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Some basic human respect (53,114) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada It is one thing to not like a song, an outfit, an album, to disagree with some choices being made and to voice that constructively and respectfully. But it is another thing to be constantly harping on how Mariah's voice is "shot", her show sucks, she is a joke, she is a raging alcoholic, she is a liar, she should retire, she is too old. Some of the things that get said on here are done without one ounce of respect for her as a human being. I don't think anyone is saying they expect people to like or approve of everything she does. I don't think anyone here is claiming her voice is exactly the way it was in the 90's. Yes things have changed. But how many discussions can there be about it before we accept what we've got an move forward based on that? You know? I really hope I'm not coming across as telling someone "how to be a fan" because I'm really not coming from that place. I'd just like to see less attacking of Mariah, and each other. There's a plethora of that stuff all over the internet. (Friday 8 May 2015; 21:07)

Bill / board (53,113) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I posted the same thing pretty much verbatim on my facebook page about LTT. The debut performances almost made me cry. I'm not saying she's perfect, or agreeing to the blanket statement that lambs look at everything through rose-coulored glasses because I don't believe that it is true. I don't expect people to agree with my opinions, I am not looking for others to validate me, I am not looking to change the views of anyone else I do consider myself a "lamb" although I am sure there are varying definitions on what that means. I do think balance is nice and to be honest lately the collective energy on this site hasn't been that. I am not saying people can't criticize, but I do think it does get lost at times that this website is intended to be a tribute to her. I love her. When you grow up with someone literally being the soundtrack to your life, they become like family (even though you don't know them personally). Sometimes, the comments on here get so intense it's like one should feel bad for being a fan of hers. I won't do that. (Friday 8 May 2015; 20:17)

To stop [...] (53,112) by Nicholas Stigliano from USA All the hair she is wearing on stage is fake. I have pics of her lace to prove it. They aren't poorly made (well maybe just the first one). And if you still don't believe me, just think how would it even be possible to do someone's hair in the 30 seconds she takes to change. They are beautiful if you ask me. (Friday 8 May 2015; 19:48)

Putting in the effort (53,111) by Marissa from USA I have never seen the lambily this outraged by criticism as long as I have been posting on this board, and I think it all comes down to the fact that it is obvious that Mariah really tried for this #1 to Infinity show. She put on a great show and seemed like she was happy to be there from what I have seen. The vocals may not have been 100% perfect during the entire show, but she put in the most effort that I have seen in years. That's all you can ask of a person is to try their best. (Friday 8 May 2015; 19:47)

Infinity video (53,110) by Jamie from UK Does anyone know when the music video is coming out? PS I was at the opening night and she sounded amazing, not always perfect but who is? (Friday 8 May 2015; 19:41)

The queen (53,109) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I am so happy to see this. Mariah makes me so proud. Check this TMZ link out. (Friday 8 May 2015; 19:28)

I don't want to cry - live (53,108) by Ty from USA While the divas of this board bash wigs and gowns and bash Mariah [...], I'm here to say I don't care what nonsense you say. "I don't want to cry" in Vegas gives me everything I need. It's simple, dark, sexy and painful. Well done Mariah. (Friday 8 May 2015; 19:21)

We must climb "Infinity" up to the charts (53,107) by Malcolm from Asia Lambs, stop the negativity, stop the bad vibes on this board. What we must be doing is help streaming and requesting on radio stations so that Infinity can climb up to the charts. We can do it. Help MC bring back her name up to the top 20 of BB and to discover her music of this young generation. I wish MC will release the Infinity MV this week (does anyone have any info of what day MC will release it?) because as we know, T. Swift will premiere her Bad Blood MV next week. I hope Mariah and her team will not release it in same week as Taylor''s because Taylor Swift is undeniably the top artist of this generation. They must know the fact that she cannot compete with Taylor as it will become cheap and a lose-lose situation for MC. I hope Mariah and Taylor will meet at the BB Music Awards and take some photos, it is a very good promotion for Mariah and I wish they will have a collaboration in the future; "90s-00s queen meets the 10s reigning queen of pop music". (Friday 8 May 2015; 18:59)

