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Re: Like golden petals scattering (56,765) (56,770) by Travon..SweetSweetFantasy from USA Mariah doesn't need direction. Whatever goals she has, she does it on her own accord. The issue is media has been trying to make her a villain since the turn of a century. Fans have moved on but they are still around. They have not left. Remember this Mariah could have 5,000,000+ fans but only 250,000 buy her music when new material is released. A big part is the lack of promotion. We all saw how well #Beautiful did when it had sufficent airplay. The other part is how society currently views a powerful individual held to a pedestal. They don't like talking about the same person, all the time already. Add over 20 years of inconsistent and different Mariah Carey's to the mix, watch out. I admit Mariah can be divaish and corny but that makes her real. People like her because she doesn't idolize the trends of the music industry. She isn't this poster child for LA Reid like the group TLC. She does her own thing and moves on. I like her becoming a 360 artist with touring, directing, residencies, game of war, Christmas. Music and media. I don't care if she is worth over 500 million dollars, there is nothing fake or divaish about giving fans and media something else to talk about. Music has become her house and she is expanding her brand to a mansion. Repairs and upkeep expected and needed. Difficulty not expected but if it happens, you still own the mansion. (Sunday 20 September 2015; 5:46)

There For Me (56,769) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I still get chills everytime I listen to her vocals on this song. I was listening to it tonight, and I'm always struck by how much I love it. Although included on the Never Too Far/Hero single, to me its so reminiscent of the Daydream album and has such a spiritual significance (for me anyway.) I always feel moved after hearing it. Her voice is so beautiful. (Sunday 20 September 2015; 4:52)

Re: Bone Thugs N Harmony (56,766) (56,768) by B from USA I don't know what happened either. I would love to hear another Mariah and Bone Thugs N Harmony collaboration. (Sunday 20 September 2015; 2:18)

Bone Thugs N Harmony (56,766) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I absolutely love Mariah's collaborations with Bone Thugs N Harmony. They just go so well together. "Breakdown" is one of my favorite MC songs of all time and I absolutely adore "Li'l L.O.V.E.". That's why I was excited to hear the new collaboration that was supposedly happening between the two. Does anyone know what happened to that? The song was supposed to be on BTNH's album which was supposed to be their last album ever (?) I think. (Sunday 20 September 2015; 1:35)

Re: Like golden petals scattering (50,086) (56,765) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End This post of dear Andrew from February 15th of this year has 15 likes: "The media has 'turned' against Mariah." The bleatings of the lambs continue. Almost every message on this board about why things aren't going well for Mariah is about *other* people doing things *to* poor, perfect Mariah. This is delusion wrapped in a fantasy designed to profligate the idea that Mariah is a victim (cross fingers for new victim song). The media is going to vilify anyone caught out for faking, especially if it's in such a public way and especially if it's by someone who has acted like a stuck-up diva for ten years in re: attitude and tardiness. Why would they give her a break? She controls her own career, she has cast off anyone who could have provided direction over the past decade and she arrogantly thinks she can do this (which she has done several times) when she is on top as if she belongs there of her own accord, pity everyone who worked to get her there. The problem? It's not Nick, it's not Tommy, it's not Luis, it's not the media, it's not Ariana, it's not Nicki. It's Mariah. Her decisions, her attitude, her unprofessionalism, her arrogance, her amateurism. Stop blaming everyone else. NB I can predict the future, wait, hark, can you hear: "You're so mean. Why do you even come here. You're this pathetic label I'm recycling." It's the bloody truth. The media print what they think the public will buy. If it can buy Mariah being a joke it's because she acts like one. She not a star anymore. Grammy? They understandably didn't want the association." Andrew is a joke and his sycophants are obviously not here to support Mariah. Just look at his own contradictory statements: "Petals (56,727) by Andrew from UK" on September 17th. He doesn't even remember what he posts as long as it's derogatory towards Mariah or any of us LAMBS. He doesn't care to keep any continuity in his own posts. I've rarely seen such blatant and complete lack of integrity. But that's also why I hope Andrew stays for a long long long time because that would amuse me in ways I can't begin to explain. I could very easily, make this a weekly event because unlike Andrew, my memory is elephantine. Once I have a good zingy title there really won't be a reason not to. So don't anybody scare him or his friends off just yet, I need him here to provide fresh material. (Sunday 20 September 2015; 1:34)

