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Wendy (47,220) by Myles from CT, USA I have been a huge fan of Wendy since her last radio show in NYC. I like her tv talk show and seeing some of the attacks on her here is just childish. The thing that is so appealing about her is her honest opinions. Has she said anything that was not true? Wendy has always supported Mariah's career. The one thing Mariah has is her voice. I am so beyond embarrassed for her. It's all going downhill and it's so depressing to watch. This reminds me of watching some of Whitney's last performances. I can no longer be in denial about her. Mariah has always been a hero of mine and the whole thing is breaking my heart. I'm sure she feels broken as well. Mariah come clean honey and stop hiding behind titles that no longer apply to you. God bless. (Tuesday 7 October 2014; 0:17)

Stephen / Mandy Monroe (47,219) by Abraham from USA Well then, if you don't have the desire to post here anymore, don't, it's as simple as that. Mandy you've got a point. Altough surgery would be a risk. I feel that if Mariah has tried everything such as resting, exercises. Then just maybe it might be her last option. It's easy for us to say "Yes, have the surgery." because it's not our voice and career. I'm staying positive and hoping for the best. But honestly, I'm more concerned about her health and how she's doing emotionally. I'm proud of her for getting her figure back. She looks great. Even the drag queen Wendell seems to think so too. This whole situation with her voice hopefully gives her a wake up call that something needs to be done. (Monday 6 October 2014; 23:52)

The voice (47,218) by Jimbo from UK The voice is damaged. Badly. It has been for a while. No surprise there. But it's got worse. Much worse. She has lost control (you can tell by the way she phrases her melodies that she has absolutely no idea when/if her voice is going to give up on her and break). I'm not a doctor, but I seriously recommend she gets some form of treatment, whatever that is. I love MC but the Tokyo performance was a disaster. Hopefully widespread negative coverage in the media will turn out to be something positive, by compelling her to address the issue head on. I like the way Adele was honest about her vocal problems, Mariah's never really admitted anything, well not the full extent of the problem. And she has resorted to vocal trickery to try and hide the issue (miming high notes, autune, blaming the weather etc). Not only does it effect how she sounds, it also impacts on her qualities as a performer. Instead of getting an empowered, sexy, diva on stage we see an insecure, nervous wreck. Look at her performance of All I Want For Christmas at the NCT lighting last year. In the undubbed version you see her sighing at the end of the song, she even mutters "oh heck it doesn't matter anyway". It is tragic. She sounds so dejected, so disappointed with herself. I just wish she would open up about the problem, and get the support, and love, she needs. (Monday 6 October 2014; 23:45)

Are the lambs still screaming, Clarice? (47,216) by Andrew from UK I am incredibly proud of those who have had the courage to stand up and say, "No, something is wrong. And it needs to be addressed." Anthony, Marcel, and the several Americans. In Anthony's case: that guy wears his heart on his sleeve and you can actually feel the pain. Ease off him, attack me if you want. I'm quite a blunt person, and I try to do things with humour, albeit dark. The If It's Over parody was because I was singing it to myself and, well, sometimes I don't need to get hairballed by life. It is what it is. I love Mariah Carey's music. I have since 1993. Her music is the soundtrack to my life. As my non-Mariah loving friend said a year ago, verbatim: "You know what, it doesn't really matter how you feel, that b*tch has a song that tells you how you're feeling. I get it." It's just unparalleled in the world. I knew that from the moment I heard it in 1993, and watched the songs spring forth. My favourite era is Glitter. She was in the UK for a long time, comparitively, I felt close to her. I felt closer to the honesty within the sound more than ever. It's not even the gymnastics, it's the tone, the resonance, the words, the melody, the sense, and the belonging and understanding. Yet she's not the woman I've grown up with anymore, she's a rambling mess and she just can't sing her own songs. You can't get around that. I've tried. I've lied. I've tried, again. Love to everyone. Even if you don't like my words, we're bound forever by one thing at least. (Monday 6 October 2014; 23:31)