My only problem in Vegas (53,106) by TheOne from Philippines The stuff that I heard in her first Vegas tour was decent. She really gave an effort and her voice was decent to me. But my only problem is that she doesn't move so much in her performances. She looks stiffed and had a tight corset on. Is that an effect of ageing? It's Vegas dear. I think she must do a bit of dance moves (just like Honey) or a bit of energetic walks and hand gestures. But overall, I really enjoyed the show. This is her most entertaining show for years. I really appreciate of what MC is doing right now. I'm eager to watch her but I can't. Out of 5 stars, I'll give her 3 for now. (Friday 8 May 2015; 18:12)

Vegas Love Takes Time (53,105) by Licia from USA She killed it. I haven't heard her sing that in years and she was on fire. I loved it. I have seen all the clips, but that one is the best. LTT is a hard song and she ran through it with her current voice like a pro. I was proud for her. (Friday 8 May 2015; 17:34)

Ain't no false pretence? (53,104) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End Let's get one thing straight. Not every poster on this board is a certified lamb. It's ridiculous to even think that when it's obvious some of them are not even fans anymore, if in fact they were ever that in the first place, let alone diehard lambs. At least a handful only post so they can quote themselves later in whatever publication or media outlet that was duped into hiring them as writers and opinionaters. Anybody who thinks entertainment press is unbiased is delusional. It's also full of corruption and susceptible to manipulation by various "agendas" and camps. The media at large can be used both as a weapon against somebody/something as well as a buffer or shield. For reference, see TMZ's Harvey Levin: "I just wanna say that there were 'a lot of people' that were saying and telling us, they said that she wasn't ready for this thing, she wasn't rehearsing enough, that it wasn't gonna be good. No, no, what we said was, we were talking to people who were in her camp. Some of them, remember, left. And they said..." The quotes and surrounding convo can be found in this link. The conversation between Harvey and his TMZ staff about Mariah's Vegas dress rehearsal audio starts at 25:00 and ends at 28:00. That entire 3 minute exchange/segment illustrates the above points I've been making since last year. Fritos all around. (Friday 8 May 2015; 17:07)

Musti (53,103) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter This is something I have felt for a long time now. The articles always made me feel like the writers have definitely been sneaking around in the forums. The only time I can buy them actually writing the stories from their own is when MC clearly messes up on stage or like the isolated audio incidents. Other than that 80% of the time, Mariah's fans are unknowingly bringing her down. The articles are usually going to only pick up the negative things posted and then run with it without bothering to fact check or see if other fans are feeling positive. So please, it's fine to criticize here and there but be a little considerate about what you post. I can assure you that MC's team and the hungry media (especially ones trying to bring her down) are always reading what we write especially on this board. So let us not kill our own idol's career. Mariah has made a lot of changes recently some directly from suggestions we all have discussed. Let the lambs not be the reason for Mariah's fall. (Friday 8 May 2015; 16:49)

The wig and the pink dress (53,102) by Elena from The Netherlands The wig didn't really bother me, but it does make her look huge. I like that she started with curls to accompany her songs from the early 90's, I think that was the idea and I like it. That dress does indeed look like a giant fish ate her. I also can't imagine it being comfortable for her and too hot. On the other hand, with 50 shows she's going to wear tons of different dresses I believe, so a few flaws here and there is alright. (Friday 8 May 2015; 16:06)

MC is total control, not the other way around (53,101) by Ardis Logic from Earth It doesn't matter what anyone says here or in the media, it's all up to Mariah. As long as she keeps putting on a great show, the good reviews and fans will keep coming. Everyone here just needs to take a chill pill. Seriously, everything is going to be ok. Mariah is doing awesome. Let's support her with love instead of this petty arguing with each other. Please, snap out of it. (Friday 8 May 2015; 15:00)