MC praises (56,764) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter It's nice to see current hot artists giving shout outs to Mariah or acknowledging her influence. Within this week Katy Perry gave a very public shout out to Mariah (which was well documented) and acknowledged her influence. Then we have Justin Bieber who was asked during a radio interview about who his favourite female artist is and he said Mariah Carey (which I will admit was a bit surprising for me because I did not expect it, but I was pleasantly surprised and happy). He did say even before that growing up, Mariah's music has been a big influence. I see a lot of people take Katy's comment of "sit back and enjoy" (or something like that) as a shade and honestly I don't think it's shady at all, sometimes fans just stir up rumors. Plus I find it funny that people are pissed that Katy talked about Mariah's influence. Like why? If she felt that she needed to give a shout out to Mariah it is completely her prerogative, it doesn't matter if people think some other artist had a bigger influence, Katy isn't speaking for everyone, she is speaking for herself. Same with Justin. I saw a lot of comments about why the hell did he say Mariah and not Beyonce or Ariana and I am like what is this even about? His influence, his favorite, his choice, he can name whoever the heck he wants. I swear if these shout out were to Beyonce or Taylor or anyone apart for Mariah, they wouldn't get such hate. Anyways people can stay pissed, Mariah's impact is undeniable and she is, I think the most copied artist of all time. From the use of melisma, whistle register, cut out jeans to them blinged out microphones, MC has been an influence in everything. Haters gonna hate, but Mariah's gonna get paid. (Sunday 20 September 2015; 1:31)

Re: The newbies (56,749) (56,763) by B from USA Nice try. I welcome the newbies and look forward to reading their posts but I'm not going to stop posting. (Sunday 20 September 2015; 0:56)

Billboard article about Katy Perry and Mariah (56,762) by B from USA I read the article and the comments. The comments are divided. Some commenters say Mariah's impact is undeniable and others say she has made no impact at all. It's 50/50. Most posters say Madonna has made more of an impact and I have to disagree. Mariah's collaboration with ODB is the blue print every Pop song featuring a rapper is based on. Madonna no, Janet influence is felt more than Madonna's. Madonna's impact was felt in the early 2000's through Britney until Britney and Justin started working with R&B and Hip-hop artists. (Sunday 20 September 2015; 0:43)

Re: Faded (56,758) (56,761) by B from USA The singles from MIAMTEC should have been #Beautiful, Dedicated, Make It Look Good, and Meteorite. I love Faded but I think it would have performed similarly to YM(E). MIAMTEC is a musical masterpiece that deserves to be heard. (Saturday 19 September 2015; 21:58)

Re: Faded (56,758) (56,760) by Luke from United Kingdom It is a beautiful song, up there with her best in my opinion. The ending is so heartbreaking though. I'm glad she's with someone more mature now and hope it lasts. (Saturday 19 September 2015; 21:51)

Re: Faded (56,758) (56,759) by Malcolm from Asia Me too, I just love Faded so much. I think they really planned it to be a single but because of unfortunate events that time, it didn't push through. I will not complain if MC will put Faded in her next album, I think it will be nice. It will be similar on what she did in "Betcha Gon' Know" and "It's A Wrap" and she can release it as official single in next era. It's so beautiful that I can't accept the fact that it will not be heard and appreciated by the public. (Saturday 19 September 2015; 20:41)

Faded (56,758) by enwar00 from usa Faded is one of my favorite MC songs of all time. I just love it so much. It somehow hits all the rights spots and makes me feel good. Like relaxed. Sometimes I play it over and over and don't even get sick of it. Like right now. I literally woke up a half hour ago and haven't gotten out of bed yet and it was the first thing that popped in my head, and I guess I'm feeling what's in the song. I just tried bringing something back to life recently but I think I was defeated once and for all. Thought I'd share about the song, sorry if it was tmi. (Saturday 19 September 2015; 18:17)

5 Questions to MC (56,757) by Musti from UK 1) During your earlier years before you branched out to do "your own thing", did you practice opera with your mom and if so were there any arias or lieder in particular you enjoyed singing? 2) What secret of Eminem are you referring to in Clown? 3) What did really go down between you and Lauryn Hill so that Crystal Ball was never recorded? 4) Will you ever release all those songs you've recorded which never made it to any of your albums? 5) Do you have a target age after which you'd like to retire from singing? (Saturday 19 September 2015; 15:32)

