrumental This is using the (much better) pink sleeve rather than the "garden of Eden" sleeve. Against All Odds 1. Westlife Version 2. Mariah Only 3. Pound Boys Radio Edit 4. Pound Boys Main Mix 5. Pound Boys Deep Dub 6. Pound Boys Dub I'll do my usual full analysis over the weekend. Betcha can't wait. (Thursday 8 October 2020; 18:16)

TMOMC New York Times best selling author (96,023) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Congratulations to Mariah, Ms. Davis, and all of us who have supported Mariah during this time and making this incredible moment happen for her. This is just another achievement to add to Mariah's already decorated career, and resume. Mariah is now a best selling singer, songwriter, producer and now she is a best selling author. (Thursday 8 October 2020; 17:21)

Re: TMOMC - #1 New York Times best seller (96,021) (96,022) by MusicfanJ from Germany Congratulations MC. This makes me happy. It's so deserverd for the intimate memoir she's sharing. I have to read the book slowly, because I have to translate unknown vocabulary but I love to read every chapter of the book. It makes me admire her even more. (Thursday 8 October 2020; 14:25)

Re: TMOMC - #1 New York Times best seller (96,020) (96,021) by John john from UK Congratulations on yet another #1 Mimi. I'm only a few chapters in and enjoying it. Tried very hard to stay away from spoilers and Instagram. * fav song so far from new album is - Do you think of me (Thursday 8 October 2020; 13:41)

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