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Re: Oh for fx sakes (84,390) (84,409) by Stacey from USA Yeah, I don't understand this move toward profanity. It's so unnecessary. (Friday 5 October 2018; 22:57)

Don't compare (84,408) by Jamie from UK I think it's important to focus on the here and now, no point comparing anything from the 1990's. Yes Mariah was at her peak then, hell so was I. (Friday 5 October 2018; 22:14)

AMAs (84,407) by Shezz from Pk Just announced JLo will be performing her new single too. Hopefully that'll light a fire in Mariah to do a hell of a performance. Her response should be to go the opposite way and do a stripped down soulful performance and just showcase herself as a singer. A lamb can hope. (Friday 5 October 2018; 21:53)

e: With You thoughts (84,393) (84,406) by RibbonB from USA Giggling. (Friday 5 October 2018; 20:57)

Re: JLo at AMAs (84,385) (84,405) by 123 from USA She sure is. It was announced on the same day With You was released that JLo is a last minute addition to perform her new single at the AMAs. It's obvious JLo is coming to steal Mariah's thunder. More than likely it's an uptempo for her to lip synch minus a few lives notes which Benny started to have her do after he managed Mariah. It's not only a rivalry between the artists but the managers as well since Melissa used to work for Benny and is his protégée. Melissa has done a great job with the roll out and booking Mariah to this high profile event. It's now up to Mariah to pull off a great televised performance if she doesn't want to be upstaged by JLo. The good thing about WY is she can pull it off live. She's going to need to add to great live belts at the end of convinciny lip some new pre records. GTFO needs to be the accoustic version because if she lips it again sans the ending add libs it will fall flat just like the iHeart performance. It was the only weak part of the performance and there will be nothing but crickets. Put the wine down now Mariah and pull through or JLo will take the shine from you. (Friday 5 October 2018; 20:54)

Re: With You or Without You (84,389) (84,404) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada It's her eternally 12 thing. For whatever reason she wants to be viewed as a younger artist. (Friday 5 October 2018; 20:34)

Re: Oh for fx sakes (84,398) (84,403) by MusicfanJ from Germany "And she just doesn't realized fully how those songs touch so many people's lives because of their deep sometime introspective lyrics." So true. I wish she would work again with him, even if it's just for one song. But I think it won't happen. Mariah and Walter really created magical songs. I miss the collaboration since the latest on "Butterfly". (Friday 5 October 2018; 20:31)

Re: AMA performance of With You (84,392) (84,402) by Licia from USA It will be interesting to see what she comes up with for this performance. The dancing boy toy and the circus act won't work for this type of song. (Friday 5 October 2018; 20:24)

Re: Oh for fx sakes (84,390) (84,401) by MusicfanJ from Germany Yes, I just can't understand it. It makes no sense. Lol. Effing Merry Christmas. Maybe we'll get a remix with it. Seriously, someone who is proud of the songwriting like "our" MC (and I always loved her songwriting) should be able to write something more mature. (Friday 5 October 2018; 20:15)

A bit disgusted (84,399) by Tyler from USA I wasn't going to say anything but some of these comments are disgusting. I'm not a fan of this as a lead single but bringing up alcoholism, being bi-polar, corrupted by fame, addiction as the source is disgusting and pathetic. Also, this outrageous idea of how Tommy pushed her musically and painting him as this savior is ridiculous. Her music from 1990-1996 all sounded the same and he would of made sure she didn't escape from that formula. Do you realize she finally grew as an artist after leaving him? Lastly, Roc Nation and Epic both approved the song. I'm pretty sure they told her we need a WBT classic Mariah record to regain the public interest for this re-introduction. As a new client of Roc Nation they aren't going to take any chances. Wait until the full album before the hatred tantrums. (Friday 5 October 2018; 19:52)

Re: Oh for fx sakes (84,390) (84,398) by Bobby A from United States I am surprised that no one has mentioned that it was Walter A who kept Mariah reaching into her box of lyrical greatness and depth to give us all the brilliant songs during her reign in the 1990s. They just collaborated so well and effortlessly on some of the greatest pop ballads and mid tempos from the 1990s. And she just doesn't realized fully how those songs touch so many people's lives because of their deep sometime introspective lyrics. If I am mad at Mariah for anything, it is that she has refused to collaborate with Walter A after all of these years have passed. Let it go MC to make you shine again. I pray one day that she forgives him to collaborate with him again. MC15 could use about three Walter A songs. I am going to tweet her now asking her to reconsider Walter A. again. I hope everybody tweets her today pleading with her to call up Walter A. (Friday 5 October 2018; 19:24)

Meanwhile back at the ranch... (84,397) by Andrew from UK I'm playing Merry Christmas and dancing around the house. Because, that's why. God rest ye merry, gentlemen. And ladies. (Friday 5 October 2018; 19:07)

