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Re: Slightly shocked at Despacito (78,223) (78,229)
by jaker20 from US
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Actually Edward, it was exactly Justin's version that got the song to where it is now. The song without Justin was released in January, and got multiple remixes, and lingered on the chart for months but never reached top 40. So if the song was so hot, why didn't it chart higher? It was after Justin's remix version was released in mid April that the song took off, entered the top 40, and was no.1 in just a few weeks. Would the song have reached no.1 without Justin? Maybe. Would the song have reached no.1 if the song was only Justin and without Fonsi and Yanke. Maybe. But that's not what happened here. That's not the fact. It was the combination of both that got it to break record, a similar fear accomplished by MC with B2M in the 2 big artists collab is better than one.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 21:21)
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Re: Slightly shocked at Despacito (78,223) (78,228)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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I can understand that the Elvis fans didn't like "Touch my body". He is still the king. Luckily autumn arrives slowly so I hope it will be "over" with the endless playing of "Despacito". I have nothing against Luis or Daddy Yankee I just don't like the song. (From the beginning.)
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 19:36)
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This is from Billbaord (78,227)
by Edward from USA
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Following a first chart week of sales and streaming data tracking (August 25-31), Taylor Swift's Look What You Make Me Do after its August 25 arrival, and a first full week of airplay tracking (August 28-September 3), should storm to No. 1. On the new September 9-dated Hot 100, the track debuts at No. 77 powered by its first three days of airplay. According to industry projections, "Look," the first single from Swift's album Reputation, due November 10, could sell between 400,000 and 500,000 downloads in its first week. That could mark the highest weekly total since Adele's "Hello" sold 480,000 downloads in its third week. Along with first-week streaming totals, powered by its lyric video released August 25 and its official clip which premiered Sunday (August 27) during the MTV Video Music Awards, as well as a full first week of airplay, "Look" should vault to No. 1 on the Hot 100. If "Look" leaps to the top, it would prevent, or delay, further history from being made by the current leader, Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee's "Despacito", featuring Justin Bieber, which this week (on the September 9-dated Hot 100) logs its record-tying 16th week at No. 1. It matches Mariah Carey and Boyz II Men's "One Sweet Day", which reigned for a record-establishing 16 weeks in 1995-96. Thus, if "Look" dethrones "Despacito", the latter would, at least as of next week, remain tied for the longest command in the Hot 100's 59-year archives.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 19:32)
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Re: Complex's list of 50 greatest 90s R&B songs (78,222) (78,226)
by MusicfanJ from Germany
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Oh yes the 90ies rnb is the best. I agree with all your points. Funny that you mention Jennifer Paige's "Crush". Loved it so much back then because the part when she sang "it's just a little crush" reminded me of Mariah somehow. The quality [was] definitely better in the 90ies. (70ies and 80ies are of course great too.) Mariah truly ruled that decade like no other female artist. If you watch videos of that time it's almost unbelievable. Her look, her voice and her aura. I think the list [was] posted here, great songs on it.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 19:21)
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Despacito Mijos, Despacito (78,225)
by Edward from USA
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I guess that maybe, just maybe, if some of us were a little bit more appreciative of other artists’ accomplishments, whether we're fans or not, we could get the same treatment for Mariah when she has something out. I remember when Mariah released Heartbreaker and it was time to find out if it had reached #1 or just kept climbing, but I saw that #1, I went crazy with joy, those were the days. I guess probably there were some older people back then, fans of other artists of course, annihilating her and hating on her accomplishment, but people had spoken, and she was #1. No matter how much they hated it, attributed to single discounts, chart manipulations, she was #1, and that was that. I was happy and many were bleeding on the other side, I just didn't know. Yes, most music is crap nowadays, but the charts have their rules, rules that allow Mariah to chart every year with her Christmas song setting an unprecedented record, its rules allowed her to give a huge push to her singles through multiple versions of it. I don't think that the charts or the world is against Mariah, we always knew the Divine Trinity wasn't going to be forever. Elvis, The Beatles, Madonna, Michael Jackson, all of them shone bright when it was their time, Mariah's light just dimmed down, but she's still shining. One day she'll be like the rest, but that's life I guess. After "I Didn't", "Crapfiny", "Infamous", I long more for a great song than an effing #1 to be honest. Breaking her OSD and most #1's records won't wash away her accomplishments or give Fonsi and Daddy Yankee a Butterfly, a Daydream or TEOM, but they got there just like Mariah, with a song they wrote, even the part that Justin Bieber sings. And yes, the song it's in Spanish, big fat effing deal. The weird thing is that because of the English speaking Americans Despacito is where it is right now, #1 for 16 weeks, how fair is that? I guess music is the universal language. If you like it and feel it, you might not even care what's being sung, of course if you doing Despacito.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 18:12)
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Re: Slightly shocked at Despacito (78,223) (78,224)
by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada
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The song is where it is because people love it. Thank you Edward. Sigh. No one is saying you have to like it if you truly don't, or that you can't have an opinion. It just comes off like nothing matters but a completion for a record. If [Boyz] II Men can respond with respect, then so can the fans. I just think it is a shame not to embrace success with grace and I am sure people who were not Mariah fans as I am had grown tired of OSD. But, thankfully no one around me at the time was saying the song didn't deserve to be there. The conspiracy theories are a little much.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 17:37)