Wendy Williams (47,215) by Randy from USA She just covered MC's bad vocal performance today on her show. I know you all think she is below MC and MC doesn't pay her any attention. I'm not sure if you are aware of it but she has the #2 daytime talk show behind Ellen and is beating Ellen in some markets. I'm not the biggest fan of Wendy or her opinions but I watch her everyday because it's entertaining and Oprah left a huge vacuum. With that said, Wendy did not play the clips of MC singing because it would cost her show money to do so, but encouraged her viewers to youtube the clips. My point: I love MC. In fact my favorite song by her is one where her vocals were less than stellar, even in a studio. It is Right To Dream. There is no excuse, divorce, weather, travel, bad video clips, first night jitters, for her vocals. If she sounded like Ashanti, Brandy, Monica or any other marginal singer, then I can say, "oh, her voice isn't what it used to be". She is "The Voice". Even if she couldn't hit the high ad lib belts, why couldn't she sound pleasing to listen to during the verses? Listen, I am not trying to be harsh. You're right MC doesn't owe us anything. But I've probably spent $2,000+ over the years on MC items. I'm fine with that. I got some amazing things. Her primary job is as a singer. I am a teacher. Taxpayers pay my salary. If I don't teach well, I get fired. What happens to a multi-millionaire singer who has made her money off of her public? Every institution is now holding employees accountable. Are we not to hold MC in accountable? As a very public fans for years, how do I answer that she sounds awful, and yet singers who are not as popular as her, but have been singing just as long, like Tamela Mann, Regina Belle, Celine Dion, who may not sound like they did at their beginning, are still pleasing to listen to and not referred to as The Voice? (Monday 6 October 2014; 23:30)

The voice (47,214) by Marissa from USA I do think Andrew's delivery was extremely harsh but sometimes you have to look at what the person is actually saying instead of just harping on their tone. What Andrew is doing is holding Mariah accountable. As long as people keep blaming outside circumstances, there is no room for improvement. When you blame the weather, the plane ride, the divorce, you're powerless because those things are beyond your control. I feel bad for Mariah because it's humiliating to be unable to control your own voice, but she isn't a complete victim. I think she took her voice for granted and it's backfiring on her. She may not always have perfect circumstances to perform under, but when people are paying their hard earned money, they expect her to pull through regardless. Remember when Diana Ross performed in pouring down rain and still slayed? Fair or unfair, that's the type of resilience that people are expecting from performers. She isn't the first singer to go through a difficult time, have a cold or be jet lagged (this is the most pathetic excuse people are using, really guys?) and there's only so long people will consider that a valid excuse. People will give you a break if you've had a few mediocre shows, but when that becomes the norm, your legacy will get flushed down the toilet. I'm proud of MC for starting to pull her image together, but her voice has a mind of its own and it won't get better unless she gets serious help. (Monday 6 October 2014; 22:51)

Stephen / the situation (47,213) by Edward from USA Stephen, I was just thinking the same thing. I haven't posted anything regarding the situation because the writing has been hanging not too pretty on the wall for a long time now. I just hope Mariah takes this outcry as a signal that something seriously needs to be done should she want to maintain the few fans she has left. She needs to do her part because we all here have been rooting for/supporting her for years now. Please take a break, but don't just stop posting here. Send me an email to b_terius@hotmail.com. (Monday 6 October 2014; 22:44)

Yokohama huge improvement (47,212) by automatic_prince from Germany Hi there, I am a new member. I've been following the discussions here for a while. And I have to say how happy I am to see Mariah's performance hugely improved in Yokohama tonight. She changed the part in Vision Of Love she struggeled with in Tokyo and got through the song a lot better. Good job Mariah, very good job. (Monday 6 October 2014; 22:05)

Her tours, Miguel (47,211) by Marcel from Montréal, Canada And some others that compare them. 93's was [...] vocally and criticism was more on her stage presence [...] what they used to consider a very good singer technically that expressed no passion at all but vocally was on top. It's not the same to sing VOL, IDWC, Vanishing, Someday, Emotions, AIYM, MIH, Without You, Now That I Know, etc., than TMB, That Chick n Obsessed ([...] lip them). Proof: Hero NY 93 MB Tour. Her 96 mini-tour was great as well though her voice wasn't as soulful and powerful but [...]. Butterfly tour was a pity, she looked gorgeous though. Rainbow was really bad. Charmbracelet well, I know everybody loves it but to me it wasn't that good, certainly her best post-Butterfly album tour. TAOM was terrible. at least here in Montreal and the official DVD sound really bad and she lipped a lot like Fantasy, ABMB, DFAU, STN, etc. This TECT sounds even worse than the Butterfly/Rainbow ones. Someone mentioned her Hero [...] on Oprah 97 and yes, I remember it like it was yesterday that all of us fans were in shock and not only [...] that one, back then we were so used to her incredible performances that even Hero with Clinton and Butterfly on Letterman/SNL were a concern to all because we noticed how much she was strugling to deliver something unknown of hers before. Hope, really, that she'd do whatever it takes in order to regain some of her gone vocals but I truly think it's not coming back, sadly. And she doesn't seems to care either. She needs to humbly accept this and do something at least. (Monday 6 October 2014; 21:46)

