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Re: With You thoughts (84,345) (84,383) by May from Denmark Vulgariah or... Bianca? She should have released an entire album as Bianca. Hilarious. But more fitting. (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:40)

With You (84,382) by Carlos from Brazil I think the music landscape of these days are not about raw talent and vocals anymore. If we take a look in today's chart it's more about being edgy and current with a strong social media impact. Take a look at today's divas and you will find nothing but lack of real vocalists. Halsey, Rihanna, Taylor Swift and Ella Mai (which I think is what Mariah is mostly sounding like) are talented but they don't need all those melismatic runs. I think people are not interested in that anymore. Christina Aguilera and Kelly Clarkson almost went unnoticed with their albums. Even Ariana who is a great singer has yet to have a number one record and let's be honest, she's way weaker than Mariah. I think "With You" is about being current. No exagerated vocals and a minimalistic beat just like Ella's singles. If Mariah is holding herself or if it's because she couldn't hit those notes from the past she could only benefit from all of this. (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:30)

Re: With You (84,368) (84,381) by MusicfanJ from Germany What do the members on here think about the lyrics honestly? I would enjoy it more without the alcohol references again. (I think Deedre already mentioned it.) And without the f.. again. I hope on the new album there is a song without those words. The language outside is "aggressive" enough, I would prefer lyrics more deeply by Mariah. With deeply I mean more poetic and less "cool". But I had to laugh about the word "Vulgariah" posted on here. (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:28)

Re: A message for Adam (84,331) (84,380) by May from Denmark I remember Kelly said after she left people were gonna realize how things really are and the tricks, that you can only fool people for so long. I thought she was being a bitch, later with the time I was more inclined to think that there might have been a fair amount of manufacturing. Perhaps not at the get go, that was all raw Mariah, but maybe later. There's no denial Mariah loved the attention, she always did, was too obvious, she loves the glitz, the glam, the money. She complained a lot about Mottola but only dropped him when she was at her peak and done everything to follow the formula given. I wonder if she only writes happy easy uplifting tunes since E=MC2 or ballads that have to do with her relationships because there's no more actual struggle like poverty to write something like Make it Happen or any more discrimination to do Outside. It's like the most emotional view she ever gave us from her acquired fame was Looking In, which is to me, one of the few truly sincere songs she has written. Mentions to alcohol and other things like that have been there, like in The Roof, but somehow it seemed fitted to the context. I don't like to assume and such. Maybe she is scared or afraid to write about her real struggles. She has only been writing what she wants for herself since E=MC2, and she said that, she is only doing music she wants to do. Meteorite and YDKWTD seemed promising, I even liked "I Don't", there was something dark about it and GTFO. I have some hopes for the new album. (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:26)

Re: Try again Mariah (84,364) (84,379) by TJ from Norway Do we discuss topics or persons? (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:17)

Re: With You - nostalgia (84,327) (84,378) by May from Denmark When people say the Mariah they grew up with it gives me the impression they want this woman who can throw her lungs out of her mouth, which she can't anymore. I don't think they necessarily are referring to the type of music. The woman used to have a lot of power and energy, and now at days not, also the stage presence has decreased, is that as a whole they refer to the old Mariah? Maybe more pop songs less R&B? Mariah always said she never liked doing pop, she was asked for by the bosses because it was what sold. (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:10)

Here's where I'm at (84,377) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I understand why some underwhelmed fans would be upset. Now is probably the most favorable time for the introduction of a new Mariah era since 2008 and they feel like she blew her chances by releasing a familiar-sounding slow-burner that doesn't spell "commercial", "hit" or even "radio-friendly". I'm just as surprised as anyone who wonders how Epic approved of this track to kick off the new album. Nonetheless, I'm still happy because she is still trying to get back in the game but now on her own. Both GTFO and With You have reached the top 3 on iTunes in her own home country as well as worldwide. I know it's momentary and it's just iTunes, but (except AIWFCIY), when was the last time that Mariah charted that high on a popular music store unassisted by a rapper or a younger artist? It proves there's still some public interest in her music. How many 90s artists even do that these days? Not J.Lo., Gwen Stefani, Usher or Brandy. Not even fellow legends Janet, Mary J., Celine or Madonna. Heck, even Alicia and Christina fail to generate that type of interest for their new material these days. I'm just appreciative that she and her team are finally working like a well-oiled machine. If the material is wrong, then so be it. As long as she promotes the hell out of it, then at least we know she's trying. Who knows what all of those efforts can do? It's less painful to watch a bad single choice fail despite great promo than a great single choice abandoned and go to waste. Besides, With You's dated sound actually sticks out like a sore thumb against everything that's on Top 40 right now, so that may end up being an advantage. It's still within the iTunes top 10 (for a day now) as of this writing, and the video, the AMAs and the radio push haven't happened yet, so I guess we'll see. (Friday 5 October 2018; 14:03)

