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Re: (50,494) by TheVoice (50,499) by Dove from USA "Caesar's Palace hires a team of experts to do everything from staging, choreography, and lighting." I really hope you're right. That makes me feel a lot better. I'm almost scared to ask but does anyone know if she is in Vegas working on this production right now? She can't just show up at the last minute and wing it/sing. I've been watching more of Celine's videos and even though she's not a dancer, there was definitely some choreography for her too. In each song she does the same thing (arm movements, stances, small dance routines, etc.) and it makes the performance look tight and polished IMO. On a side note: I just wanted to say that I've enjoyed reading everybody's posts the last few days. We really are a passionate and dedicated fandom. (Friday 27 February 2015; 17:52)

Vegas doc video (50,498) by Warren from Trinidad & Tobago Hey guys. I just wanted to say based on everything I am reading that I posted that video primarily because of the amount of work that goes into a "Vegas" show. Mariah has always been, and has always said her home is in the studio. It is just a huge daunting task, and maybe we have to look at it as this being her challenging herself. People talk about her mixing it up, and maybe this is it. In the lowest point in her life, taking on such a project might be the outlet she needs. It happens with all human beings. When faced with challenges there are two outcomes, and we all know what she is and can be capable of. Forget her voice and singing style and even musical choices for now, what seems to be the most critical for this to work is a dedicated, knowledgeable and professional team backing her and supporting her, giving her the best advice. (Friday 27 February 2015; 17:29)

Fans (50,497) by Marissa from USA A true hater is someone who wants to keep a person down, therefore they give criticism without suggesting any solutions. Rarely has that happened on this board. The suggestions that people are making like Mariah getting a vocal coach, surrounding herself with professional people, working with relevant artists and changing songs so she can sing them well with her current voice will do nothing but boost her career. How is that negative in the big picture? What disturbs and confuses me is how fans of one of the most successful, unparalleled singers who has ever lived can feel so comfortable about the way things have taken a turn for the worst in her career. Regardless of how positive you are, everyone knows that Mariah/her career is nothing like it used to be. Period. If you don't make a big deal of the changes, fine, but I don't understand how anyone in their right mind can be outraged or shocked by other fans having problems with the way things have changed. Not everyone can easily cope with, accept and even celebrate (like some people seem to do) their favorite singer going from excellence to mediocrity. (Friday 27 February 2015; 17:07)

TEOM (50,495) by B from USA The first album I bought was Daydream maybe that's why I connected with TEOM. Maybe this explains why MIAMTEC worked for me because it shares many similarities with both albums. (Friday 27 February 2015; 16:59)

Celine Dion and Vegas (50,494) by B from USA Celine Dion lips don't think she doesn't. If she or Mariah didn't they wouldn't have their voices twenty some years later. The difference is Mariah has been lipping poorly for some time and unlike Celine she is still relevant. If you think Celine and her team are solely responsible for her show you're mistaken. Caesar's Palace hires a team of experts to do everything from staging, choreography, and lighting. Mariah is taking over for Celine so I'm assuming the same people that staged her residency are helping with Mariah's which means all Mariah needs to is work on is her voice. If she sings well and does so coherently with enthusiasm she'll do just fine. (Friday 27 February 2015; 16:47)

Jon (50,493) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End YME was a poor choice for lead single as it wasn't distinct enough on its own or really representative of the major theme on MIAMTEC. It's deceptively melancholy and yet they were trying to sell it as a Valentine's anthem. It smells like self sabotage. The video worked against it too because even now I don't ever reference it, almost like it never happened. It was a complete waste not to have Mariah interact with Trey Songz, especially if they had chemistry. Reminds me of her early videos where she wasn't allowed to have hot guys in her videos lest Tommy pitch a fit. DIDT of course wouldn't have worked as first single for Rainbow because it was too dark as a single period. Let alone as a figurehead. Obsessed is a perfect example of a snarky yet upbeat diss song that works and unsurprisingly it did well because the video was original in concept and funny. Who would have thought Mariah would be caught dead in a beard? (Friday 27 February 2015; 16:44)