Bad Blood: The hijacking of The Elusive Chanteuse (56,756) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End So I'm online, minding Mariah's business, right? And what do I come across but some broadband moron hijacking The Elusive Chanteuse moniker for their own, often times, lesser fave? I wouldn't have made much of it except it wasn't the first time I'd seen it and not even the same performer. But I'm nothing if not a faux scientist so of course I set out to prove myself wrong. I think you all know where this is going but long story short I found not one, not two, but countless instances of bloggers, "journalists", random posters etc misappropriating "The Elusive Chanteuse" phrase to: in no particular order; JLo (in Spanish), Nelly Furtado, Rihanna and Janet Jackson (real? and true?), Lana Del Rey, Jennifer Hudson, Britney, Alanis Morisette, Jennifer Lawrence, Beyonce and Sia (both many several times over), Ariana Grande (in Portuguese no less), Taylor Swift, Leona Lewis, Vonda Shepard, Nicki Minaj, Xtina, Estelle, Leighton Meester, Madonna, even RuPaul and Buffy The Vampire Slayer were like: Bitch, don't forget about us, we're elusive chanteuses too. Hollah. I didn't even include some singers and actresses (WTF) because I hadn't even ever heard of them before. It's so irksome that one troll couldn't even use the masculine form (chanteur) for MJ in their hurry to dilute Mariah's newest alias. Why do people do this? I thought MIAMTEC was a flop album, yet here goes literally everybody you can Google being called the elusive chanteuse. Wasn't the album title mocked to high heavens and Mariah lambasted for it? Me. I Am Mariah... The Elusive Chanteuse is part of MC's legacy as much as Music Box, Daydream, Butterfly is but it would have been The Art Of Letting Go if some idiot goat hadn't leaked it. In the end it didn't matter one way or another because shameless people are determined to steal from Mariah in broad daylight even her signature idiosyncratic song and album titles. Why is Mariah's hard work and intellectual properties seen as communal wealth and whose camps are behind the charge? That is a rhetorical question BTW. My 2¢. (Saturday 19 September 2015; 14:22)

Re: Mariah's impact (56,741) (56,755) by Bill from the UK What a great post. I remember back in 1995 when the Fantasy remix came out just how left field it was at the time. This was (caps) Mariah Carey (end caps) with Ol' Dirty Bastard. A literal "WTF" moment from everybody. This was the girl who we witnesses running through fields in jean shorts and flannel shirts and wearing long elegant evening gowns whilst singing about heroes and dream lovers. It came completely out of nowhere, and it was brilliant. It is single handedly the most important recording she has ever made. (Saturday 19 September 2015; 9:03)

Katy Perry's shoutout (56,754) by Stella Lewis from USA I thought it was great. I love to see Mariah getting the respect she deserves. Katy totally acknowledged Mariah's influence and legacy in music today. (Saturday 19 September 2015; 7:09)

The Lambily Meeting on YouTube (56,753) by Lee TS from USA Here's a link to the first episode of The Lambily Meeting. You kind of have to be obsessed with Mariah to spend an hour listening to these two lambs "lamb out" and talk all things Mariah. These guys are funny and know everything about Mariah. Like Wendy's saying goes, they're like friends in my head. In episode 5 that's on iTunes, they have a special guest who was an insider at Mariah's 1993 wedding to Tommy. So yeah these boys chat it up, gossip, and even some funny shade with all things related to Mariah. (Saturday 19 September 2015; 4:40)

Andrew the racist (56,752) by 123 from USA It's crazy that you say that you wouldn't ask sycophantic questions when that is exactly what you do when you write your posts. You are the 8th grade kid that sits in the back of the class and hollers out ridiculous comments to get the whole class to chuckle in a desperate attempt for attention. You reply to Mimi L was condescending, but I'm sure you will get 20 likes because that is your ultimate gain. She called you out for making an off colored comment that you disguised as a joke. A joke is just a way to for you to say these disrespectful comments and then claim you are leaving the board when people call you out. I find this funny as you are quick to call people delusional. You then equate "ghetto" with poor quality in regards to Infinity. The song is just bad, period. Shake It Off and ILT used slang and they both charted well here in the States. Mariah was never the "white Whitney" that Tommy made her out to be and airbrushed her to perfection for people like you to be able to relate to. I believe your frustrations come from you being able to relate to her less and less with each year. She's black. (Saturday 19 September 2015; 2:02)

