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What's going on? (51,464)
by Abraham from USA
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All these nostalgia stories are great but where's the promotion for Vegas? It's less than a month from stage time and nothing. Are tickets even sold out?
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 23:12)
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Nick and Mariah (51,463)
by Jared from USA
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This subject has been stewing in my head for a while now, and I just want to vent a little bit. Not at Mariah nor at Nick, but at the lambs/fans who feed the flames of gossip mongering on this board. I know that as devoted fans, we feel a strong connection or bond with Mariah. Some identify so strongly with her, to the point that they feel like they "know" her. Some clearly feel very protective of her, so much so that anyone who seems to cross her in any way suddenly becomes a target and the subject of nasty remarks (ahem, Nick Cannon). Let's be real and let's be honest: we don't know jack. Unless you are in her inner circle and you have facts that are not publicly known, you are delusional if you think you "know" what's going on. I never really liked Nick, but Mariah is a grown woman and her own person. I don't think she was hoodwinked, though of course, I can't deny that possibility. In any case, name-calling and lambasting Nick is kind of distasteful given that we don't really (emphasis) know what happened in their marriage. When I read some of the posts about Nick, I feel like Andrew is right to say that reason and sanity has fled this board.
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 19:35)
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Nostalgic album (51,462)
by Jared from USA
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I was born in '85, so when Mariah made her debut, I wasn't aware of any of it. I was more into Thundercats, He-Man and Ninja Turtles. I think I started singing at age 6, just singing along to cassette tapes I had, which were mostly Disney songs. I was marginally aware of some pop music as a kid. For instance, Whitney's smash cover of "I Will Always Love You" was inescapable. I'm sure I heard Mariah songs here and there, but I truly became aware of her during the Butterfly era. I was a high school freshman. I remember watching MTV (back when they mostly only played music videos) and seeing the Honey video. I was mesmerized. My mom was in the same room, and I remember her saying, "she's so beautiful". I heard the entire album soon after while carpooling with a friend who was very into R&B back then. I was more of a Showtunes guy at the time. Lol. "Butterfly" the album is hypnotic, and I loved the melodies and harmonies so much that I bought a cassette tape (later, a CD). My favorite album is "Butterfly", sonically and lyrically, but the album that truly makes me nostalgic is "Rainbow". While I didn't love all the tracks, I was truly taken by Mariah's provocative transformation. I was still in high school and one of my close friends was - and still is - a huge lamb. So we found ourselves constantly talking about her, watching her videos, checking sites like Mariah Daily, mcarey.com, and MCArchives. Rainbow just evokes some great memories of that time. 
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 19:14)
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Nostalgia (51,460)
by Warren from Trinidad & Tobago
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I remember playing with my friends and having a great time with the radio being on. While we were all in the middle of our games VOL came on the radio and immediately I stopped because I couldn't believe what I was hearing. As the song progressed and then to the high note I was in such disbelief and was totally transfixed. Being from a small Caribbean Island, we had no computers or internet back then and so I had to go home and get on the landline and call the radio station to find out who was that. From that moment I was lambily for life. 1990 baby. From the very beginning.
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 17:49)
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Nostalgia (51,458)
by Mara from United States
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I remember it was the summer of 1990 and my sister got the VOL single cassette. The first time I heard it, I stole the tape off her and that was it. She was amazing, exotic, vocal ability beyond anything on the radio. I was 14 and always was a singer and loved Whitney. Well when Mariah came out that was it. We both had the brown eyes and long curly hair and similar cheeks. When Emotions came out I remember coming home from the record store and going up to my room with my headphones so I could hear everything and reading along to all the lyrics. I did this with every MC album on its release date that followed. I would try to emulate all her looks, sing her songs. I feel like I grew up with her. All here songs related to something in my life, be it a boy I liked in high school, to getting ready to give up at something. She was always there. Whenever it was a Friday night, my ritual was take a shower and "do my hair and makeup" to a hot MC song. She would always get me going and had that feel good vibe. My friends could not enter my car when we would go driving around without having to listen to MC. Another memory I have is Daydream came out on a Tuesday October 3 and I was pregnant with my son and he was due October 4. I made my was down to the record store 9 months pregnant to buy it like I always did on release day so I could read the lyrics along while listening. My son was born the next day and the song When I Saw You just fit that moment. Butterfly came out in the fall as did a lot of MC's earlier albums. I remember always playing that while driving to hayrides or looking at the leaves changing colors. Butterfly always takes me back to that time. There are so many more memories with her other albums. I just love her, there is nobody like her. Her music helped me get through so much as all of us. My Saving Grace and FLAB helped me when my husband and I were told we couldn't have any kids together. I felt like giving up and breaking down, and we met a doctor that really helped us. Miracles happen and we have a daughter. MC's songs always comforted me and she always seemed to have one song off of every album that just fit my situation perfectly at that same time in my life. 