Response to Jon and Lee (50,492) by ADAM from USA Wow Jon. I always feel like your posts are reading my mind exactly. Well said and very true. I feel the Vegas concerts are a big milestone in her career and the world will be watching. These concerts will be the equivalent to the "This Is It" concerts Michael Jackson was leading up to. His career was in the pits and those concerts had so much anticipation towards it that even if you were a half-way fan you wanted to know how good the show he put on. Mariah is in the same place. Her career has never been as low and her voice has been exposed for a long time now for the bad state its in. I don't have tickets to Vegas but will wait anxiously to see what critics and fans report. This is such a pivotal time for Mariah that I hope she surprises us and knocks it out the park. Also Lee I love your comments about feeling connected to her earlier work vs TEOM until today. I echo the same sediments. Even though it was a massive comeback album I didn't connect with the lyrics and melodies the same way I still have from her earlier work. Maybe it had to do with the level of output and magic she had from her Sony records days but it wasn't the same for me. Its always nice to hear fans on this site uncover a truth about MC that I forgot or didn't know anyone else felt so thanks always for sharing your thoughts. (Friday 27 February 2015; 16:18)

Lamb: Did I Do That? (50,491) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End Me too. It's supposedly about Derek Jeter but I guess even Tommy fits the bill. It's one of her most difficult songs to sing because she literarily doesn't breathe for like half the song. It's just snarky goodness and so obviously rap influenced. Mariah broke the diva mould once again with that one. Who does that? Genius. (Friday 27 February 2015; 16:08)

Mariah's influence on Rihanna (50,488) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End As always I find myself having to break down the simplest of statements just because some of these posters can't ever let me get away with making sense. A large part of Mariah's success with #1 singles comes from her being very prolific, that's just basic math. Rihanna is really the only mega star of her generation who copied that trait, releasing albums back to back. Ergo, she now is now biting at MC's heels, at least when it comes to #1 songs. There is no secret sauce here so I don't get why you got your pantries in a twist as I also never claimed Rihanna had no other influence, like Madonna, aside from Mariah who have informed her artistry. Just like Mariah has been influenced by dozens of her predecessors and contemporaries. But it's clear you are willing to be deliberately obtuse just so you can post gibberish in the name of "Mariah Ain't Shit". And since when isn't Mariah Carey, much like Franklin, Labelle, Streisand and Ross a supreme vocalist, songwriter, producer and actress in her own right? What kind of fool? (Friday 27 February 2015; 15:49)

The "real" deal / love yourself Mariah (50,486) by Ardis Logic from Earth If we put all the criticism aside for a moment and look at what it really is, we all just want Mariah to be the best she can in all aspects. Healthy, both mentally and physically. Obviously she is going through a lot of stress and heartache in her life, and not really seeing her or hearing from her, has left us all to speculate and assume how she is doing. Those of us who are being "real" about the situation and showing tough love to MC understand that this is the healthiest thing to do. MC is not above anyone else. That mentality is what leads to this annoying diva behavior. It's better to be humble about who you are, and just do your best. That way if you mess up there is not so much pressure to live up to the huge ego you have built up about yourself. Plus people will love you more for being humble. Yes she has more hits, yes she has been around a long time, at the moment she is not singing on the level of greatness that she once was. It takes work and care for yourself to stay on top and be the greatest. I believe that she can make a huge comeback and amaze everyone again, but she has to take care of herself to the extreme. She has to love herself and want to feel good and happy. Otherwise we are just going to continue to see more of these very hard to watch performances and breakdowns on stage. I wish Mariah the very best and hope that she gets her priorities straight. She can recover from this, but she really has to want to herself. (Friday 27 February 2015; 15:32)

Abraham (50,485) by Dove from USA The reason you're my favorite lamb is because you're so loyal. I'm glad you post here. You're definitely essential to the balance on this board. (Friday 27 February 2015; 15:26)

Jon (50,483) by Lee from UK I totally get your message. The part which resonated with me, was the part about the bond we formed with Mariah. As a fan, I formed my bond with Mariah a long time ago in the early 90s. With each album she released the bond grew stronger. The songs she wrote felt like they were written for me. Once Butterfly landed, I had this uneasy feeling that my bond was being tested. Butterfly is now my second favourite album after the joint first of Music Box and Daydream. Each subsequent release tested my bond with Mariah but it remained as strong as ever until TEOM. I know this was her comeback album and her shining glory but for me I felt this was targeted at a whole new breed of fans and not the fans who formed their bond with Mariah many many years earlier. Having said this, I still have this explainable bond with Mariah even if it is not as strong as it was before. I think it's because of all the good she has unknowingly done in my life. I know every fan will cite Hero, or Make It Happen as songs that have inspired them or helped them. Whilst these are included in my list of inspirational songs, it was the likes of Outside, Close My Eyes, Looking In, and Butterfly that stuck with me. These songs are the ones that have really maintained my Mariah bond and no matter how hard Mariah falls, no matter how bad her vocal performances, no matter who surpasses her amount of number 1s, no matter which lambs call me a hater, no matter what, I will never be one of the fans who disowns Mariah. I have never been afraid to call Mariah out on her bullshit throughout the years and I feel like I can do that because the bond I feel with her. I will never be a fan who turns around and quits. I know we often say, Mariah owes us this, or Mariah owes us that. But in all honesty, I think it is me who owes Mariah. (Friday 27 February 2015; 15:16)