Stephen and Edward (47,210) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I would just like to make it clear that I think the posts you guys write along with some other people are well thought out, respectful and have really good points. Even messages where you might criticize MC, you guys have been nice about it. I also wrote negative comments here and got into mini fights for saying negative things but I try to be respectful. So you guys don't really deserve the hate. However the recent posts are straight up aggressive. I can't believe her fans are hating on her so much to tell her to actually retire. In my last post I wrote that people should move on to other artists. This is something I used to hate hearing and never wanted to tell others but honestly if "lambs" are "mortified" and "embarrassed" and disgusted by Mariah then why waste time on her? (Monday 6 October 2014; 21:40)

The lambs are bleating (47,209) by Lee from UK Here we go again, the "lambs" won't have anything negative said about Mariah's vocals. Then they go bleating on about how those who are complaining are not fans or should move on to another fan base. All I hear is baa baa baa. Yes, going through a divorce isn't a pleasant experience and I understand how it can have an effect on Mariah's voice but what has her excuse been for the last 5 years when she was seemingly happily married? I remember some "lamb" here once blamed the weather for a poor performance. I believe the time has come for us to stop looking at external correlations and begin looking at Mariah herself. (Monday 6 October 2014; 21:17)

Another thought (47,208) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter For those saying Mariah should retire or bow out, I want to say something that I usually don't like hearing and that is, please feel free to move on to other artists. I used to dislike it when people say this when there were slight negative comments on Mariah but with some really aggressive comments I think it's appropriate. If Mariah embarrasses you, if your image/credibility is being tarnished in front of your friends and families because of Mariah's condition, then get off the Mariah train. Either ways many people already abandoned her judging by her current sales, so why don't you all move on too? I, on the other hand would be more than grateful to hear new songs from her. I will still be proud enough to show her songs off to people. Also someone questioned something like whether we will still believe she actually hit those great notes on MIAMTEC. Yes, I will. A studio is a controlled environment. She has multiple takes to get the perfect one, she can take breaks and rest her voice in the middle. She can have her teas and lozenges she takes for soothing her voice. She can sit in a room with humidifiers to get her voice right. So yes I believe those stellar notes were real. (Monday 6 October 2014; 20:39)

Oh wow, seriously guys? (47,206) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I am shocked and appalled by the comments here. I respect this board because it's a balance between MC's good and bad reviews, but wow I am really horrified by the amount of negative messages posted in the last 2 days. I don't think so many messages were posted when MC put out a stellar album just months back. I see many of you have many demands and I saw a particular post with specific demands, what I call the "I want her to. . . " post written by the lovely Andrew. Here's what I want from people being overtly aggressive, 1) I want you to remember MC has said time and again she doesn't prefer belting and hitting high notes on every song but she does it because that's what her fans always wants. 2) I want you to remember the fact that Mariah has been probably one of the greatest role models to younger girls and boys since she came out (no drug abuse, no drama). Yes she openly drinks a lot now but she's in her 40s, when she was younger she maintained a great image, something that can't be said about the "role models" of today. 3) I want you to accept the fact that airbrushing is mandatory nowadays. Nobody is claiming that Mariah on CD and album cover is the real Mariah, there is a reason it's called album art/magazine shoot and not candids. Even MC acknowledges it saying that the person you see on posters and magazines is not the real Mariah. I can assure you if she puts an unedited picture on the cover you all will point out her imperfections and complain about it. 4) You want "universal" songs? I say no. I am a MC fan because you can just hear her song and know it's her. "Artists" nowadays come with so called universal songs and people can't distinguish whether it is a Katy Perry song or a Rihanna song or whatever. I love and admire Mariah for her writing ability and making each song stand out. So no I don't generic songs from her. 5) You don't have to pity her and know her to relate to her songs. Mariah said many times she leaves her songs open for others to relate to it. When I hear WBT or Camouflage, I remember moments from my own lost love not Mc and Nick. When I hear Bye Bye, I only remember my grand dad not Alfred Roy. When I hear Side Effects I attach my own memory of being dominated not necessarily by a lover. I can go on. So I think her songs are very relatable. If you don't feel it, your loss. 6) It's embarrassing that she wore a gown to the subway? I guess she should come out of airport wearing a shell bikini like Gaga or walk around with squirting cone shaped bras like Katy? It's easy to sit behind a computer and bash a woman who has tried to please fans for 25 years ruining her prized asset (her voice) in the process. Yes there is vocal damage due to drinking but most of it comes from her sensitive chords and singing difficult songs for years. I am sure if you guys are asked to tell all these to her face, you all will just end up saying nothing and clicking a selfie, allowing her to stand on her good side. (Monday 6 October 2014; 20:15)