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 17:15)
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Nostalgia (51,455)
by Dove from USA
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There are so many nostalgic moments but the ones that came to mind after reading all of yours is this one. I remember the first time I saw the video of Anytime You Need A Friend on TV I was 11. We had one of those big console TVs that are wood and sit on the floor. I was sitting on the floor super close to the TV so that I could change the channel if I didn't like the song because we had lost the remote control. Also because I have a lot of siblings and there was always a lot of noise at my house. This is kind of personal but I'm going to disclose so that the story is complete. My dad went through a period where he drank a lot (this is probably why I don't drink) and he was verbally abusive to my older brother and to me especially when we didn't do our chores but sometimes it would get more personal. My older brother is 2 years older than me. I think my dad could sense that he was gay because he used to call him a faggot. My brother had a plan since he was 10 years old to leave home and he did. He left home at 15, graduated high school at 16 (at the top of his class), and went to college. He didn't speak to anyone in our family except for me (online) for years. But back to 1994: my dad called me terrible names, too, that I don't want to repeat because I'll start crying, but he called me names because I was a little bit chubby. Looking back at pictures of myself back then, I was not that big, but in my mind I was unsightly, and I think his bullying led to an eating disorder that I struggled with for a long time. My mom went through a depression at the time. She couldn't do much because she had always been a stay at home mom and wife and my dad made all the money. My mom didn't speak English (my dad did), she had a bunch of kids, my grandma and aunt lived next door but my dad owned that house too, so there was nowhere to escape to. My mom would have us clean right when we got home from school so that he wouldn't be angry when he came home from work, we would pray that he would be in a good mood, and God would heal him from his alcoholism. I think that's another reason I sat so close to the TV so that I could turn it off when I heard his car pull up and run to my room. Anyway I have two friends who lived on our street back then that I've been friends with since we were 4 or 5. We would have falling outs but always make up. We got into a little fight and they went away for the summer without us making up. I had heard the song AYNAF before because my aunt next door had the CD and I used to listen to it but when a song has a video it gives it a new life. I remember I cried watching it. I think it was everything that was going on in my life and seeing her look so sad and lonely in the beginning but so happy and free in the end. I thought, if she can be so perfect and happy I can too. Someday I'll be free and beautiful and happy. I would pretend Mariah Carey was my best friend. All of her songs and albums have a connection to my life. But that one I had forgotten about until right now. I'm not trying to be all "woe is me" my first job after college was at Child Protective Services, so I know some people have had way worse childhoods, but when you're a little kid and you feel unloved and not good enough it's still painful.
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 16:55)
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Nostalgia part 3 (51,454)
by Bill from the UK
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So it's now Christmas 1994. Everybody at school is talking about AIWFCIY, and how good it is, but I haven't heard it yet. Due to the string of ballads released from Music Box, I assumed it would be a slow song. I switched the radio on one night after school, and it came in at the bridge to AIWFCIY, although I didn't realise it was Mariah at the time. I remember thinking that the "hey yeah" ad-lib after the "everyone is singing" line sounded very Mariah-y, and then when the final verse ended and she sang the "all I want for Christmas" part, I felt my blood run cold and I jammed my finger on the "record" button (I always kept an emergency blank tape in the stereo), not caring what I was taping over. I stayed up all night switching stations trying to catch a glimpse of it again, and thankfully heard it twice more across different shows and was able to record it. I remember coming home from school one night and my lovely mum had bought me the cassette single as a surprise, I was over the moon, and loved the black and white picture of her in the sleigh. Then during the last few days of school before the Christmas break, one of my friends brought the album in and I spent the whole day listening to it on my Walkman, avoiding the festivities. The teacher came up to me and asked if I was okay, and I said I was perfectly happy sitting by myself listening to the album. Finally got my copy for Christmas (on Boxing Day from my aunt and uncle).
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 16:39)
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Such a good mom (51,453)
by Ardis Logic from Earth
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I just think it says a lot about Mariah that she is putting her personal feelings aside and making an effort to bring the kids together with their father on holidays. It takes a strong, mature woman to do that. It shows how much she really loves her babies. Divorce is such an ugly sad thing for everyone involved but especially the little ones. Dispite all the rumors it's good to see that.
