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Rockefeller Retrospective (61,152) by Jono from USA Even though this was a brutal time in Mariah's personal and professional life, and if I may say so without sounding cruel, I believe it was necessary. No she didn't deserve all the backlash and hate she got from the performance, but clearly it had lasting effects on Mariah. It was a huge wakeup call that she couldn't just rest on her laurels from the 90s. I think she realized that the very thing that made her who she is, was suddenly at risk of destroying everything she worked for. Fast forward two years later and on this tour, Mariah is sounding remarkable in every sense of the word. I'm not even adding an asterisk that "she sounds good for 2016". No, she just sounds good, period. There were a lot of mitigating circumstances surrounding that infamous performance in 2014, but it was clear that at the time Mariah's voice was not in good shape even if she had done rehearsals/warmups. Whatever she's been doing to return her voice to her glory days, she needs to keep up. She still has many many years left and at the rate her vocal form is returning, I'm excited for future projects. (Friday 8 April 2016; 20:22)

Infinity (61,151) by Giovanni from USA Even if "Infinity" had it to number one I still would hate it. The music and lyrics are cheesy, and Mariah's voice sounds the worst. If you compare "Infinity" to anyone of Mariah's number ones you'll see just how bad of a song it is. Was this the best she could come up with? I would have rather heard any of the leftover tracks from "Me. I am Mariah". (Friday 8 April 2016; 18:34)

Meet and greet scam (61,150) by Giovanni from USA I think it's pretty rotten how this so called "meet and greet" is set up. People like Tiina paid hundreds of dollars to meet her idol and all she got was a hello and one lousy photo. And why does she charge for it? I love Mariah but I'm not afraid to call her out when she's in the wrong. Why must you charge fans for a meet and greet? (Friday 8 April 2016; 18:16)

Tinna from Finland (61,149) by Giovanni from USA The fact that you apologized to Juan shows what kind of person you are. You are a sweetheart, who in no way needed to apologize. There was nothing you posted that was offensive or disrespectful. You felt cheated and it's completely understandable. I for one wasn't here for that long and boring post Juan posted. It was a hot mess. I'm so sorry your meet and greet did not go as you planned. (Friday 8 April 2016; 18:06)

Re: Meet and greet (61,144) (61,148) by Billy from Greece I don't think it's Mariah per se that charges. I think it has to do more with the promoters and the variety of packages they offer to make more money, so I don't think Mariah can say let's make a free meet and greet. Surely, Mariah can give her consent or not. But I think these types of tickets are a relatively recent trend, and is probably connected to touring companies. But it is weird when all you want is just a little time with your idol because you get just a glimpse of the backstage madness in this industry. And the fact that it involves such huge amounts of money kinda ruins the "innocent" drive that brought you there in the first place, which is (I guess for a lot of people) pure love of music and of an artist, and you may feel like that magic is lost since it is all about the logistics. That being said, I think the best opportunities to meet an artist of her caliber is through contests and through luck to be honest. When you get too close, the myth you have been building for years may fall apart. (Friday 8 April 2016; 18:01)

Article: Mariah Carey skips "American Idol" finale (61,147) by Dennis from Miami, FL Bravo Mariah. You have nothing to do with this lousy show anymore. We don't know them. (Friday 8 April 2016; 17:41)

"Hero" in Riga (61,146) by Billy from Greece The bridge in this performance is everything. (Friday 8 April 2016; 17:37)

Infinity (61,145) by B from USA I also love Infinity. I never understood the hatred some have for it. (Friday 8 April 2016; 17:04)

Meet and greet (61,144) by Billy from England, UK I think the meet and greet should be free. I mean if I was rich and famous I wouldn't be charging people a lot of money. You know she is a millionaire, they do say the more they get the more they want, us fans been buying her songs for years and years. She should think about that and remember what it was like not to have much. (Friday 8 April 2016; 16:34)

Andrew and the Master Saga (61,143) by Edward from USA Andrew and Eric, I completely agree with both yours posts. Had Juan Manuel from Spain told his story and what it meant to him meeting Mariah, I would've had a little bit more respect for him, even though I thought it was very unnecessary to go into such details to justify Mariah, make Tiina look like a heartless ass, and make him look like he deserved more from the meet and greet because of what he had gone through. Reading Juan story strangely didn't make me feel anything, and I must admit I usually relate to sad stories like his, they usually make me sympathetic, and I'm also very compassionate. I didn't feel anything because for him to have gone through all that, he didn't show any compassion toward Tiina. He was like: Tiina, get over it. I don't know you personally and I don't care about your feelings, but I have a sad story to tell and I'm more important and much more of a fan that you'll ever be. Tina got a new dress, and got dolled up for that moment, but it wasn't free, she paid what would be considered an arm and a leg to meet her idol, she shouldn't be treated as vain or heartless for that. I would be ashamed if I had to look for sympathy by showing a missing leg or missing teeth to draw attention or to myself, at least that's what I get from his post. Tina, I do also think you deserved much more than an effing rushed picture. As simple as that, and don't let anybody make you feel ashamed. You paid for a meet and greet, and you got cheated. I hope someone from Mariah's team is reading this board and make arrangement to give Tiina what she rightfully deserved, at least a decent picture. (Friday 8 April 2016; 16:06)