Yokohama tonight (47,204) by ksquarred from paris Yokohama tonight. (Monday 6 October 2014; 19:45)

Vocal decline / Edward (47,203) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom I think it's apparent for all to see that Mariah's vocals are in horrific shape. Some may deny it, but I think a touch of honesty is in order. Edward, don't you find it interesting how a lot of people have picked up on what you and I have been saying for a while, and have now criticised Mariah? Yet, when you and I have done the same, for the same reasons, they hypocritically jumped on us. Unfortunately, that's the level of what appears to be the large majority of this board. Quite frankly, I'm sick of posting a message containing my opinion and then having to deal with ill informed, and to be honest, rather stupid people. At this point, I no longer have the desire, nor the inclination to post. If the webmaster could give you my email, it would be much appreciated. We can start our own dialogue there if you should so wish. (Monday 6 October 2014; 19:44)

Vocal surgery (47,202) by Jono from USA I can see why Mariah would be hesitant about getting an operation. It's directly on her greatest gift and can be unpredictable. Obviously everyone knows what happened to Julie Andrews, but she was operated in 1997 back when technology wasn't as advanced. The most recent case I can think of is Adele, who actually sounds so much better post surgery. Her surgeon said that the voice being affected is actually really rare. Who knows, I just want Mariah to be healthy and would hate to see her voice abandon her by the time she's 50. (Monday 6 October 2014; 19:01)

Seriously? (47,201) by Miguel from US What kind of fans are you people? Mariah has had great and bad vocal moments since the 90s. Remember Mariah's first tour? Listen to some of the audio of the Worcester concert. She does not sound like her Tokyo Dome concert in 1996. Compare her Rainbow and Charmbracelet eras. Her Charmbracelet era blows Rainbow vocally. Listen to "My Saving Grace" or her "Vision of Love" performances and you'll see how beastly Mariah's vocals were at that era. Then TEOM and E=MC2 and they were ok, but then MOAIA arrived. It was not her best, honestly. Though nobody liked that era, it was my fav voccally. It was raw. 2010-2013, she was at a great vocal state. Now, not so much, but who cares. I'm 16, and I'll defend Mariah with "My All". She made me accept myself and gave me the guts to live in a world full of negativity. Who are we to judge Mariah? We are nobody. Take a mic and sing in front of thousands of people. Better yet, why don't you express your negativity at Mariah's face? We, lambs, must be giving support to Mariah. Leave the gossips to idiots. I love Mariah, and even though I don't know her personally, I reserved a place in my heart for her. (Monday 6 October 2014; 18:50)

I'll always be there for you M (47,200) by Dove from USA (Monday 6 October 2014; 18:26)

Surgery (47,199) by S from Well if there had to be a choice between her never singing again because of the current state of her voice or to get surgery on her vocal cords for her nodules, I guess the latter might as well be worth a try anyway. Adele had surgery on hers when she was a the peak of her album 21's popularity and it went succesfully as one can hear on subsequent recording like Skyfall. (Monday 6 October 2014; 18:07)