Re: Nice post, Andrew (56,748) (56,751) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I agree, B about feeling like an outsider. Growing up I felt like an outcast. It was Mariah's music and Mariah herself that gave so much comfort. The connection so strong in many songs like "Close my eyes" etc felt as though they were specifically for me. (Saturday 19 September 2015; 1:34)

My 5 questions for Mariah (56,750) by Giovanni from USA 1. Who in your opinion is the best female singer of all time? (I doubt she'd answer it.) 2. If you could go back in time to experience any era in history, which would you pick? 3. Is there anything different you'd like to try in music that you haven't done? 4. "Me I am Mariah" is a great album, what were your expectations of it? Did you think it was going to do better? 5. Last, Ariana Grande. What do you think of her? After I'd tell Mariah thank you for her music and talent. And if she could give us another amazing era. (Saturday 19 September 2015; 0:39)

The newbies (56,749) by Andrew from UK So soon to make a reply. I will back off once more, as I don't want to a self-righteous (don't argue) voice of this board. I've backed off before and I love looking at the posts of those who never really posted here. I would really like to encourage those who don't post, or who click "likes" here to post their opinions. I think some of us dominate. Let's let debate happen between those who visit but don't post. I think more people should join in the debate and I think their voices should be heard. Let's hear them. If you haven't posted here before, but read it, post, post, post. Post your thoughts and feelings, and don't be afraid to do so. And perhaps the regular posters (I absolutely mean myself) should take a short step back. Many people love Mariah and visit this site. I think it would be great to let them opine. We all love each other for loving Mariah, hopefully. Let's let the newbies show their love and voice their opinions? We need new voices. I'm bored of my own. (Saturday 19 September 2015; 0:27)

Re: Nice post, Andrew (56,746) (56,748) by B from USA When I was younger I did idolize Mariah. I was enraptured while watching the Fantasy video for the first time. Outside means more to me than I would ever be able to put into words, I've always felt somewhat out of place everywhere. (Saturday 19 September 2015; 0:08)

Re: Mariah's impact (56,741) (56,747) by B from USA LC, I agree that her impact is undeniable and universal. She will get the credit one day, hopefully while she's still with us. She's iconic and she's still relevant. (Friday 18 September 2015; 23:54)

Nice post, Andrew (56,746) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I enjoyed reading this both for your humor, and for your transparency. Like you, I don't think there is a question I could pose, that wouldn't somehow seem small. If I could spend time with Mariah, I would thank her for her music, and give her a glimpse into the ways, her voice, her albums, and her outlook lifted me through some of my darkest times, made me feel like someone truly understands. Not only that, but given some of my deepest feelings and inspirations a voice. You're posting style actually reminds me a lot of Edward's in terms of frankness, humor and exaggeration. I would never say I idolize Mariah either. She's someone I love and respect. She's someone who has influenced and inspired me throughout my life, but we all make mistakes and miss the mark. There should be room for everybody to be heard here. (Friday 18 September 2015; 22:30)

Re: Mimi L (56,744) (56,745) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Thank you for your response Andrew and I appreciate it. I think I hardly ever call you out but I did feel like writing to ask if that is really the way you wanted to question her. I might have misunderstood your post and for that I apologize. I usually try not to tell people how to behave around or feel about Mariah (I do have opinions, but those are just that). Lord knows I have been called "delusional lamb" and "hater goat" on this same board. I am definitely not one to think Mariah is flawless or blameless in everything. She is human and like everyone else she has her flaws and I call her out when I think she is at fault and then face a lot of hate too lol. I would like to explain that when I wrote "used to" it wasn't to insult you or question your devotion, I just sometimes write like that to cover both sides so that I don't have to write another post in case the person I am writing to gives the "other scenario". I know I am probably not making sense, but everything aside. I didn't mean to insult you or anyone by that post. I also didn't mean to come off like I am questioning your love for Mariah's music, because I did tell you before that I believe you do love her contrary to what people may think by your posts. I feel bad after reading the post you wrote and how you feel about her so yet again, I am sorry. Your posts directed at me has always been respectable and for that I am grateful, and so I have always tried to be respectable towards you. So yes, no hard feelings I hope. (Friday 18 September 2015; 22:19)

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