G.G. (50,482) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Haha you are right. What's funny is on this very board I have been called a "fair weather fan" and also a "delusional Mariah-can-do-no-wrong fan" by different parties. This happened so many times now it's just boring and annoying. As long as I know in my heart that I love MC, I will keep posting my thoughts and suggestions. The day I will feel like I don't care about her anymore, I will stop. I don't care what the "real lambs" think. I am not here to please them, I am here for Mariah. I always try to maintain a level where I make sure my posts are not illogical or hateful. I try to post honest opinions about changes I would like to see in Mariah. I am sorry but I am not the type to say "Mariah can change when she wants", because no it's a little too late for that. It has to be done ASAP. I am coming to a point where I am even probably going to let go of pushing Mc for another #1, but I do desperately need her to make changes and stop self destructing her legendary status. (Friday 27 February 2015; 15:05)

Jon (50,481) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Jon: your latest post is something I agree with whole heartedly. Each and every word. It's beautifully written. The point you made about not turning away from a family member is something I have been saying so many times. Just because we are in awe of Mariah doesn't mean she doesn't have faults. And just because she has faults doesn't make her stupid or a bad person. She lives in a different world like most celebs. She probably feels helpless or clueless and doesn't know whom to turn to. Sometimes people need an outside perspective. What would be wrong is for fans to see these mistakes being made over and over and pretending like everything is fine, which just leads to MC being ridiculed by the entire world. I don't know Mc personally but I have always felt such a connection to her, I want nothing but the best. I can't bear to stand her legendary status being ridiculed over and over. But to call this "bashing" is wrong. Questioning why people who question MC doesn't move on to Ariana or other artists is wrong. I'd like to tell them that they weren't the ones to introduce me to MC, so don't try to be oversmart and tell me where to go now. Questions shouldn't be raised as to why people with a negative opinion still post here. I am here because I care. So I will keep posting my opinions and I hope MC sees them and finds suggestions if she were ever to need help in understanding things she has been doing wrong. (Friday 27 February 2015; 14:52)

Mimi L. (50,480) by G.G. from USA The "positive" lambs believe that they are the only ones who have the right to express their opinions. If you disagree with anything Mariah does or anything they say you're labeled a "hater" or "not a real lamb". (Friday 27 February 2015; 14:22)

Negativity vs positivity (50,478) by Jon from Netherlands I think this forum is great. It's really elevated, especially compared to the rest of the internet. Some people get pissed off at how negative Andrew is but he never sinks to a "garbage" level. Nor does Baby against those that critcize Mariah. That is why I keep coming here. The question is: if you are pissed off at Mariah like I am why post? I guess some of us are struggling with our feelings towards her. It means the bond that was created wasn't weak and we just don't turn around and walk. A lot of people have done that. I remember a comment on YT on the lines of "I can't believe I used to be a huge fan of this stuck up b****." That person, like so many others, have left a long time ago and only bother to comment on her every 5 years and couldn't care less what she is up to. Some of the negative people that post here are still willing to pay to see her and are key to her future. If all the negative people "leave" her Mariah has a big problem in her hands. It will be a turning point in her career. She can't count only on those that love her unconditionally. Nor should she. She has a good mix of criticism and love here and she should feel happy about it. I wish I had people criticizing my life choices and giving me some though love sometimes. If she can have great Vegas shows I'll be happy for it and I'll even try to go on a later date. I think they will be better production wise but not Mariah wise. If they are I'll eat my words gladly. Concerning the bond between fan/artist: it's different but also similar to the bond with a family member. It's hard to see the person waste their talent but you're not gonna turn away the same way you wouldn't do it to a family member. You stay and try to confront the person. If we see Mariah being more and more out of touch with reality we don't say anything? If we see someone with great musical talent waste it on the same things over and over again we don't say anything? Maybe Mariah would appreciate it if someone told her "Listen, you don't have to sing Hero in every single concert." That could actually be a relieve for her. Radiohead don't play Creep. They refuse to. They still put on a great show and you come out of it mesmerised. Even if you don't know the songs. If Mariah can't put together a good show it will be harder for her to keep a certain lifestyle. Someone said it and might be true: the Vegas shows will be a crucial moment in her career. She can always come back with great music but that's not where you get the bling bling these days. She needs to be confronted with these things. (Friday 27 February 2015; 12:52)