Re: Thank you for understanding (61,140) (61,142) by Bill from the UK Tiina, we love you, you've done nothing wrong. (Friday 8 April 2016; 15:59)

South America (61,141) by Carlos from Brazil So apparently Mariah is going to South America with the Sweet Sweet Fantasy Tour. I can't believe. I'm already crying without the confirmation so I'll try to be cool. Mimi we're waiting you in Brasil. She is probably going to say her portuguese catchphrase "Olá, como vai" witch means: Hi, how are you. She said that in the Watch What Happens Live. (Friday 8 April 2016; 15:42)

Thank you for understanding (61,140) by Tiina from Finland Thank you Martyn and the webmaster for understanding my point. And I'm sorry to have brought more negativity on this board. [Webmaster: Please don't feel sorry. It's a good thing you told us about the meet and greet, so other fans won't get disappointed.] (Friday 8 April 2016; 15:38)

Andrew (61,139) by Tiina from Finland Thank you for understanding my point. I actually got teary because of Juan's post. I was wrong for assuming that they filmed him in another set up for the documentary and I apologize for that. But the things Juan said to me really hurt my feelings. I was there because of my love for Mariah. We had all been praying and preparing for that moment. And I'm sorry for going on and on about money but I'm pretty sure most of us do not have 700 euros lying around for nothing. Definitely not me. Shouldn't it go without saying that since we all paid for it, we should all get equal treatment? Of course. But I thought it was just pure luck on Juan's part that he got to spend more time with Mariah, not because he was manipulative or anything like that. I thought we were standing in line in a completely random order. And I had no idea about the awful things Juan's been through in his life. When he came out, all I could understand of him in passing was that he had spent time with Mariah and that it was amazing, which I'm sure it was. I congratulated him and told him I was excited for him as he passed me. That's all we communicated to each other that night. He wasn't even directly speaking to me as there were other fans on the scene. Anyway, this whole thing has once again turned into a big mess on this board and I feel bad about it. I should have just kept it to myself, I guess. (Friday 8 April 2016; 15:25)

Juan / Tiina (61,138) by Martyn from England, UK As is usually the case, I'm with Andrew on this one. Juan, I'm sorry to hear you've not had the greatest life, but your post was completely cringeworthy and unnecessary. Tiina, you are well within your rights to feel the way you do, and please don't let people on this board make you feel any worse. (Friday 8 April 2016; 15:06)

Re: Meet and greets confusions be clear people (61,123) (61,137) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands Maybe I will get crucified for this post, but I have to write it anyway. Juan Manuel Benabu from España, I feel sorry that you're sick and got violated twice. But why did you tell this to Mariah and everyone on this messageboard (and in such details)? So that Mariah and us might like you better? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you almost sound proud of being sick, so you get a lot more privileges than the other fans do. And attacking other fans because they feel cheated is just wrong. Because you're sick doesn't mean that Tiina should feel ashamed because she was robbed of so much money. I always have the feeling that the less fortunate among us have more compassion with others, but with you I get the feeling you feel superior to the rest of us. I really hope I'm wrong. (Friday 8 April 2016; 14:48)

Re: The PR problem (61,135) (61,136) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands I do agree with Andrew (yes, miracles do happen) and Tiina. If you pay a lot of money (and I think 700 euro is really a lot of money) for a ticket, or if you are a fan from the beginning and spend tens of thousands euro on CD's and singles (like I did), Mariah hardly has any time for you. But if you have a sad story, Mariah takes her time (and you don't even have to be a real fan). Maybe listening to a sad story is good for television, but the die-hard fans will be left with a bad taste in their mouth. But this goes for almost every celebrity. Being sick or having a sad story will give you more chance to meet your idol than loving your idol to death and spending a lot of money on them. Fortunately, I've met Mariah in person once, although I had to wait because she was six hours late. The security guy then told us we couldn't touch her. When it was my turn, I just touched her anyway and she didn't mind. (Friday 8 April 2016; 14:35)

The PR problem (61,135) by Andrew from UK Tiina's point was perfectly valid and she did nothing wrong. She paid a lot of money and felt ripped off, but, for obvious reasons, caved in to the guilt trip from that poster. I trust I'll get my ass kicked for this by the usual but I don't much care: lots of people have a sob-story or tragic period in their history. Just because some people shove it down other people's throats doesn't buy them a free pass. In fact, after that guy's story, I kinda now understand and respect why Mariah keeps her distance from the general populous. I was cringeing just reading it. I guess hundreds of people demanding your attention through sympathy (lest you look heartless) would be inescapable and pretty draining (especially if you're already knackered). And probably, in certain cases, certain people can come across a little wacko. I think Nathalia was sort of right in that Mariah is too big, now, to be concerned with individuals. I think maybe it would be much better PR-wise for Mariah's meet-and-greets to be competition based to remove the feeling of individuals being cheated when they're so short, and for her social media to be controlled by her and not by members of her team to remove the feeling of everyone else being cheated. (Friday 8 April 2016; 14:13)