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Re: Slightly shocked at Despacito (78,216) (78,223)
by Edward from USA
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Despacito is not where it is because of Justin Beiber, the video without Justin is the one that also broke the record with most streaming. It's simple, the general public just love the track, that's all. It's true that artists release different versions of their songs to give it a push, Mariah's done it countless times, the remixes for "#Beautiful", "You're Mine(Eternal)" with Trey Songz just to name a few. The "Justin-less" video for Despacito has reached nearly 4 billion views, it is completely in Spanish. Of course Justin's name has given it a push, there's not denying in that, but the work was already done when he asked to be on the song, I repeat, he heard her song and asked to be on the song. Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee wrote and produced the song, that's also an accomplishment. Despacito is what it is, one of those songs that got people listening and streaming, it doesn't have to do with depth, it's a summer song. I don't see the need in trashing Despacito. Some here are doing exactly what Elvis' fans were doing when Mariah broke his record. Some said: "Touch Her Body", really? But it was what it was, Touch My Body wasn't deep in anything, it was just like Despacito, a catchy fun song to listen to, and yet it hit #1. People just seem to like Despacito better, some should just get over it. It's an effing song, we don't have to bleed as if we got cut open.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 16:57)
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Complex's list of 50 greatest 90s R&B songs (78,222)
by this_is_qhm from the Philippines
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Has this article has been posted here earlier this month? It's a great list, and covers most of the essentials, some questionable ones and a few curiously missing classics such as "No Scrubs", "I'll Make Love To You", "One Sweet Day", and even Madonna's "Take A Bow", The Spice Girls' "2 Become 1" and "Too Much", and Jennifer Paige's "Crush" which are considered pop but are unmistakably R&B. God, the 90s was great. This is further proof that: 3) The 90s were straight-up dope for music in general. 2) The 90s truly is the golden age of R&B. 1) With 3 entries in the list (should be more), Mariah truly ruled the 90s.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 14:30)
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Re: (78,194) (78,221)
by B from USA
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I can understand why Mariah's AIWFCIY is a straight to video release. Because children's movies sell well especially holiday titles.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 13:24)
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Re: Slightly shocked at Despacito (78,216) (78,220)
by B from USA
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I bought every single Mariah released from 1995-2002 and only one was sold for $00.49 (Loverboy). I paid $1.99 for both Heartbreaker and TGIFY.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 13:17)
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Re: Mariah inspired by Whitney? (78,215) (78,219)
by B from USA
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Mariah slayed You're So Cold. I can't imagine anyone other than Marah singing it. Same with TGTBAW.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 13:14)
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Vision of Love / Kansas (78,218)
by Billy from Greece
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She slayed and snatched wigs galore here. Wow. 
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 12:27)
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Re: Slightly shocked at Despacito (78,216) (78,217)
by this_is_qhm from the Philippines
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True. Despacito is generic Latin pop at best. When it comes to truly great songs in that genre, I think of Smooth, Maria Maria, The Cup of Life, My All, and heck, even Let's Get Loud and pretty much everything from Miami Sound Machine and Gloria Estefan as the standard.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 10:09)
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Re: Slightly shocked at Despacito (78,212) (78,216)
by jaker20 from US
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[It's] some sort of chart manipulation. I know chart tricks happens since the beginning of [Billboard], but Despacito is sort of the perfect storm of this "trick". The song has two versions, the original one, and the one with Justin Bieber, and both songs are charting on iTunes, radio and streaming. The Spanish one is rotated heavily on Spanish radio, but both version on iTunes count as one. So that's a lot of push. It is very weird how artists and studios do this to manipulate the charts, but I know MC was also accused of chart tricks in the past, especially during the Glitter era. Also studios/artists release different remixes now, and they stagger the release of each remix just at the right time either when the song is peaking on the charts to give it a boost. But in the case of Despacito, the end result is more impactful because having 2 different languages is clearly a bigger push. I think the song would still be no. 1 for 4 or 5 weeks or so but definitely not 16 weeks. The song is generic pop for me. Someone mentioned Macarena and that's how I felt about the song too.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 05:39)
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Re: Mariah inspired by Whitney? (78,203) (78,215)
by Tevin from USA
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Lamb from US, "There's got to be a way" honestly to me sounds like it should be a [Whitney] song. Dont get me wrong, Mariah killed it, especially that whistle note, but I always felt she sounded like Whitney with sligthly less power in that song. [It's] the only song (maybe "Your [sic] so cold" also), that I think would have fit Whitney better.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 05:20)
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Re: Mariah's next album cover (78,207) (78,214)
by Merr Hasenan from Malaysia
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Mariah can put fan made cd covers that floating in the net. Some of them look really convincing and professionally done. Even better than [the] Rainbow album cover. Mariah could just put her trademark Butterfly or MC initial on it. The only thing I want her to keep is the same font for her name.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 02:50)
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Despacito (78,213)
by Manny from U.S.