Re: History repeats itself (84,351) (84,376) by MusicfanJ from Germany "The only question left: is the album like GTFO or With You?" Good question, I ask myself too. I just have a feeling we may all be surprised, positive or negative we'll see. When will the album be released? Is there a difference for the date between USA and Europe? (Friday 5 October 2018; 13:52)

Re: Negativity (84,361) (84,375) by Tijl from Belgium Thank You for making that statement. I believe that every Lamb out there has an ideal "Mariah" in his or her head that MC just can't live up to. She has reached such an iconic status that being a real human being no longer fits the mold. I would love for Mariah to forever sound like her "Daydream" counterpart and I wish that she would eternally look like she did in the "I Still Believe" video but helaas. "Sometimes the icon becomes bigger than the music itself," said Chris Noth when he announced Mariah at VH1 Fashion Awards in 2001. And this was even before the comeback of the century. To live that life one can only imagine and I don't blame her for hiding behind a "faux" persona in order to survive the mayhem of being that kind of famous. There is an endless list of huge superstars that got lost in their fame and who did not survive. I am very gratefull that she is a fighter, that she is still around and that she keeps on creating music in the way she feels doing it. Only when she will be really gone, people will truly appreciate the traces she has left on the world of popular music. (Friday 5 October 2018; 13:25)

Re: With You "I Don't" (84,367) (84,374) by Lexingz from Estonia Yep I thought I Don't was a good one, music-wise and vocally. The video ruined it. She looked young and pretty but the styling was wayyyy too trashy. (Friday 5 October 2018; 13:08)

Re: Try again Mariah (84,364) (84,373) by Special K from USA Yes, that song is way better. (Friday 5 October 2018; 12:47)

With You (84,372) by Anonymous from UK With you is gorgeous. There's a few things I don't like about it, vocals included, but everyone's literally been asking for something stripped back in her current voice for years. She delivers exactly that and people aren't happy. It is a very simple delivery and yeah, I feel like for a hit and the impact we desire, there's something missing, maybe? But I love the melodies, the layering, the key changes. [...] It's soft, intimate, delicate but raw and quintessentially MC. I've not felt this chilled and nostalgic with a Mariah song since MOAIA. I miss the old 90s quality everyday, but unless there's some divine vocal/Walter intervention, I'll gratefully take this as an upgrade from the "Triumphant (you're mine)" days. (Friday 5 October 2018; 11:12)

Re: A message for Adam (84,353) (84,371) by MusicfanJ from Germany Chris and Adam you speak from my heart. I feel the same way with everthing you said. It's really heartbreaking and sad. Yes, "Looking in" was telling that fame and money and the gift that the world was praising and loving didn't give happiness. "I believe Tommy on some level was trying to protect her from the destructive influences of fame and the vipers den that is the music business, but he overplayed his hand and lost her. The irony is that when Mariah freed herself from Tommy's control she became a slave to the fame itself and all of the yes-men and sycophants that come with it. Now she goes through the motions, cynical and passionless. I don't think she ever had the temperament to cope with fame." Absolutely agree. I don't care if the new songs are on the charts, she has enough number ones. I only wish that Mariah the artist would show up a little bit more, not the superstar. It's hard to believe that a woman who sung "Vision of love" and "Everything fades away" are the one who releases "GTFO". Yes, it may be modern or all for fun, but it's hard to recognize Mariah Carey. I know the 90ies will never come back (in every way) but I would love to see a more contemporary Mariah. I don't need pop music, RNB and soul are great but please for grown-ups and not for teenagers. They already have their "entertainers". I guess most of Mariah's fans are no teens. When Mariah started her career, she seemed more grown-up like today. I always find that a bit weird. Normally it is the opposite when someone starts. Fame really must be the hell, like you have said Elvis, Micheal, Whitney, George Micheal and many more were just a shadow of themself at the end. I will always love Mariah and I'm still excited for the new album, but it's good to know that some fans on this board share the same thoughts and feelings. (Friday 5 October 2018; 10:49)

GTFO was much better than With You (84,370) by MC1989 from Spain I don't like this choice. I feel like it's not something new. It's like a mixture between We Belong Together and The Art Of Letting Go. It's not that I don't like the song, but after GTFO - which I love - I expected something different, not another slow jam with fingers clapping. (Friday 5 October 2018; 10:27)

Just appreciate what's left (84,369) by Malcolm from Asia Mariah can't really satisfy her fans and it's sad. GTFO and With You are good and the best songs she released since You're Mine. I'm satisfied and happy with what's happening with Mariah right now and I don't need to become negative about everything because she's in good company, healthy and radiant. Don't act like this song is worst than I Don't, Infinity, Infamous, get over with it and move on. She has nothing to prove with anyone anymore, the new songs are good, the promotions are good, the visuals for this era are shaping to be good, I mean all is well and that's good enough for me, hit or flop. (Friday 5 October 2018; 09:41)

With You (84,368) by CHAZ from USA It's great for die-hard Lambs. It's mediocre for Lambs, and it really sucks for the general public. I, myself, like it because that's what I expect Mariah to do. Am I gonna convince non-Lambs to like the song? Oh hell no. Point. Period. Blank. (Friday 5 October 2018; 09:28)