Mimi L. (53,100) by Musti from UK I am so glad you posted that about the media lurking on this message and the lambs doing their job for them by backing up their hate with "facts". That's exactly what I meant in my previous post. Everyone is raving about her opening night in Vegas, even her haters. It shouldn't fall down to the lambs to bring her down again. Enough is enough. Give the woman a break. It's ok to be critical but some of you are just vile. (Friday 8 May 2015; 13:39)

The pink dress (53,099) by Luke from United Kingdom I actually like it haha. I wasn't keen on the silver and pink number but the layered one kinda reminded me of something from The Hunger Games, something Effie might wear. Anyway we should be used to Mariah's experimental personality, especially when it comes to her dresses. "I do not think I reinvent myself. Wearing my hair differently or changing my style of dress is playing dress-up. I don't take it too seriously." - MC (Friday 8 May 2015; 13:37)

Debut performances live (53,098) by Bill from the UK I cannot stop watching the performances of the #1s from the debut album. Love Takes Time was breath taking and heart breaking and it was so good to hear it live again after so many years. Someday was sassy, fun, and full of the same amount of energy and gumption as the Unplugged rendition. And as for I Don't Wanna Cry, all I can say is wow. So gritty, so raw, so much emotion. These songs, written in the innocence of youth by a young and determined teenager, now take on a whole new meaning considering poor Mariah's recent circumstances, and that is evident in these incredible performances. In the early days critics said Mariah's voice was impressive but not expressive, now emotion carries each performance. Truly she has mastered and fine tuned her art over the years. What a singer. (Friday 8 May 2015; 12:59)

So we hating on the webmaster now? (53,097) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Really? Like really now? Could the situation have been handled better? Probably. But we can't fault a site owner for reacting to negativity and probably snapping in the process. Let alone a fansite owner for well over a decade. Freedom of speech can only go so far. If we don't like how things are run around here, then we're probably on the wrong site, or better of creating similar sites of our own. We should be happy enough that the webmaster allows us to post a myriad of topics around here, even comments that blur the line between criticism and bashing. Since this is a fan site, admiration should always, always outweigh criticism on this board. Because more of the latter messes with the balance and overall vibe of the site and renders it pointless, not to mention uninviting to new fans. Negativity - that is what the rest of the internet is for, so why dump an excess of it here. Thank you, webmaster, for creating a site that has been a home for a lot of lambs for a long time. (Friday 8 May 2015; 12:08)

Giving Mariah a break? (53,096) by JC from UK Ive just watched a few clips of her first night in Vegas and must say she did well. She tried so hard on Someday and she still got it, just inconsistent I guess. Gotta give credit to her where its due though. Ive come to accept that the climax of WBT will never be live haha. But I do want to say one thing, I've seen comments on YT that people, lambs or not, should give her a break for not singing the 20+ year old songs perfectly and to give her time to get into it. Sorry, isn't that what rehearsals and vocal training is for? I would personally accept it if it was for a one off performance on national TV but this is a residency and something more important, if not the most important. Id like to think opening nights are the only chance you get to attract more audiences, not to progress throughout the show. In that case, would it be better to buy tickets to her later shows then? I'm happy with the way Vegas has gone for her, she's clearly becoming more confident with her voice. (Friday 8 May 2015; 12:04)

Oh what has happened to the lamb-dom (53,095) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter When shows like Wendy Show and TMZ (two shows that have consistently dissd her for years now) and even the GP start to rave about Mariah and her show while her fans keep tearing MC apart, I think we can say we have hit rock bottom. I was waiting for Wendy to say "but" and add a snide comment to compensate for all the praises, but she didn't, instead she went on to rave about her outfits, her body and her confidence with her body and her voice. Even going as far as to say that MC probably cracked her voice on purpose all these months to fool people which lead to discussions about her. Now while we know MC did have vocal problems a while back so the struggles weren't on purpose, but still at least a semi-hater is coming up with excuses to suggest that her voice was never gone. (Friday 8 May 2015; 11:51)