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What is bothering me about this situation is that some fans only mention Mariah and Justin sharing this accomplishment. Let's not forget Boyz II Men, Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee. I already saw different IG posts mentioning Mariah and Justin only. They make it sound like Mariah only sang OSD and Justin only sang Despacito. Let's give credit where credit is due.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 02:27)
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Re: Slightly shocked at Despacito (78,200) (78,212)
by Luke from United Kingdom
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I think they count streaming numbers from Spotify/YouTube now but I could be wrong. If they do it's still a testament to Mariah's power since hers would have stayed at number 1 only from sales back then. Singers definitely have it more easier now-a-days.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 00:56)
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Despacito (78,211)
by Randy from USA
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Why is today the first time I listened to this song? I stopped caring about new music in 2009, well except Adele and that's because she makes music for all generations. And I'm an X'er. The song is number one for 16 weeks on the American charts and it's not in English? Here's where you (Andrew) call me an bloody, egotistical, one-language speaking American. I do not think this song will have the staying power of One Sweet Day or even I Will Always Love You at 14 weeks or You Light Up My Life at 10 weeks but ok. Like Oprah said when MC tried to humbly downplay breaking The Beatles record in '99. Records are made to be broken.
(Thursday 31 August 2017; 00:45)
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Re: Article: Mariah wearing engagement ring to "taunt" James? (78,193) (78,210)
by RibbonB from USA
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I know, the debunk story had more lies and inaccuracies than the original story. Its clear she is being petty and manipulative by wearing that silly ring.
(Wednesday 30 August 2017; 23:14)
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Re: Mariah's next album cover (78,207) (78,209)
by Matty from Vancouver Canada
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I would love if she did something totally out of the box. Like you said, an artistic cover without her face at all would be such a great change of pace. A new sound and a new approach to album art would go a long way in showing a fresh creative side. Emotions cover art and E=MC2 cover art is the most out of the box Mariah's gotten on a Mariah cover, she should push the limits way more then that. I still [wish] The Art of Letting Go single art was the main cover of MIAMTEC.
(Wednesday 30 August 2017; 22:46)
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Re: Mariah inspired by Whitney? (78,206) (78,208)
by Bill from the UK
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Great description of the Emotions album there Mara. It's a beautiful and underrated album. In terms of Mariah being inspired by Whitney, Narada Michael Walden did say that when they were working on I Don't Wanna Cry, she was constantly asking him if her material was anywhere on par with Whitney's new material for I'm Your Baby Tonight. So she was aware of her popularity and influence and more than likely that she was brought in to match her in many aspects.
(Wednesday 30 August 2017; 20:26)
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Mariah's next album cover (78,207)
by Malcolm from Asia
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I hope her next cover is a close up and minimalist ala "Mariah Carey". Stop with the whole body cover if it will be just edited as hell. Or better yet an artistic one without her face like a cover you will never expect from Mariah.
(Wednesday 30 August 2017; 18:55)
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Re: Mariah inspired by Whitney? (78,204) (78,206)
by Mara from United States
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You are absolutely right about Emotions being the album that really set them apart. Emotions is the album that showcased the different things Mariah could do with her voice, writing, composing. That entire haunting feel on that album was what pulled me in more to Mariah. Her songs and voice just took you someplace otherworldly.
(Wednesday 30 August 2017; 18:03)
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Re: Slightly shocked at Despacito (78,202) (78,205)
by B from USA
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Despacito is 2017's Macarena. It doesn't have the emotional resonance that One Sweet Day had and continues to have. One Sweet Day is remembered fondly but Macarena isn't and Despacito won't be either.
(Wednesday 30 August 2017; 17:15)
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