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 15:39)
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Nostalgia part 2 (51,452)
by R&B Junkie from Poland
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First song I've heard from MC was Without You, I was 7 then, my cousin would play the song repeatedly when we were on winter holiday. Then, in 1995, my dad brought Daydream home-recorded cassette from his job mate (I managed to buy the original CD 8 years later). Fantasy, OSW, Forever and Melt Away were my favorite songs at that time. Then I forgot about Mariah. And in 1999 I fell in love with Heartbreaker. Damn, this was superfantastic feeling to see the video on MTV. And again, I forgot. In the beginning of 2000 I collected money for some Jay-Z album, but in the store there was none of his work, but suddenly I saw #1's and I had to have it. I love the songs, my cousin (a die-hard hip-hop fan loved Fantasy the remix). I bought Rainbow around one month later and then all the stuff started. I remember just like it was yesterday, buying Glitter one day before the 9/11, searching for casette version of Charmbracelet (the last MC album to be released in this format in Poland). If the story has not bored you to death yet, I can tell you that I also sacrificed the moment I brought home the Butterfly album, it was spring of 2003, a week before Easter, and all the joy that goes with spring was just put in this masterpiece album. I hope you enjoyed my story. All the missing albums I bought in 3-pack box in 2003. I love them all.
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 15:25)
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Nostalgia (51,451)
by Steve from USA
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I became a Mariah fan almost from the very beginning. My first memory of her is the Someday video being on MTV. I think I was like 12. I was like "Who is this? She's good." Then she hit the whistle note at the end and I stopped doing whatever I'd been doing because I was in total shock. I was hooked from that point on. Like many other fans my age, the first thing I did was steal my parents' cassette of the debut, which I listened to ad nauseous. Same with Emotions. I actually recall going to the record store (yes kids that was a thing) with my mom to buy Emotions, and playing it in the car on the way home. A few years later, during the Music Box era, my parents split up, and my dad got a new, very unkind, girlfriend (they are married now and she still sucks). I had an extremely unpleasant first meeting with her, and I locked myself in my room, and lay in the dark listening to a mix tape I had made of the first 3 albums. I just kept getting up to flip the tape. If there was any question about life long fan-dom before that, it was history. Mariah music definitely helped me through that moment in my life. No song in particular, all of them.
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 14:43)
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For the nostalgia (51,450)
by Adam from Usa
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I feel like I have always been listening to Mariah. Her self titled debut was one of my very first CDs. I was in the car with my mom and heard Vision Of Love for the first time and it awakened something inside me. Like I was meant to be hearing it. Strange I know but from that moment I made my mom take me to the mall to buy the cd. There was a lot of flack I took from her at the time but that didn't deter me. MTV Unplugged was the first time I saw Mariah on tv and I remember thinking how can a person make such beautiful sounds like that it couldn't be real. I still have those feelings today when I wee watch performances. I used to set my boom box as an alarm to wake me up and the chosen song was always One Sweet Day. Sounds morbid but the music always put me in such a calm mood. When the first Christmas album was released I played it so much that my brother snuck into my room and took a lighter to it so it couldn't be played. I cried and cried until my dad made my brother purchase a new one. I still have the original copies of all her albums and I treat them as gold. I like many of you have been silent on this board. I never really speak up and voice my opinions about gossip but I love reading all of yours. Thank you all for being apart of such a unique community of lambs. More to come.
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 13:34)
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Following the nostalgia stories (51,449)
by May from Denmark
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Beautiful to read some of these stories. Mine goes back to when the "Simpsons" were the hype and I remember telling my parents I would love a Bart Simpson doll as birthday present. I did get him and also the Simpsons music album and my mom got for herself the Mariah Carey debut album. I remember my mom was super happy and I asked her "Who is this one? Nobody knows her." Lol and I kept doing my interpretations of funny Bart phrases that all kids knew. Then I heard at school one song by Mariah Carey and I was curious, went home and I decided to hear my mom's "old people's music" haha and there I was hooked with "Prisoner", I loved Mariah doing her rapping part (those days rap/hip hop was everywhere). Since then her music accompanied me through my worst moments which I will keep private, went through very bad stuff but her music always kept me up, overall the "never give up" and "keep on dreaming" phrases, have always lift me up when I needed. My husband pokes fun at me sometimes because I like MC a lot, when I moved with him and I had to leave all my belongings in my born-country the first things he gifted me were MC albums. I recall when we used to live apart he once told me around Christmas time "that Mariah Carey is on the radio singing something about missing (Miss You Most was the song) and is making me sad because it reminds me of you". Aww, Mariah has been there even in that moment spontanously lol. I love her forever.
