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Re: Like the rest of us, she isn't (77,560) (77,562) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter See this post I can completely agree with. Mariah says something and does something else. She insists she's a prude and shy but her actions suggests otherwise. I clearly remember her saying on one occasion (I'm sure there were more) where she said she wouldn't use "sex" (as in the sexy image) to sell her stuff and she doesn't understand why people do that and basically she was talking down about how some people have just based their whole gig around a sexy image, this contradicts with what she has been doing for a while now. Then she says she likes to keep her private life private and talked down about celebs who are overexposed, well lo and behold, she has been overexposed to the point of over saturation in the last 2 years. She puts up a ditzy image, always talking about angles and lighting during interviews but never really going in depth about her artistry (I mean in the recent years, she used to do that before) and yet she whines that people don't take her as a serious artist. I also agree with Mara about the cringe worthy "you guys won't understand, with your normal brains and normal low life 9 to 5 jobs" (not an exact quote). I cringe every time she says stuff like these and she has said it many times, girl needs to know these people work way harder and will be fired if they under perform even once (regardless of age) and she has been under performing in a lot of instances now but we are supposed to excuse that because she is a legend? It doesn't work that way. If you take the coins, you should deliver on your end. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 00:59)

Re: Mariah interview quote (77,541) (77,561) by RibbonB from USA Check her interview in Essence. For some reason that seems to click with that old interview. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 00:38)

Re: Like the rest of us, she isn't (77,554) (77,560) by Andrew from UK Your post is interesting. Mariah's personality is like her attitude towards her image - completely contradictory and the source of much ire. With her image she acts like a vapid z-movie porn star, but cries foul if she's not considered innocent and virtuous. With her personality she acts condescending and aloof, but cries foul if people don't consider her a victim and virtuous. And celebrities moaning about how hard they have it should go work in a factory for 12 hours a day and put miniature parts together to achieve impossible quotas, or go clean out other peoples toilets. I don't think Mariah has a hard life at all. The only hard part would be being criticised by the public for your choices. Well, if you can take praise, you should be able to handle criticism. And I'm sure the jet-set wealthy lifestyle where working involves such arduous tasks as sitting on meetings and choosing things your like, drinking a lot and singing a little bit is adequate compensation. What's the bet it's been a long time since she cleaned her own toilet? (Sunday 30 July 2017; 00:35)

Re: Fat shaming (77,558) (77,559) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Assuming your post is directed at me, I am just saying, first of all I'm talking about body shaming in general and that includes thin shaming. Unless these people are a danger to themselves by being excessively fat or excessively thin (due to anorexia) then we have no business intervening. Also let's not kid ourselves, she isn't "fat". She has a little more meat on her bones than usual but she is by no mean "fat" or "obese". Also once you are past a certain age it becomes difficult to maintain a certain weight sometimes especially for women who go through a lot of hormonal changes (I am not generalizing this because yes people like Madonna and Celine are still thin) but different people have different bodies. She might be on medicines, she might be depressed, she might be in a crisis or heck she might have just decided she wants to eat 2 tacos at once because she earned it and isn't a 20 year old new comer trying to make it big. She can still look fantastic if she dresses right instead of wearing clothes that are not her size and those darn leotards with cut outs that just doesn't represent her well. Again this is my opinion, I'm not trying to push it down anyone's throats. People don't have to agree with me. I call Mariah out on a lot of messes she pulls (her crazy stunts, her shade queen status, her bad performances, her recent lack of work ethic) but this is something different. So I'm not deluded, you should know that all too well by now. Also my original post wasn't directed at anyone on the board, I was referring straight to the article. And hell to the no for that "if you don't agree with something, you are not 'positive' or you are a 'hater'" isn't me, in most cases I'm dubbed as the hater on this board since I lost my rose colored glasses years ago, so boy bye. (Sunday 30 July 2017; 00:21)

Fat shaming (77,558) by Andrew from UK Um, sorry, what's wrong with it? Let's see. You're not naturally big. You are thin. And very attractive. You eat and drink way too much. You make yourself very overweight. And unattractive. You *should* be ashamed. If there is no shame in it, what is there? Pride? Everyone jumping on the "it's-wrong-to-fat-shame" bandwagon sounds rather silly, and I imagine are people who probably feature the world "hater" heavily in their vocabulary. Just because you disagree with something, that you are not positive about something someone is or does, doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. Call it out. She made herself fat and is too lazy or self-indulgent to lose weight, even if being fat seemingly hurts her somewhat. And it does *not* look good, given that everyone knows what lies beneath the many layers of self-indulgence and delusion. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 23:54)