To be fair (61,134) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Could Mariah put in a little more effort during meet and greets? Sure. Can her falling short of that in any way be valid grounds to hold her against her constant utterance of the phrase "doing it for the fans"? Sure. Is she the only artist who does this, though? She isn't. Should that excuse her? No. But we can't paint her or her team as people who deliberately rip fans off either. That makes them heartless monsters, and Mariah isn't like that, despite being the savvy businesswoman that she is. I'm sorry for fans who feel that they didn't get their money's worth. To some degree, I understand how it feels like to save up for something and feel let down. But at the end of the day this is Mariah we're talking about. The same woman whose music brought us all here in the first place. (Friday 8 April 2016; 13:44)

Re: Emotions (61,125) (61,133) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines True. Other singers may hit those high notes effortlessly while current Mariah has to lower the key, but even then, only she can give it the sense of urgency and extra oomph. The fact that she wrote it and understands how it came about in the first place makes the difference. (Friday 8 April 2016; 13:13)

Re: Infinity (61,120) (61,132) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Theory: I feel like it wouldn't be as hated if it actually reached #1. That may not make sense, I know, but if a song is a hit, it's gonna spark some herd mentality. Eventually people are gonna be curious as to why or how it accomplished such feat. That sense of intrigue may slowly help the song grow on some people. And that can be infectious. For instance, Rihanna is Rihanna and her releases may be guaranteed success on hype alone because she still is hot stuff. But a song like Work is definitely acquired taste, and seriously, who could have expected it to stay that long atop the charts? How? Herd mentality. Once a song tops the charts, it could pique your interest long enough to come to like it. If that happened to Infinity, we may not necessarily have warmed up to it, but we would have appreciated it because it was her 19th #1. (Friday 8 April 2016; 13:08)

Re: Meet and greets confusions be clear people (61,123) (61,131) by Bill from the UK Egg hair? (Friday 8 April 2016; 13:03)

To Juan, an apology (61,130) by Tiina from Finland Dear Juan, I never meant to offend you and I feel terrible that I did. I want to apologize to you, I'm very sorry. I hope you can forgive me for wrongfully assuming things. You seemed like a bubbly, fun person and I was genuinely happy for you when you came out so excited and I congratulated you. This is none of your fault at all. You were there as a fan like we all were. I guess you thought that I was saying you were being calculative or manipulative by standing last in line? Absolutely not. As far as I knew the line was formed randomly. I just assumed that Mariah's team chose the last person in line for the documentary because it was convenient. I didn't learn about your story until now. Hearing about your message makes me glad you were the one chosen to be featured in the documentary, honestly, your message deserves to be heard and I'm still excited for you. But, you see, we all deserved at least to have a successfully taken picture because we paid for it. And no, it's not just about the money but certainly it does matter after paying 700 euros just for the ticket. My point in bringing up buying a new dress and getting my hair and makeup done is not to boast but to just share how much I had been preparing for that special moment and for that picture that I so wanted to turn out good because meeting Mariah meant everything to me and I wanted it to be memorable because it was one of the highlights of my life. I don't think that makes me a bad person or a diva. I'm extremely thankful to my family for helping me financing the experience because I couldn't have done it without their support. I'm also very, very grateful to have had the opportunity to meet Mariah. That is a huge blessing and unfortunately some of the biggest lambs never get to do that because it's so expensive. I was just disappointed that we were being rushed through the whole thing and that they couldn't wait just a couple seconds for me to get positioned. Most of us spent only such a brief moment with Mariah that it went by in a blink of an eye and I wasn't the only one who was upset. I was talking to another fan there when you came out and she told me that she had been a lamb since 1994, dreaming of this moment ever since she was 12, and she was shocked that it only lasted some seconds for the money she spent on the ticket and because she thought she'd get to talk with Mariah. But we both agreed that we were still happy to have been part of it. Anyway, I don't even feel like discussing it anymore. What happened, happened. Juan, I wish you all the best now and in the future, and I mean it. Stay strong, my friend. (Friday 8 April 2016; 12:57)

Re: Meet and greets confusions be clear people (61,123) (61,129) by darrian liu from taiwan Umm not to disturb anything, but Marissa's post was directed to Andrew. (Friday 8 April 2016; 12:28)

Re: Meet and greet mess (61,103) (61,127) by Liz Archer from Sweden In a way I understand what you mean and I think it is a shame. I think it's the wrong formula. What she really should do is like a book or conference signing. Have people come to her to give an autograph and take a photo with the person in line. That way the person has a chance to speak to her shortly and get a real photo but understand she can't speak with you for 5 minutes since others are also in line. Many tv celebs do that in these fan gatherings and those pics can be quite funny. (Friday 8 April 2016; 11:00)

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