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 13:08)
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For Kate and the nostalgia (51,448)
by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End
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First time a voice ever stopped me dead in my tracks was Vision Of Love. I was 9 or 10 years old and home alone watching videos on MTV or Super Channel. VOL came on and I literally walked up to the TV screen because I wanted to be as close to the source of that angelic voice as possessible. I never heard anyone use their voice like that and it blew my mind. We moved to another city shortly after that and again I saw her on TV and I had another moment. But I was a kid who basically listened to whatever my family members bought. I guess the official house diva was Whitney Houston so maybe that's why Mariah had to be snuck in for me to discover. Anyway, I was 12 and Dreamlover came out with those ethereal high notes. Music Box: that record was being played everywhere on TV and radio and for the first time I heard her unusual name be spoken out loud. Subsequently obsessed over MB when my sister borrowed it from her friend and I was in awe. From that moment I could distinguish her tone in a sea of cacophony. Unsurprisingly Daydream ended up being the first CD I ever bought with my own money. You wanna know what's funny? I didn't realise Mariah was the same singer as the VOL girl until we had internet access in JHS and the first extra curricular thing I ever searched was Mariah Carey in Altavista (90's Google). I was an amusement unto myself and started researching everything about her. Anyone who knew me even in passing associated me with singing and Mariah Carey. True story. 
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 8:18)
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Clean version of Skydiving (51,447)
by Warrior Butterfly from USA
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I really want to hear the song without an echo or the audio tag "exclusive". Does anyone know where it could be hiding?
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 8:16)
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Vegas (51,446)
by 123 from USA
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So I"m going July 13th. I found tickets at a fair price and a nice package that includes hotel and air travel. If anyone is going that weekend please let me know. It would be nice to meet some fans on the board and exchange our thoughts on the show.
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 7:07)
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Negative Nick comments / Mariah does no wrong (51,445)
by 123 from USA
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Why is everyone painting Mariah to be some helpless victim and Nick to be this mastermind manipulator who got over on her? Are we really believing this? This is not 18 year old Mariah who was taken advantage of by a 40 something president of a record company. This was a 38 year old, highly intelligent individual who has already survived a divorce and temporary career sabotage from the man that hired the "secret people" following her who she mentioned in the 99 interview that was posted not too long ago. Why would she jump into marrying someone 6 weeks after meeting him? If he truly is releasing a tell all or trying to get money out of her then, yes, he is a slimeball. But lets not jump to conclusions on some gossip column. I would hope that she makes smarter choices regarding getting involved with someone right away or even marriage. You get what you pay for and it's her fault she didn't research what she was buying. He has dated everyone and was engaged multiple times and left someone else for her. The D must be that good, but that's a move a young inexperienced girl makes. Damizza already wrote a whole chapter about her and put some business out there. Didn't she learn from that? I'm one for defending our girl when she is wronged i.e. Tommy, Def Jam, Walter, haters, but she isn't always completely innocent either in every situation.
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 6:16)
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Important / Vegas, career future (51,444)
by Nathan from USA
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Let's be clear, unfortunately Mariah's recent performances have been plagued with negative press. Plus, she's still not back to her AI look and confidence with Vegas leading up. I'll put it this way. Ticket sales are okay-ish. Expensive seats are doing well, middle tiers are proving more difficult. Sadly, she isn't doing any real live promo showing off her pipes, so honestly, Vegas will initially sell out at 60-70% capacity. If she proves herself and does well, they can quickly increase and do well. If she pull any of that nonsense from the Chanteuse Show, the Vegas run and her career are finished.
(Tuesday 7 April 2015; 0:25)
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Me and Mariah go back like... (51,443)
by Todd from Melbourne, Australia
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Well I was a child of 1982. Getting old. But I remember hearing Mariah's music on the radio, and being aware of it, but not crazy about it. At the time I was determined to like stuff like Nirvana and Pearl Jam. My mum bought Music Box, and used to play it everytime we were in the car. It drove me nuts. The first song of Mariahs that I really loved was All I Want For Christmas. Then Fantasy, and One Sweet Day. To this day I'm still not a fan of ABMB, but I bought Daydream anyway. Daydream and Alanis's Jagged little Pill were all I listened too for a good year. Then Butterfly came out and I was hooked. And ever since, I've bought every album and been to every concert.
(Monday 6 April 2015; 21:52)
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Nostalgia (51,442)
by B from USA
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Kate, welcome to the messageboard and thanks for lightening the mood. When Loverboy came out I was sixteen dating a twenty-four year, who would buy me gifts like a sugar daddy. When We Belong Together came out I had just broken up with my boyfriend. When Don't Forget About Us came out my ex told me that his girlfriend would call him and play it for him so I called and played/sang it to him, because we were each others first loves. When Obsessed came out I was being stalked by some loser that was literally obsessed with me. When Touch My Body came out it helped me seduce a man. A couple of months before the release of #Beautiful, before the title and teaser had even been revealed, a guy told me I was kind of beautiful. Mariah's song/singles have coincided with events in my life perfectly. I'm not making any of this up. Always Be My Baby: when the twenty-four year old broke up with me I was in my bedroom listening to ABMB and my first love came in and when I told him what had happened, he kissed me and we made love and years later he was at my brothers and he was going through his ringtones and he stopped at ABMB and let it play. I hope this gets posted in its entirety.