Mariah, I know it's crazy but you still can touch my heart (47,198) by Dove from USA As long as I shall live, I'll hold you dear, and I will reminisce of our love (for you) all through the years; from now until forever, and ever, you will always be the only one. If you should ever need me, unfailingly, I will return and unburden your heart. From now until forever and ever, you will always be the only one. Never be ashamed, call my name and I'll be there. I'll reach out my hand to you, I'll have faith in all you do. I'll be there to comfort you, I'll be there to protect you, with unselfish love that respects you. I'm so glad that I found you. And after all this time, you'd think that I wouldn't feel the same, but time melts into nothing, and nothing's changed. (Monday 6 October 2014; 18:06)

Reply to Marcel from Canada (47,197) by The Real Truth Hurts from United States First of all you [censored], how dare you steal my name. I've been using the truth hurts for years. Are you that pitiful you can't come up with a name for yourself that you steal someones else name? Second you're obviously not a fan so why are you here? Is your life that sad and pathetic that you have nothing better to do then spend your time going around Mariah's message board to spill your crap? That has to be the saddest thing of all. Get a life loser. Lastly you obviously weren't at the concert and you basing your crap on 15 second videos that people posted on Instagram. If you ever went to college you'll understand not every country has the same economy as Canada. The price tickets for a show for Mariah in Asia or Australia currency may seem a lot but if you do the conversion to it's the same price as other artists charge. (Monday 6 October 2014; 17:35)

Truth hurts (47,196) by Marcel from Montréal, Canada I support Andrew, Anthony and those others who've been loyal but realistic and are now suffering the "lambstampede" on them, the harsh attack by the lambs, those that live in utopia making excuses for so long. On MC's voice, is this new? No, it is not. She's having the same vocals (sometimes better) since late 97. Am I shocked? Not at all. Does MC deserves this? Yes. She does because she's been like this for 17 years now and has done nothing in order to get (at least try) her voice back. It's her life so she can do what she wants? Sure it is. Is she a pro by doing so? No, she isn't. Charging people for attending her "concert" and sing like that, half the songs lipped and the few she sang live were a disaster is plain wrong. She's said she's not a dancer, she's a singer and people pay to hear her sing. Well Mariah, then sing and sing well. You can't? Retire. Do something. She's always been money oriented, nothing wrong with that, so she's not moving from it. We're the ones who're wrong by paying for everything she puts out, the few of us that still buy her music. But to those that weren't aware of how bad her voice's been and just hear media and herself calling her "the voice" and went to her concert, she's disrespectful. Time has come and sadly but truly this is gonna be the treat by the press she'll get, the one she built. Hope she'd realize this before it's too late (if 17 isn't late at all) and come back again at least to close her career gracefully. (Monday 6 October 2014; 16:50)

Vocal solution (47,195) by JAXGH from United States Lambs know the phenomenal live singing 1995-6 Mariah never came back. After working at a non stop pace, an album every year, in the studio day and night, travelling and performing endlessly. By late 1997, her nodule fold has taken its toll. It was obvious as husky tone, hoarseness, vocal breaks and reduced vocal range started to happen. I know Mariah never really wanted to touch her God-given voice. But what do you guys think? If the nodules were to be removed, her voice would be stronger, fuller, less airy, more controlled, more magical. That Mariah might come back. It's safe to say learning to "sing" through vocal nodules is also taking its toll. Listening to MSG 1995 "Hero" to the one now really makes me a little sad. It's such a huge difference. I feel like surgery really will help. I know it's a huge risk as it is her a huge part of her professional career, but what else can do you? Vocal rest, vocal training, relaxation, aerobic exercise, and a healthy diet. Mariah pretty much did everything you can do. But the live golden "voice" never quite came back. Surgery is usually relatively safe. I'm sure Mariah's got the hook up with the best doctors. I am not putting her down please don't think that. But this is the only solution that might just save her career. What do you guys think? (Monday 6 October 2014; 16:39)

David (47,194) by NHYTG from nyc David, I just did and I was thinking the same. (Monday 6 October 2014; 16:12)

The supposed drastic decline (47,193) by David from Australia For the haters complaining that Mariah has lost her ability to sing and that she's going the way of Whitney due to one night's bad performance, please take a look at the second Tokyo show which she performed at tonight. That's all that needs to be said. (Monday 6 October 2014; 15:43)

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