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Re: What More Can I Give? (94,299) (94,306) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "And here we go again with the moral blabla by a privileged, white, English man. Must be great to sit up in your ivory tower." By referring to my race to dismiss my opinion you are a racist. If you do not think yourself one I can assure you that the law and anyone with a reasoned mind would disagree. You also assume my nationality of which you are mistaken. I am not an Englishman. I could take offense, as you would probably demand everyone do as a hobby, but I am not precious and you do not matter, so I will not. "So if you don't understand this, Andrew, inform yourself and don't just again spurt out your opinions that can be very hurtful and inappropriate and blame those who have no other means of expressing their rage." Reading a liberal leftwing journalist is not tantamount to being "informed". I have lived my adult life in Greenwich and Woolwich in South East London which is multi-ethnic and diverse and I studied antidiscrimination law in university (a university degree I worked two jobs to pay for). Tour approach is simply to paint anyone who doesn't agree with your way of thinking a certain way. Your arguments are easy to dismiss. I do not believe that rage is expressed by somebody putting on a mask and running through the smashed window of a GAP and running home with the latest fashionwear. I believe that many people use genuine protests to commit crimes that they long to commit anyway. This is all counter-productive as it tends to remove sympathy for those protesting the actual injustice. "[W]hile you will never know what a black person goes through." You do not have to have a particular characteristic to recognise injustice. Even the suggestion of that is laughable and idiotic as well as the idea that all black people lead insufferable lives and all white people have it easy. I know white people who don't have a pot to piss in, and I know and know of black, Asian and minority ethnic people who have great wealth and nice lives. Your blanket approach is basic and simply not founded in any reality but serves only to let you to live a life of easy sanctimony. "And if you have nothing constructive to say, please, for once, shut up." Nothing you have said here is constructive. In fact, it seems that you have issues with people of a certain race, nationality and sexual orientation. It is quite typical of a left wing libertarian to make the argument so basic as to lose any semblance of the possibility of rational conclusion, and then to enact the very same disgraceful behaviour they would claim to detest upon those who try to reach a rational conclusion that relies upon detail and thought. That a man is intentionally and unlawfully killed by a police officer is morally distressing. That this unlawful killing should be fuelled by hatred of one or many immutable characteristics such as skin colour is even more morally outrageous. Justice must be served and the police officer, having been arrested for this crime, will likely spend the rest of his life behind bars in solitary confinement for his own protection. There is clearly a problem with disproportionate suffering of police brutality in the US between people of different races which has many contributing factors and requires deep multi-varied analyses. That people wish to protest this and highlight it is a moral good. But change, I fear, will not be quick, and people cannot keep burning down the communities in which they and others live. Lawlessness cannot prevail. Thus, those who are assaulting police officers, committing arson, causing damage, breaking and entering, and stealing for their own gain are committing crimes and must, themselves, be brought to justice. Burning down businesses endangers lives and costs people their livelihoods leading to unemployment, homelessness and destitution. I feel no sympathy for the person at home trying on the latest fashionwear or watching the latest television freshly looted whilst employees look on wondering how they are going to put food on the table, firefighters risk their lives to protect people, police officers who have done no wrong are assaulted and brave people use their time on the front lines of the protests trying to highlight to their government a need for a genuine proactive and results-laden approach. (Thursday 4 June 2020; 15:38)

Re: What More Can I Give? (94,297) (94,305) by Edouard from France What Andrew said, especially his choice of words, is pure indecency. Thank you webmaster for allowing my message. And yet, how come such blatant insensitivity is permitted on this board? I don't understand. Don't wish to. (Thursday 4 June 2020; 15:32)

Re: What More Can I Give? (94,303) (94,304) by Todd from Melbourne, Australia Damn. I thought I'd just get some requests for the mp3 to be emailed. I'll just pop those worms back into this here can. But also, murder should cause more outrage than looting. (Thursday 4 June 2020; 14:04)

Re: What More Can I Give? (94,299) (94,303) by Tijl from Belgium Sadly the current administration is exploiting the current situation for their right-winged agenda with a lot of help from their media connections. Shifting the focus from why people are so angry and volatile by simply degrading and portraying them as trash. This once happened on a big scale decades ago in Europe and we all know how that ended. (Thursday 4 June 2020; 10:30)