Re: A message for Adam (84,343) (84,396) by Andrew from UK Your message is nonsense. I don't write and record music but that doesn't mean I can't critique it. I do not design and make clothes but I feel at liberty to choose what looks good and what doesn't. I do not write plays but I can tell you that Iago is a gripping character and The Tempest is quite boring. I do not cook that well but I can tell a chef when he's over salted the food or when the steak was cooked perfectly. I am not an expert on Ancient Greece but I can tell you what it's like to stand in front of the awesome Elgin Marbles. Yes, I do not write or record music, but I feel confident in my knowledge and experience, and my unflinching honesty, to post that Mariah has recorded another carbon copy of many songs she's recorded before and doubled the whammy by releasing it as the long-awaited first single from an album now, exhaustingly, 4 years in the waiting. It's a disappointment, so just admit it, you prize-winning turnip. And yes, I will cross my fingers that the album itself is something new and exciting for her sake, because pushing out the same old same-old whilst adding expletives into the mix is not good enough to keep many people interested anymore. And yes, including me. Fingers crossed. (Friday 5 October 2018; 19:03)

Listening party 10/3 (84,395) by Ethan from United States I wonder if any of us here was invited/went to the listening party. It doesn't look like any of them is on this forum. Lol. I've seen several IG posts and the comments were general: the album is lit or on fire (or several songs that played at the gathering). On the other hand, I agree that there's a disconnect with "critics" and "lambs". With You has been getting positive reviews from NPR, Rolling Stone, Billboard, etc. It'd be great to hear a striped down version of it at the AMAs. And please don't forget Mariah for the Aretha tribute, which I doubt "I don't know her" was asked to be a part of. (Friday 5 October 2018; 18:39)

Re: Oh for fx sakes (84,391) (84,394) by RibbonB from USA Recent listening party attendees are saying the record is "legit", but sworn to secrecy in revealing any actual details. I don't know what she's saving up her jewel encrusted sleeve though. (Friday 5 October 2018; 18:30)

Re: With You thoughts (84,383) (84,393) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter She also already has a title, "Storm". (Friday 5 October 2018; 17:28)

AMA performance of With You (84,392) by T from USA If she just does the standard standing at the mic this performance will fall flat. I'm thinking of her Billboard performance of Infinity or recent iHeart performance. I honestly think a stripped down performance where the spotlight is just on her ala MTV stripped or something John Legend would do will really elevate the song. (Friday 5 October 2018; 16:40)

Re: Oh for fx sakes (84,390) (84,391) by T from USA Maybe because of the A/C leanings? Or maybe because she wasn't following radio trends at the very beginning? Now it's interesting because she's got one toe dipped in "not following any trends" and at the same time the other toe is dipped in the "what's going on at radio right now with Ella Mai". I wonder what an album would sound like if she did mature music coming from a 48 year old who really doesn't care about what's in anymore? But that's not Mariah is it? (Friday 5 October 2018; 16:38)

Oh for fx sakes (84,390) by 90sMariah from SG It's funny how then 18yo Mariah was able to write mature, profound and poetic lyrics in VOL, LTT, Vanishing while her now 48yo self have settled with phrases like "I fks with ya" and "GTFO" in her songs. She is taking her "eternally 12" mantra was too seriously. (Friday 5 October 2018; 15:53)

With You or Without You (84,389) by Edward from USA "With You" is a nice filler song, that's about it. It definitely seems Mariah has lost her muse though. 90's Mariah seemed to have more depth and mature lyrics than this Mariah. The Curious Case of Benjamin Button comes to mind, Mariah when young seemed to have an old soul and her music reflected that, but now that she's older, her soul has gotten more juvenile, so weird. I like "With You", but single material It. Is. Not. What's next with her aggressive lyrics, a future Christmas song called "Merry Effing Christmas"? After all Virgin Mary had to give birth to Jesus, maybe she cursed while going through labor like some women do out of pain, who knows. I'm still looking forward to the new album though. (Friday 5 October 2018; 15:51)

MC 15 (84,388) by B from USA According to several sites Mariah and Drake collaborated on a song for her new album. I'm loving With You but I wonder why they chose it over the Drake feature? (Friday 5 October 2018; 15:50)

Rolling Stone review (84,387) by B from USA Rolling Stone gave With You a positive review. (Friday 5 October 2018; 15:43)

Mariah Carey's best awards show performances (84,386) by B from USA Billboard ranked Mariah's best award show performances. Several of my favorites made the list. Mariah's performance of If Only You Knew/Somewhere Over The Rainbow at the 1998 Essence Awards, Vision of Love at the 1991 Grammy's, We Belong Together/Fly Like A Bird at the 2006 Grammy's, and Emotions at the 1991 VMA's. (Friday 5 October 2018; 15:25)

JKi at AMAs (84,385) by Atwood from NY Smh, and she is performing her newest song. Really? (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:47)

With You half-assed climax (84,384) by Lafa from Sweden The half-assed climax in With You actually sounds really good in my mind. (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:45)

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