Media catching on the tricks (53,094) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Well of course they will catch up. No, not because they observed her and found out, but because they lurk in Mariah fan forums and since some fans write all her tricks down in such vivid details, you all make their works really simple. I swear, I feel 80% of the times, everything bad caught on about MC is because her own fans details those in fan sites. I didn't read the NYT articles because I heard it's really harsh, but I can bet the cushion on my couch that they read a fan's post and picked up on this. Because no non-fan would know this. They covered whatever back up or lip sync was used very well this time so it seems seamless. (Friday 8 May 2015; 11:22)

The costume struggles (53,092) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Abraham, pancho and pinata, I almost spit out my coffee laughing at that. Lee TS, I so agree with you about the wig. With so many great wigs out there, they chose the most fake looking one. Team Mariah needs to contact us ASAP. (Friday 8 May 2015; 11:17)

Re: Eric (53,079) (53,091) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands Remember, this is a fansite for Mariah Carey. I have this website because I love her. I don't mind if you critizice things she sings, does or wears, but if you insult her, I will get pissed. So no, I won't apologize to MC1985 and other fans who always criticize everything she does, instead they should apologize to Mariah for always being so negative. It makes me sad that some fans leave this website because the mood is always so negative. It's like Mariah can do no good to some "negas" ("negas" are people who are always negative, just like "haters" are people who hate everything Mariah does). So in the future, if you insult Mariah, your message won't get posted. If you critize her, that's OK, but the criticism has to be fair. E.g. you may say you don't like Infinity, but if you call Mariah a cheater, your message will be deleted. Freedom of speech is a good thing, unless it hurts others. (Friday 8 May 2015; 10:18)

Outfits / Mariah's voice (53,090) by Ethan from United States I'm glad that some people here thought the pink dress is hideous. In fact, both are. Mariah has a blue dress in there and I don't know when she is going to switch it up. If you look at the ABC segment, you saw it in her closet. There's an IG pic of it as well during dress rehearsal. For her voice, fans like myself are not delusional. We did't say her voice is like the 90s. No one really sounds exactly the same since they started, especially for Mariah who sings very hard and technical. We have acknowledged that she can still sing. Not a 100% but at least 70% and 80-90% on good days. She's been touring for most of her albums so she's on the road. Unlike other artists, they haven't sang for a while or gone on tour so don't even compare them to Mariah. In addition, the NY Times review was kind of bullying and mean. The Guardian review was fair and gave constructed criticism. Now that's the difference. In addition, most of the critics have not really followed her tours. I think. I think she's damaged her voice a bit after the Charmbracelet tour. It was very extensive and she sang hard. She hasn't been singing that way since TEOM tour. She sings all her old songs sound a bit huskier and lower. The only best version of VOL since 90s is her performance of it on BET in 2005. In the end, most reviews are fair and positive except for one so far. Overall, she can still sing. Also, it's so much different being in-person at the theatre than watching clips on IG and YouTube. It's true. (Friday 8 May 2015; 9:45)

Beautiful angel (53,089) by David F from Mexico Mariah has great reviews from Mirror, ABC etc, but the main thing is to understand she is there working like any other person, doing what she likes, ''singing''. It's her escape maybe to her personal troubles. A big artist like her needs to feel the connection with the people but directly, you know the applause and hear them singing along. She is a musician too, so she is super sensitive otherwise could never had written her big songs like Hero or ''Trough the Rain. And she seems tired of always fighting people her entire life for the reasons we all know. It's not easy to remain in these musical business, so she is trying to bring something she thinks we may like. I think radio plays are very important to call somebody's attention but from what I see it's obvious the money it's what turns them on. I miss the old days when a hit was based upon talent, big voice artists or at least good melodies. I said this because I lived in Anaheim a big period of time, I remember entering those records stores full of CDs, buying the singles and then the album. Those feelings are unique, people have changed so much, something way darker is ruling the world. Let's enjoy Mariah as she still is with us. (Friday 8 May 2015; 9:36)

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