Re: What More Can I Give? (94,299) (94,302) by Anonymous from Thank you Manuel, I learnt a lot from what you had to say. I'm now going to do some research, especially about the trans black woman/riots. (Thursday 4 June 2020; 10:30)

Re: What More Can I Give? (94,284) (94,301) by Anonymous from In Andrew's defence I don't think he was trying to cause upset, he clearly knows the murder of George Floyd is a crime and a travesty. Everyone doesn't know the ins and out of things, and sometimes we have to share information to highlight a different perspective. I'm not about dragging someone's down for their views, challenging and giving insight is more conservative. I was conscious about sharing my original post in fear of causing upset and looking stupid. Please don't make this about bashing each other, especially over such a sensitive subject. Let's make this about learning from one another, for people to share respectfully. (Thursday 4 June 2020; 10:26)

Re: What More Can I Give? (94,291) (94,300) by Ma from Germany Great post Jade. Exactly my sentiments. (Thursday 4 June 2020; 07:51)

Re: What More Can I Give? (94,284) (94,299) by Ma from Germany And here we go again with the moral blabla by a privileged, white, English man. Must be great to sit up in your ivory tower, having seen through "those people and communities", having exposed their "true colors" and their "lawless behavior" and not trying to understand why this might be the last resort some people have. Here's an excerpt from an article. As part of the coverage of the protests, news stations aired videos and images of protestors vandalizing storefronts. In Minneapolis, the Target on Lake Street - the location closest to where George Floyd was killed - was battered. In Los Angeles, the high-end shops of Rodeo Drive saw broken windows. In New York City, fireworks went off near Chanel and other designer boutiques. Upon seeing those images, the conversation shifted for many Americans. They turned away from what the protestors were fighting for and toward questions about what the future would hold for glossy corporate storefronts, high-end shopping centers, and the concept of retail therapy - they valued property over human lives. Property damage during protests, though, isn't done without reason, and the destruction of these businesses comes from a place of pain and mourning and, yes, anger. This is part of the nature of protests, including the 1991 Rodney King riots in Los Angeles, and the Stonewall Inn riots in 1969, which famously started after a brick was thrown through a window. When a business is destroyed during a protest, it tears down the wall between "us vs. them", showing how property belonging to "them" - wealthier, usually white people - is just an illusion that can easily be shattered. Or as MLK jr would say: A riot is the language of the unheard. So if you don't understand this, Andrew, inform yourself and don't just again spurt out your opinions that can be very hurtful and inappropriate and blame those who have no other means of expressing their rage, while you will never know what a black person goes through. Of course some people take advantage of this and it is out of the question that this is bad. But sadly a lot of the conversation is now turning into "oh no, they're destroying our favorite shops", so please don't add to that discourse. And if you have nothing constructive to say, please, for once, shut up. And remember that it was rioting and looting during the Stonewall riots by black transwomen that is enabling you to live your happy little gay London life. So take several seats. (Thursday 4 June 2020; 07:49)

Re: What More Can I Give? (94,284) (94,298) by Steven Berning from USA Wait, does Andrew work for Showbiz 411 and Drew Brees? (Thursday 4 June 2020; 07:32)

Re: What More Can I Give? (94,284) (94,297) by Edouard from France There is something seriously wrong with you man. (Thursday 4 June 2020; 04:22)

Blood Orange / Insecure (94,296) by RibbonB from USA Last Sunday's episode of Insecure closed with a cool retro sounding Blood Orange song, Out of Her League, I think it's titled. Such a nice little bop. I so want to hear a Mariah song featured on that show. (Thursday 4 June 2020; 04:04)

Re: Ribbon and Licia (94,293) (94,295) by RibbonB from USA Too far Bill. (Thursday 4 June 2020; 04:00)

Re: Ribbon and Licia (94,290) (94,294) by RibbonB from USA Lots of delulu's edit Wikipedia though tbf. I bet Mimi skips over all of it in her much ballyhooed forthcoming memoirs. (Thursday 4 June 2020; 03:55)

Re: Ribbon and Licia (94,290) (94,293) by Bill from the UK Let's not forget Mariah's one hand now has twenty five fingers on it. (Wednesday 3 June 2020; 22:01)