Re: Like the rest of us, she isn't (77,546) (77,557) by RibbonB from USA Edward, Oprah is one of the richest, seemingly nicest people around and she still struggles with her weight. She has gained and lost and just sort of settled in with her age and reality, but she has also been fat shamed. It really isn't right even though some make excuses for it. Women over 40 already have age against them, let alone if there are other deeper issues that pack on the weight. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 23:19)

Re: Journalists fat shaming Mariah (77,528) (77,556) by May from Denmark Sadly the journalists do it with everyone, not just Mariah. I remember the Daily Mail even called her a whale once in one of the photograph descriptions, it was awful. And many times they have found adjectives of some sort to simply call her fat in pejorative ways. Then again can't expect any less from the DM. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 23:13)

Re: Short memories (77,520) (77,555) by May from Denmark Because the song was done, she did it, we even got a snippet but for some reason it wasn't released. The movie already presented her as the songwriter and she introduced the movie in a short trailer so it will happen. If the movie doesn't get released that's a different thing. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 23:07)

Re: Like the rest of us, she isn't (77,546) (77,554) by May from Denmark So much drama for a person having no waist and thick legs. She is quite thick now but I wouldn't portray her as fat, like someone who has the muffin tops overcooking all out of the jeans or had a big pot belly. Mariah has always been lazy when it comes to exercising, we all know. People do too much drama about what others wear, yet if frog Kardashian wore a turd top, next morning all the streets would be looking like sewer from the sheeple-girls changing wool for turd. I agree completely that Mariah became the diva, the whistle became the gimmick and she all in all turned all the things she said she didn't want it to happen. As a celebrity I don't really expect anything regarding her body, I know she is physically lazy, it has always been known. America has an obesity problem, which is becoming a common thing in the UK also and is starting to rise in this other side too. I never thought of Mariah as a role model to follow in regards to body, I cared about her music and voice and still do. If she wants to sing in a bikini while her pot belly is out, whatever, I never followed her for her fashion or costumes, for that kind we have Lady Gaga, who seemingly has been trying to erase that part of her career acting all fashionably "normal" and elevated when we know is late to take her serious, no one will forget the Kermit the frog's jacket. It's like all have their crash and then want to be - taken seriously - Katy Perry being the last one. Mariah is like she had a whole opposite moment, from serious elegant slightly sexy glam to the Dolly Parton of RnB. Only that everybody loves Dolly and no one cares she has showed us teetees for the longest period of time but there is that humbleness Mariah lost, that magic to communicate niceness. Dolly is a sweetheart, she was and is America's sweetheart. When she speaks she is honest but sweet, you know she had so much but also behaves as if she was your neighbor. What happened to Mariah's eloquent way of talking in interviews and even on stage? That time she was on stage and she was trying to explain people why she arrived late and then said something like "oh you people wouldn't understand it, you have normal boring lives, because you aren't artists, I can't sleep at night... when you have a creative mind like us artists do" and she kept on, I felt bad for her and I cringed and that was the first time I thought "Mariah shut up you are sounding like a condencending arrogant bitch", I even felt somewhat dissappointed of her that time. Can you say ego in capitals?. She has consistently portrayed herself like that ever since Charmbracelet, it got intense in the Emancipation time. Maybe at this age and time she got tired of keeping it together for the press? Like you said, no doubt she is a good person, I believe she is a narcissistic person too but this last was always down played by her with comments about how grounded she was. I think her publicity team having no filters isn't helping, someone used to make Mariah get fit for her job, like when she reappeared for E=MC2 or every other album debut, or her previous tours, she looked great for her Adventure tour. No exercise for tours means also feeling more tired to sing properly. I felt the late performances were lackluster not because her weight (that's just silly, she isn't obese) or her tiredness but I think she must be taking some medicine, she has been having that weird look and sounding monotonous and rigid looking when interviewed again. Is it possible she is having a health issue she doesn't want to publicly address? (Saturday 29 July 2017; 23:02)