Fan love (50,477) by Joseph Akkary from Australia Mariah needs to address her fans directly, she is loosing touch with her once very strong fan base. (Friday 27 February 2015; 12:33)

Abraham (50,476) by Lee TS from USA Are you serious? Umm ok. Celine's last flopped album Loved Me Back To Life sold over 1 million worldwide, when will Mariah? Celine was selling out arenas back in 08-09 when Mariah was playing theaters. Celine also claims to be the best selling female artist of all time with over 200 million albums sold. Celine is incredibly successful in her own right and it's ridiculous to compare the two. We don't need to tear down another diva to make Mariah look good, they can co-exist. I think fans are trying to say Mariah can learn a few things from Celine, seemingly she has a great support team around her and is super strict with her voice. Or we can just call Celine a has been who plays Vegas (which she kinda is). But not like that will ever happen to our Mariah. (Friday 27 February 2015; 11:31)

Double standards (50,475) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter So it's fine that the "positive fans" calls the others arrogant and impatient and selfish (saying that only come back to Mariah when she is back on top and leave her when she is going through a rough patch) but it's wrong that the "fair weather fans" will call out the people as enablers coddling Mariah with lies and refusing to help her see her flaws so she can fix things? Seriously wow. That's not double standard at all eh? (Friday 27 February 2015; 11:12)

RJJ12 (50,474) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter If I remember correctly Nick was not jealous of the male lead from YME. He was jealous of Miguel. Mariah said it herself that when Nick saw pictures of Mariah in a bikini sitting infront of Miguel and leaning on him behind while they were on a boat heading towards the grotto for the shoot of Hermosa, he lost his mind. This came straight from Mariah's mouth and she said she was surprised he had the jealous side. Mariah also mentioned that it was a last minute decision to add Trey instead of the other model since she wanted him to do it and the reason they don't have scenes together is because it was done on short notice and they couldn't take Trey to the location were they were shooting. So they made do with whatever they had. As for the Breakfast Club interview, Mariah needs to work on being professional and keep her professional and personal life aside. (Friday 27 February 2015; 11:04)

G.G / Travon (50,473) by Abraham from USA Well it's kind of a double standard isn't it. I mean you've seem annoyed and disappointed in Mariah lately. Yet you're still here posting. Why not just forget about her and move on. Listen to Ariana. Problem solved. Travon thanks, I always enjoy reading your posts. I think you're awesome too. I feel that the last thing Mariah needs is her fans bashing or abandoning her. I hope she is doing fine. (Friday 27 February 2015; 10:23)

Las Vegas doc like Celine (50,472) by Warrior Butterfly from USA I don't see Mariah being this candid or open with her life, she strikes me as very protective her over image. To be this exposed takes guts. If Mariah did do this kind of doc I'd truly be impressed. Again just a thought. (Friday 27 February 2015; 10:18)

My All, Will (50,444) (50,471) by Stacey from USA Not everyone here is bashing Mariah. I mean, if you don't post, you can't bash, right? Haha, that was a joke. Laugh. My All has such a haunting melody to it. It's definitely one of my favorite ballads. Along those lines, I Only Wanted is such a great song too, sort of a part 2 to My All. Will, brilliant post. I've always wondered why MC's voice has struggled and Celine's voice has remained strong. It's time MC hired the best vocal coach money can buy. She's got great pipes to protect. (Friday 27 February 2015; 9:06)

Did any of you know Mariah personally (50,470) by Manny from U.S. I think it's hilarious when fans assume things about Mariah like if they know her personally. I try not to assume anything about her personal life. Are some fans anxious about Vegas that they feel the need to fill in the blanks of what they think is going on with her? I agree with Abraham. His post made sense to me. (Friday 27 February 2015; 5:45)

Baby (50,469) by Chicago Lamb from USA I loved "Did I do that". (Friday 27 February 2015; 5:03)

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