(Monday 6 April 2015; 19:57)
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Kate / nostalgia (51,441)
by Orkun from The Netherlands
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Very nice topic. I have that feeling with Friends (tv show) and Mariah. I was a kid when she came out and every hour, VOL would be on the radio and I actually hated it. Then came " Love Takes Time". I was sold. To me, her first album is my all time favorite, ever.
(Monday 6 April 2015; 19:40)
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Empire (51,440)
by B from USA
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I think the reports that Mariah is desperate to make an appearance on Empire are false. I think some of these media outlets are taking Courtney Love's comments about channeling her inner Mariah for her character as Mariah wanting to be on the show. The facts in these articles are inaccurate. Yes, Mariah was ridiculed for Glitter. However, Mariah's acting in Wisegirls, Tennessee, Precious, and The Butler were/was praised by critics. She even won an award for acting for her performance in Precious. I hate articles and blogs that get the facts wrong or have no clue what their typing (writing) when it comes to Mariah Carey.
(Monday 6 April 2015; 19:34)
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MIAMTEC (51,438)
by B from USA
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#Beautiful peaked at 15 on Billboard's Hot 100 and at 3 on Billboard's Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs. It was also certified Platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America. Her thirteenth single to be certified Platinum. That is proof that Mariah Carey is still relevant and can easily redeem herself. During the opening night of Mariah's The Elusive Chanteuse Show she was clearly sick but the media and some fans claimed her voice was and is shot. Her voice is fragile but when rested and rehearsed she can still deliver live vocally. Mariah Carey knows what is at stake with her upcoming single, album, and residency. She's the last diva standing for a reason. She's more than her voice, she's a musical genius. She has written countless songs that are considered classics and she has two back to back Songs of the Decade: One Sweet Day and We Belong Together.
(Monday 6 April 2015; 19:26)
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More nostalgia (51,437)
by Bill from the UK
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So it's autumn 1994. It's the October half term holiday and I'm "cat sitting" for my aunt with my nan. The only thing I pack is my Walkman and Mariah tapes. At this point I have managed to buy through pocket money both Emotions and the Unplugged album on cassette and have been playing them non stop, as well as buying the AYNAF single. Even though both AYNAF and Music Box were on the album, I wanted to buy the single because I loved the cover (and remember being surprised at her straightened hair lol). Each time I was in town, I used to go into the record shops and hold and stare at the debut album and try to remember its track listing. As a reward for cat sitting, my mum bought me the debut album. I remember her calling me whilst at my aunt's to check she had the right one. I could not wait to get home and listen to it. When I did, to my disappointment, it played the Emotions album, it was a faulty cassette. We took it back that weekend (if only I had the foresight to hang on it to as a collector's item. ) and I finally got to hear the album when it was replaced. It was agony having the lyrics there but no songs haha. Once home I sat in the back room of my house and played the debut album to myself, reading the lyrics and just loving the gold background the track listing had, thinking it was so beautiful. Got a couple more stories to share with you all, I love reading everyone's stories.
(Monday 6 April 2015; 18:53)
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Beautiful acoustic (51,436)
by MC1989 from Spain
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Jon thanks for posting it. It's amazing, I think I like it even more than the original version. I really believe Beautiful is Mariah's best commercial song since We Belong Together. I share your thoughts about that she should do an unplugged concert with acoustic renditions of her songs (old and current ones). Everytime she gives a little taste of that (like the impro performance for the fans at J. Fallon) she sounds great.
(Monday 6 April 2015; 15:13)
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Nostalgia (51,435)
by MC1989 from Spain
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I was born in 1989 and my earliest Mariah memory is the Emotions LP which was in the living room (by the way it's so hard to find vinyls from Mariah, the ones I have I had to buy them via internet, second hand vinyls). I first heard about her during 1995-96 with the big success of Daydream. I was 6/7 and I remember listening to Open Arms on the radio during the Spice Girls boom lol. My favourite album is the first one. Though I bought it when I was a teenager, it brings me a lot of memories and it still is my favourite with Daydream, Butterfly and The Emancipation Of Mimi.
(Monday 6 April 2015; 14:46)
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