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Re: Did Mariah have an affair? (94,032) (94,036) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I may be the sole fan in this but I have never cared who what song may be about. When people argue over whether a certain song was about Luis or about Tommy, for example, I cringe. Why care? I want Mariah to write songs that are universal, that everyone can identify with, and thus, be popular. She used to write confident, universal lyrics (now arguably a lot less mature). Underneath The Stars may just be about something she did, but it is a pretty generic story about childhood adventure using non-specific detail. "Dreamlover come rescue me" is about as generic pop as it gets. To try to associate that with something in reality is quite bizarre. And if actually it was about her not being happy with Tommy - I don't wanna know about it. Who would? Why attach horrible memories to good songs? I like Mariah's music and I like her voice. Some people get really way too involved in her and her life. (Friday 8 May 2020; 11:48)

Re: CB tour (94,033) (94,035) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I think my point has been sufficiently made. (Friday 8 May 2020; 11:38)

Re: Did Mariah have an affair? (94,029) (94,034) by RibbonB from USA She probably did, but only she can say when. But writing from experience doesn't mean each or any song is factual to her life. She has often said her songs are hyperbolic, and written to be as universal as possible and she also has multiple co writers who bring their own vibe and experience to each song. (Friday 8 May 2020; 00:08)

Re: CB tour (94,031) (94,033) by Bill from the UK Green doesn't suit you Andy. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 21:56)

Re: Did Mariah have an affair? (94,029) (94,032) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa You beat me to it. I was just thinking yesterday that I needed to make a post about Mariah and her love history. My thought is different though. I was listening to Lullaby also yesterday (I listen to this song everyday though, it's possibly my number 1) and was just thinking about all the songs she has about this certain person. I then thought about the WBT video. Here's my hunch: I think she was in a real love with someone before she met Tommy. He promised her everything that she ever wanted. The lifestyle, family, career, fame, all of it. She chose it all over her actual love. When her marriage started to show it's true colors, she got nostalgic (Crybaby anyone?). I feel like this is all completely unresolved. This is why she keeps coming back to this theme on all her albums. Maybe the guy got jealous of her spending time with Tommy getting her debut together and he ended it or gave her an ultimatum, who knows? I feel like this played out in Glitter a bit too. This would also make sense as to why she has only "been with" a handful of men. Idk if she would even dare bring any of this up into her memoir, and maybe the guy has since passed away (Candy Bling) but I would love to know about who she was with pre-Tommy. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 21:17)

Re: CB tour (94,027) (94,031) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "I can't tell you how many times I have played the YouTube videos. Praise the Lord for the bootleggers of old." Please post links to the "bootleg" videos of the London show of the Daydream tour. I would certainly love to see them as I am sure would others here. "And also, the concert was filmed. There were tripods set up at the front with cameras on them and photographers present." There are certainly cameras for the video screens in the arenas to show what's happening on stage for the people in the cheap seats (or as we can now call them, the not-daylight-robbery-of-the-poor-by-the-rich seats). "Every concert by big artists is filmed and recorded for posterity." Please provide your sources for this. "But you can try Andrew, but you can't take that away from me." I am not trying to, William. I'm trying to tell you to keep it to yourself now. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 20:45)

Butterfly track-by-track interview (94,030) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Haven't seen this in a while. You know, just Mariah on a chaise lounge. She's at her interview best when talking about her creative process, despite how "over it" she looks and sounds, it's the one topic she can discuss quite well. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 19:50)

Did Mariah have an affair? (94,029) by Bill from the UK There seems to be a discrepancy between Mariah's divorce from Tommy (1998), their separation (1997), and her liaisons with gentleman callers at the time. So the question is, 1) do I really wanna trust this feeling 2) do I wanna let it pass me by. Oops, tangent, sorry. The question is, did Mariah have an affair whilst she was still married to Tommy? The song Lullaby is quite revealing when it speaks about "that night on the roof" and kissing "under the sky". A reference to The Roof clearly, and possibly Fourth of July/Underneath the Stars. And those songs were likely written and recorded in 1996 in order to have found their way onto a 1997 album. Pre-separation as far as the public are aware. I do often feel Mariah's songs have deeper, more personal meanings that she may let on. She's a songwriter, and most will write from experience. The whole Daydream album eludes to either a past love that no longer exists, or longing to be loved. Mariah said she felt like her life at that time was as if she was in a daydream. Even as far back as Music Box. Dreamlover, come and rescue me. From what? A marriage you felt obliged to head into? Just to hold you once again. Who? He wasn't a lover, nor a friend. She would give her all to have him there. The same all she would give years later on the Butterfly album? Was she the perfect figurine trapped in the music box that was allowed out every so often to sing a pretty tune, or was it just "a cool title" as she said. Bring on the memoirs. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 19:34)

Loverboy (94,028) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway I actually love "Loverboy" but I can't get over how slutty and trashy Mariah wanted to be. I became a fan during "Butterfly", so this was her third album after. When I see "Loverboy" now, I can't help but laugh, it's so trashy. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 19:28)