Re: With You (84,330) (84,367) by IheartMC from USA I also love I Don't. It's current and her voice sounds great to me. It didn't get the attention it deserved and she used a great sample which was JD's idea. The video on the other hand should have never been approved lol. "Vulgariah" needs some help in the outfit department. JLo is nowhere near as talented as M, but her style is on point most of the time. With You is definitely not lead single material but let's see what she has in store for us. I am sure she has cooked some good stuff. Let's not count her out just yet. She proved she can still sing at her Vegas residency while singing Can't Let Go. Ugh, what I would give to get a song on that caliber from her. Here's hoping we get something different and fresh. I have faith because just a few years ago Beautiful, YDKWTD, Faded, Make It Look Good and Almost Home happened. (Friday 5 October 2018; 08:48)

GTFO expletive free acoustic version (84,366) by 123 from USA I don't care what anyone says, I really dig GTFO. It wasn't first single material but I wouldn't have been mad if it was the 2nd or 4th single. The hook is super catchy and I find myself going back to the song. It's what With You lacks and makes you forget about the song two seconds later. The production was fresh and the whispery vocals fit. If Mariah wants to stick it to JLo, she should perform this expletive free, acoustic version of the song. I love it, you can really hear her vocals and you don't miss the GTFO as the piano seems to capture your attention. It really gives you the feels. (Friday 5 October 2018; 08:12)

With You (84,365) by 123 from USA I loved the roll out, "bad side" artistic cover, and now for the song. It's super safe and seems like this was the most universal, "mass appeal" tracks on the album. Her mid 2000 hits is the sound Ella Mai and DJ Mustard used for all her tracks. Just listen to Booed up and Trip, both top 20 hits and one song that was all over the place this summer. The only difference is, With You's hook is super simple. Which is the issue with the song. It works against it, especially when the verses are very strong. The pre chorus is so good, very pretty and the best part of the song. The "he said yooooo, I've been loving you so long, ever since that bone thugs song, you ain't got to Breakdown, you're too strong" is clever. Who else can effortlessly rhyme trepidation with nation. How can Mariah Hook Queen allow the young co-writers to follow the 2018 trend of simple hooks. It just doesn't work for this song. This song can go either way with the public. What do I think? At the eleventh hour and on the same day Mariah's single is released my tv just flashed a promotion that JLo is performing her new single at the AMAs. I'm so watching this now. If JLo comes out with a good song and killer performance and outdoes Mariah I'm going to laugh. Mariah, JLo is coming for you. Put the wine down now and you better add some full voiced belts at the end of that performance if you don't want JLo to overshadow you in the realm she excels at (performance). (Friday 5 October 2018; 08:00)

Re: Try again Mariah (84,348) (84,364) by Daydreamer220 from China G.T.F.O. (Friday 5 October 2018; 07:55)

Article: Mariah Carey on date night with boyfriend Bryan Tanaka (84,363) by Gemma from Australia At least she isn't dressed like a hooker. That's a plus I suppose. (Friday 5 October 2018; 07:42)

Article: "With You" Is Mariah's best single since "#Beautiful" (84,362) by Gemma from Australia Finally. The voice has returned at last, we just need her dressing nicely now and the Mariah we all love will be back for good. (Friday 5 October 2018; 07:35)

Negativity (84,361) by Atwood from NY The point I am trying to make with this message is, Take a look at Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry and Britney Spears, just to drop a few names. All of these female artists have completely changed since their "first" album. Their music now is completely different on all of their last albums released. These female artists have reached their prime and none of them will ever look back and re create songs or similar songs ever again. They move on with today's trends and what is popular in the moment. Mariah is going on 3 decades and her 15th studio album. Some will love it and some will hate it. Mariah is speaking about her life and recording what she enjoys. Mariah is no longer a pop artist. R&B/Soul is her category. Charts don't matter, she will never have a song spend 14 or 16 weeks at #1 again. She's not going to make amazing music videos and she's more than likely not going to promote or spend everyday on talk shows. And why is that? Mariah is just enjoying the creative process of writing her own music and being happy in the recording studio expressing what she has gone through or going through. Things change, people change, priorities change and life in general changes. (Friday 5 October 2018; 06:08)

I'm glad (84,360) by 90sMariah from SG I'm glad that you all think that Mariah is no longer about being number one in the charts, because with the kinds of songs she's been putting out over the years - well, she will never going to be in it. May I also predict the first week sales for her upcoming release? I'd say, 4K to 5k. And I'm being generous. (Friday 5 October 2018; 05:48)

Re: With You about Nick Cannon? (84,323) (84,359) by B from USA I believe it's about Brian saving her from making a huge mistake by marrying Packer. We all know that the gazebo scene in the series finale of Mariah's World was staged but I think that it was a reenactment of a real conversation. The fact that they're still together lends credence to this theory. (Friday 5 October 2018; 03:35)

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