Re: Ribbon and Licia (94,290) (94,292) by Licia from USA Lmao *slides under my desk*. (Wednesday 3 June 2020; 21:35)

Re: What More Can I Give? (94,284) (94,291) by Anonymous from Disclaimer- I'm not the most articulate on here nor do I consider myself to be political. I speak from the heart. I hear you Andy, it's a disgrace that riots resort to looting, however targeting black people and killing them has to stop. Theirs rioting and then theirs looting. To me, what's worse is that the spotlight seems to shine brighter on the looting, rather then the real issue, that people are still being murdered everyday due to the colour of their skin. To top it off, injustice is the usual outcome. Call me wrong but if my husband, dad, or grandad for example were murdered due to the colour of their skin, and justice wasn't served, I would expect/want an uproar, especially when cries for change have gone unheard, time and time again. I'm not saying this is the case right now, although I really hope it is, but when Dr Martin Luther King was murdered, 110 cities in America started rioting, causing $47M in damage. On the 6th day of the riots, the Civil Rights Act 1968 was passed. As I touched on earlier, I don't agree with looting but sometimes it's the last resort due to the build up of sheer anger and frustration. It's a shame that buildings can have have greater worth and respect then a black mans life. Burning buildings are a concern to me yes, but human life is more. I guess for some people, they are outright opportunists, again I don't agree with this. But, some people have the view that why should they care for the law when the law doesn't care for them. People shouldn't have to live in fear of losing life due to skin tone. For black men especially, this can be a daily occurrence, particularly when the police are concerned. George Floyd did not deserve to go the way that he did, nor did the countless brothers before him, especially by people who are suppose to serve and protect. I can't believe that in 2020, one of my biggest fears for my unborn child, is how they could be treated due to the colour of their skin. Please don't get me wrong, I don't condone any form of mistreatment or inequalities of others, and yes all lives matters. But right now, black lives matters, the injustice and unfair treatment is blatant and is too hard to ignore, nor can we kid ourselves that it isn't that bad, it really is. PS I wanted to share my thoughts with everyone, not just you so please don’t think I’m singling you out. That was not my intention (Wednesday 3 June 2020; 21:02)

Ribbon and Licia (94,290) by Edward from USA You two are ridiculous. When the person who has been cheated on is a "so called criminal", the cheater is justified. And besides, there's no evidence Mariah broke her rule of having only slept with five men or less. So, it's technically not cheating. I found that in Wikipedia too. (Wednesday 3 June 2020; 19:09)

Re: Producers / this_is_qhm (94,285) (94,289) by Edward from USA Oh my, that's a fresh idea nobody has ever mentioned here before. Pure genius. (Wednesday 3 June 2020; 18:57)

Re: Ultimate disrespect (94,280) (94,288) by Licia from USA Lmao Robert-Anthony hush. J/k. Glad I could provide some sort of comic relief. 2020 has definitely been a sh*t show. (Wednesday 3 June 2020; 17:37)

Re: Producers / this_is_qhm (94,285) (94,287) by Bill from the UK Best me to it. (Wednesday 3 June 2020; 17:06)

Re: Ultimate disrespect (94,280) (94,286) by RibbonB from USA Hilarious. (Wednesday 3 June 2020; 16:24)

Re: Producers / this_is_qhm (94,283) (94,285) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Like Bruno Mars and The Smeezingtons? (Wednesday 3 June 2020; 15:14)

Re: What More Can I Give? (94,274) (94,284) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Perhaps it could be renamed "What More Can I Loot?" in honour of all those people and communities who have shown their true colours by using a tragedy to steal and generally act lawlessly under a banner of supposed protest. (Wednesday 3 June 2020; 15:11)

Re: Producers / this_is_qhm (94,277) (94,283) by B from USA Caution was definitely a step in the right direction. She desperately needed to work with new collaborators (writers and producers), and I hope she continues to work with new collaborators on her next album. I also still listen to Caution daily. (Wednesday 3 June 2020; 14:33)

Re: Ultimate disrespect (94,273) (94,282) by Susana from USA I'd like to read that prenup if anyone has a link to it. (Wednesday 3 June 2020; 06:08)

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