Re: CB tour (94,026) (94,027) by Bill from the UK I can't tell you how many times I have played the YouTube videos. Praise the Lord for the bootleggers of old. I hope MC releases the entire concert series for Daydream's anniversary one of these days. But you can try Andrew, but you can't take that away from me (inaudible mumbling and humming in the background). And also, the concert was filmed. There were tripods set up at the front with cameras on them and photographers present. Every concert by big artists is filmed and recorded for posterity. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 19:17)

Re: CB tour (94,025) (94,026) by Andrew from the United Kingdom That is not the best vocal she ever gave and the concert was never filmed. That you enjoyed it is good. But it was one hour of singing 25 years ago. You need to go to some more shows, dear, so you have something else to talk about. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 16:53)

Re: CB tour (94,024) (94,025) by Bill from the UK Y'all are just jealous that I was at the best concert she ever gave. Never will she sing like that ever again. And I was in that room. And like a fine wine the memories only get better with age. No thanks, I'll never trade that experience. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 16:13)

Re: CB tour (94,023) (94,024) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Ha, I did try going to the Emancipation signing in London but I had to give up when the ambulance arrived and took me to hospital. I did stand outside her hotel at 2am waiting for her to come back, and when the car came, she woke up and came over to speak to the ten of us. I always regretted missing that signing, though. Although I could have given her meningitis and she might have died. Probably for the best, eh. (And these young queens who've followed Mariah since MIAM tell me they're the real lambs.) Anyway, Eric, I think your story is *way* better than seeing Mariah at a distance on stage 25 years ago for an hour and a half. Much, much better. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 13:39)

Re: CB tour (94,021) (94,023) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands I think going to a record signing in Amsterdam, seeing her face to face and touching her, tops both your experiences. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 13:29)

Re: CB tour (94,012) (94,022) by TJ from Norway I wanted to go on that show, but I was a poor student at the time. I guess you had the time of your life. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 13:20)

Re: CB tour (94,020) (94,021) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Quite certain that going to a concert in 1995 isn't the greatest thing that could ever happen. Your remembering one and a half hours of Mariah as a blip on stage 25 years ago, or my being ten meters away from her with looking at me in the eye, waving to me and saying "I love you, too." If I could experience either one of them right now, it would be the second one. And I think you would as well. And you know it. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 13:00)

Re: CB tour (94,013) (94,020) by Bill from the UK Hmmm not sure about that. Daydream era vs CB era. Were you not just saying that whole album needs to be forgotten and buried in the past? You got one song and a finger wag, I got prime Mariah all night long in what is arguably the best concert she ever gave so. Nope. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 10:22)

Re: Ariana Grande butterfly tattoos (94,007) (94,019) by Musti from UK "Barbra Streisand has an album called Butterfly from many years ago, way before Mariah, although she didn't go with the butterfly symbol after that like Mariah did." I would've been surprised if Barbra got a tattoo of a fly on her body as that album is called ButterFly, literally a fly sitting on butter. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 09:28)

Re: Ariana Grande butterfly tattoos (94,002) (94,018) by Korey2 from United Stated Did you know butterflies were associated with Dolly Parton as well. She has an album Love Is Like A Butterfly and has used butterfly symbols especially with Dollywood for years? I personally feel a butterfly can mean differently to each although the same. We all go through changes. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 05:55)

Re: Ariana Grande butterfly tattoos (94,002) (94,017) by Dennis from Miami, FL Probably because all the cool mascots are already taken. And Mariah already has not just a butterfly but a lamb as well. Bees - taken, swifts - taken, (katy)kats - not available, little monsters - taken. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 02:20)

Re: Article: What celebrity visitors were really like (94,015) (94,016) by Dennis from Miami, FL Because Disney doesn't pay well? (Thursday 7 May 2020; 02:06)

Article: What celebrity visitors were really like (94,015) by Lee from USA She is an ex-employee, huh? Wow, I wonder why. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 01:26)

Article: What celebrity visitors were really like (94,014) by Dennis from Miami, FL Couldn't she give anything specific? Just "awful", "being a diva"? No puppies requested? Another thing, I really hoped I would never see Mariah and Will Ferrell mentioned in the same article again. I'm happy Mariah didn't starred in his cheesy movie, though I must have been a publicity stunt. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 01:00)

Re: CB tour (94,012) (94,013) by Andrew from the United Kingdom On March 19 2003 I went to see Mariah Carey film at The Graham Norton Show. When she sang Through The Rain at the end, advantaged by my being seated in front of the stage section I jumped up first and shouted "I love you, Mariah." She turned to me, did her little finger wiggle wave and said "I love you, too." So *my* story beats *your* story and I'm gonna bring it up every time you bring yours up. (Thursday 7 May 2020; 00:00)

Re: CB tour (94,011) (94,012) by Bill from the UK I went to the Daydream Tour in London, England on June 23rd 1996. Life changing. (Wednesday 6 May 2020; 23:15)

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