Fat shaming (77,553) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I don't think it's right to fat shame (or body shame in general) anyone whether they are a celeb or not. Let's keep in mind Mariah is a singer, not a model, so she is not obligated to stay a certain size for that. A lot of divas before her have been sizes bigger than her, so it's no big deal. What Mariah should do, if she is happy with her current self is just learn to dress for her size and that isn't difficult. She doesn't even need to be covered up like Adele all the time, she has herself dressed up many times in ensembles that were revealing yet classy and sexy. She has the means to get any stylist she wants and any big name fashion house will gladly make any alterations necessary for her. What she should also do it not over edit her photos to look sizes way too small that people turn it into a joke. A little edit doesn't hurt anybody, everyone does it. Another thing that I would like to say is that if Mariah is not comfortable walking in heels anymore, she should make a bold statement and just go in flats (like Gal Gadot did) or wedged heels or stuff that you can walk in without being held by 2-3 people. This idiotic article claims Mariah is 119 kilos and can't walk without being carried, that is as stupid as it can get because she is no where near that weight, and people who are that weight can walk perfectly fine so what on earth? But we all have noticed that Mariah's walking problem isn't a weight issue, it's just that she doesn't seem to be as comfortable wearing heels anymore so she should just embrace it and kick it off. I know it's part of her diva persona, but don't let the persona engulf the person, that's when things get messy and that's what precisely happened to Mariah. She let her diva persona engulf the beautiful, kind and genius individual that she is, so now people just think of her as a ditzy, egotistic diva who throws shades. No one will try to look beyond her facade, and she can't complain that people don't understand her when she is the one not letting them understand. Lastly, it's none of my business, but Mariah should only lose weight for herself, and nobody else, what I mean is, last time she went on this strict diet for her wedding to Packer, then after that didn't go through, she left it but then again started dieting, to what most assume is to look good next to Tanaka, then again after that ended she let it go. This isn't good for her, so don't try to transform yourself for someone else, instead just do it if you feel the need, if not, then just embrace yourself. There's still time Mariah, drop the diva act, show the real you, address your problems (vocal and otherwise) head on, work with professionals and watch what a difference it makes. Doing so would liberate her, she won't have to constantly put up a show. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 18:32)

Lionel and Mariah (77,552) by Jeff from USA Got my tickets to the August 18th show in Newark, NJ. So excited, y'all. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 14:58)

Re: M3rry Christmas (77,548) (77,551) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Mara, I hope your surgery goes well and you recover super fast. My prayers are with you, lots of love. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 12:44)

Re: Journalists fat shaming Mariah (77,534) (77,550) by TJ from Norway I didn't say that this fat shaming is ok (well, I didn't mean to do that), but because of how she act in the public eye, she will be a target. I love her music, her voice and ability to touch people through that, but I don't love, even don't like the way she portrait herself. She has spent too much time making a fool of herself with this "I don't know her", acting eternal 12, being a diva and so on. It might be her sense of humour, but non-fans don't get it. What goes around, comes around. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 08:28)

Article: Mariah Carey reveals her 3 must-have items (77,549) by Gemma from Australia I love these kind of stories. This is how Mariah should be all the time, beautiful, caring, appreciative of her fans and children and more importantly sane and fully dressed lol. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 08:08)

Re: M3rry Christmas (77,545) (77,548) by Mara from United States I am doing good, thank you for asking. I have surgery scheduled next week and with the help of God, all will be good. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 06:03)

Re: Like the rest of us, she isn't (77,546) (77,547) by Manny from U.S. By that logic, the US does have a bulging problem. Then we should be more compassionate. Let's not be like Andre Leon asking Mimi to lose weight, while we stuffed our faces. I get it; she is a public person, but she is a human. She still has a personal life that we don't know about. We are fans and we don't know her. We don't know her at the end of the day. We think we know the whole story from what she says in interviews. She chose to be a singer, we chose to be fans. She'll choose to lose weight on her own. I don't associate her weight gain to her "failures". I think she's doing well. She does need a better team but she is still working. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 04:58)

Re: Like the rest of us, she isn't (77,544) (77,546) by Edward from USA Yes, it makes sense when it comes to a celebrity whose income is directly proportional to the public image she portrays. Regular people don't get "he/she is just a human" pass when they don't do their job well. Yes, she has the means to even get a psychologist or a psychiatrist should she need one. Many fat people here in America don't have free healthcare or the means to get help, and things are about to get worse now. Mariah has the money for that. I'm not saying we, as fans, shouldn't be compassionate. At the end of the day we're her fans and stick with her through thick and thin, but we shouldn't expect that from the general public who don't know what we know about her, only what she shows, her diva persona that comes across as arrogant most of the time. There's a great person behind that diva facade, why not show it? Mariah saved an old friend's life by paying for her alternative cancer treatment, she didn't hesitate to give the woman the money. We, as fans, can believe and relate to that Mariah, but the rest wouldn't believe it based on the way she behaves. She doesn't have to change who she is, but this is a game she's playing to win or at least to stay in for a long time. She can't do the same things over and over expecting different results, that's the definition of insanity. We have witnessed that when Mariah put herself into it, she sings well consistently, dress well and let that beautiful person shine through. Mariah is a wonderful person, but the last 3 fans she has won't be enough to keep her in the game, even if we buy multiple copies of her albums, singles, perfumes, panties or watch her reality show. If she doesn't get the general public on board somehow, her career is doomed. She's doing great with Lionel Richie, I hope she keeps it up. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 02:26)

Re: M3rry Christmas (77,543) (77,545) by Licia from USA Lol. Glad I could make you laugh. How have you been doing Mara? (Saturday 29 July 2017; 01:48)

Re: Like the rest of us, she isn't (77,536) (77,544) by Manny from U.S. I'm sorry I don't agree with this. I know some people from the gym who take public transportation who have the fittest sexiest bodies I've seen. They don't have the cash to pay a personal trainer but are committed to fitness. To say Mariah has the means so she should be fit doesn't make sense. Obviously her weight gain, like Janet's and many Americans is deeper than that. It is something psychological. Overeating is an addiction. I agree with Hilton, she'll lose weight when she is ready. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 01:07)

Re: M3rry Christmas (77,515) (77,543) by Mara from United States Licia, that post made me spit out my drink, no lie. Thanks for the laugh. And your description on another Christmas album is exactly how I feel, lol. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 01:06)

Re: Mariah and Chelsea (77,526) (77,542) by RibbonB from USA Lol I like to just think of Stella as "Crusty the chicken finger clown". (Saturday 29 July 2017; 00:41)

Mariah interview quote (77,541) by Alexis Morell Carrington Colby Dexter Rowan from USA Does anyone remember which 2006/07 magazine Mariah did where she was asked if she felt either validation or vindication (can't remember) with the success of TEOM. Mariah had a great response that went something like, "If I believe the critics' praise then I have to also believe their criticisms counting me out." I want the actual quote but can't remember the interview it's from. Please help. (Saturday 29 July 2017; 00:28)

Re: Mariah and Chelsea (77,531) (77,540) by RibbonB from USA Chelsea is a dumb ass IMO, she is not funny. Wendy shades Mariah, but at least acts like a "glamb" and would make for an entertaining show if Mariah ever appeared there. (Friday 28 July 2017; 23:40)

Re: Journalists fat shaming Mariah (77,535) (77,539) by TJ from Norway I agree with you, and maybe she finds it again. (Friday 28 July 2017; 23:39)

Re: Like the rest of us, she isn't (77,536) (77,538) by Hilton from USA Mariah is a person. She will lose weight when she feels like it and that's the end of it. We already know by default that she has access to whatever she wants and how she's goes about utilizing those things is totally up to her. You can look at her and hold her up to any standard that you want, and that's fine. I'm holding her up to a realistic standard. She's gonna gain weight, fine, she's gonna have a bad attitude some days, fine, she's gonna sing off some days, fine, she's gonna throw shade some days, fine. You do all those too, just like I do. Her personality is her personality. If she feels the need to check someone then by all means she has the freedom to do so, just like you and I. Those moments do not encompass everything that she is. Those are pieces of her. She has a good heart, she's a great entertainer and I always felt like most times her reactions to things were appropriate. Not always, some thing can be reeled in of course, but for the most part I think she's a decent person. So with that said I'll continue to hope that she puts out a slamming album, has great promo, has great videos, dishes out some great performances and has some fun light hearted in depth interviews. I'll also hope that she's happy in her personal life along with her kids. I'm in no position to tell someone [...] I do that with my own life and clearly she's doing it with hers. (Friday 28 July 2017; 23:22)

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