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Let's jump on the "Let's-Hate-Katy Wagon" (45,573) by Edward from USA People, before jumping on the Let's-Hate-Katy Wagon, do a little research about the veracity of what some tabloids and online gossip websites are saying. When Katy Perry said Mariah was great for a throwback, she was actually acknowledging Mariah's longevity. When Mariah Carey first album came out, Katy was just 6 years old, so the eyes she sees Mariah with are different from the eyes of those who were teenagers at that time. There is not a video, or a credible source factually confirming what has been said. Do you guys remember when Mariah supposedly said the following on an interview back in the 90's: "Whenever I watch TV and see those poor, starving kids all over the world, I can't help but cry. I mean, I'd love to be skinny like that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff."? Enough said. (Friday 25 July 2014; 3:35)

Good over bad (45,572) by Carol from Spain I can say a million things about Mariah that I don't like. But those million things are nothing compared to what I love about her. So I choose good over bad. I think it's hard for some to do that around here. (Friday 25 July 2014; 2:38)

Re: Shelly from USA (45,571) by Carol from Spain First of all, I don't put anyone down: I give an opinion based on other people's opinions on this messageboard. Second: the fact you come here and post doesn't mean you like Mariah. Simply because most posts show you're here to criticize not support (I don't mean you specifically of course). Next: the promotion I said was meant for the webmaster post, no one else's. Buying albums and posting videos on social meadia is a better promotion of course. More: if you pay attention to some posts, they critique MC on everything from her hair to her weight. You're positive, that's good, but not everyone is like that. I find it quite insulting to see people attack her for everything she does. Nothing is good for them simply because she doesn't do what they want. And who named everyone a manager, stylist, hairdresser and assistant? Mariah is her own woman and some should let it be. My posts are not to be an axample to anyone. If some can critique her so much why can't I stand up for her the way I feel fit? When it comes to ignoring upseting posts there is a problem: I refuse to do that. The bottom line for me isn't the fact people saying they dont like it, it's the fact they do it over and over again. They attack and judge her like they own the truth about her life simply because they are fans. Say what you want and move along but no, not here. (Friday 25 July 2014; 2:33)

Mariah's voice (45,570) by RockyRoc from England I totally agree with Mariah's voice sounding more and more special when compared to other singers. I came across a video comparing the debut album vocals of Ariana Grande and Mariah, and I just can't explain how unfair that was for Ariana. I mean, I think it's fair when people compare her to present Mariah, but anything during the 90's, don't even bother. I don't mean to bash Ari, because she's pretty good, but when you compare Mariah's voice to someone as fresh as Ariana, you can see just how much of a "one in a million" voice our songbird supreme has. P.S. Butterfly is Mariah's best album ever. (Friday 25 July 2014; 0:57)

Shelly / Vanishing (45,569) by Bill from the UK Hi Shelly. I just want to say that I love your posts and what you bring to this message board. Thanks for being so enthusiastic and sharing your thoughts. I agree completely about Vanishing. That girl's version was nice, and it must be daunting to take on a Mariah song, but it just emphasised the quality and brilliance of Mariah's voice to me. I've probably played Vanishing 10,000 times in my life, but hearing this has given Mariah's classic a whole new lease of life for me. Been playing it on repeat most of the evening, this really is up there as one of her ultimate compositions and vocal performances. Spell binding. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 22:26)

Question (45,568) by Dove from USA When I found this site I had Googled "Mariah Carey discussion board" and this was the first link on that day. But I just noticed it says Messageboard. Is this a discussion board or more of a guest book type board? Are we only supposed to be posting the positive things we think, as if she would be reading them? [Webmaster: "Do you want to share your thoughts and ideas with other Mariah Carey fans. Are you looking for a special item for your collection? Or do you just want to talk about Mariah?" This means you can talk about everything Mariah related, the good and the bas stuff. But please don't insult Mariah, other artists or posters.] (Thursday 24 July 2014; 20:31)

Anja Nissen (45,566) by Dove from USA I just heard her version of Vanishing and although it was really good it was nowhere compared to the original. Whenever I hear other artists sing Mariah songs it makes me appreciate Mariah that much more. MC makes it sound effortless, like she just talks that way. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 20:16)

Beauty products Mariah uses (45,565) by Me. I am Carly from USA Hey lambs, I was looking through a bunch of photos and was able to identify some beauty products Mariah uses but has never mentioned by brand, for instance she uses a specific olive oil hair cholesterol conditioner. I got a huge container for 3.99 at Duane read it smells amazing and my hair is like Mariah silky. You can see the items on my Facebook page Church of Mariah. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 20:04)

Super human (45,564) by Dove from USA I was watching old YouTube videos of when MOIA came out. She was going on all the talk shows promoting her new fragrance Forever. She was putting it between her boobs and other parts of her body and singing notes. When I watch it now I think it's really cute and "so Mariah" but back then I remember I criticised her on a discussion board for doing that. I mean, I wasn't the first one to say it but I agreed. Also that she was acting like a drunk valley girl. After that she went on another talk show and she had a stone cold face and didn't do the fragrance routine that time. I feel so bad about that now because maybe someone told her what was being said and it hurt her feelings. Or they told her she couldn't do it. It just makes me think that I will be more careful with my criticism from now on. I think sometimes I live vicariously through her because she has a glamorous life, she's talented, rich, beautiful, sexy, blessed in every way. I think sometimes we see her as super human and even though we do love her maybe some of us do get a little jealous in a way, including me. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 20:00)

Carla (45,561) by Dove from USA Carla I went back and read some of your posts to get an idea of what a "real fan" acts like because I keep an open mind and can entertain the thought that maybe I am being too harsh. Reading your posts seriously drained me. Almost all of your posts are putting someone down. You say American fans have abandoned Mariah, and maybe a lot of us have, but some of us are still here. If we didn't care about Mariah we wouldn't waste our time coming on here to read and post. You tell us to support her and promote her - I'll speak for myself but I did buy her album, I've bought some of her albums several times over the years, I buy pretty much every other item she puts out if I can afford to, and I don't do this for any other artist. I always talk about her music to my friends and family and post her videos on social media. I'm on vacation right now but normally I don't have time to go on every article to fight the trolls, I'm not 13. I don't know how else I can support her. To some of us coming on here is like fantasy football. We discuss her career and everything she does and discuss what we like or what we would have done differently. It's human nature to critique. She's been in the public eye for 24 years and I'm sure she knows how it works. I highly doubt the reason she's not promoting is because of us. She probably just wants to be with her kids. I haven't seen anybody on here calling her a dog and what I've read on here has been constructive. Discussion boards are a place to discuss, not all comments can be rainbows, that's boring. I like coming here to connect with other people who love Mariah and follow her career and to pretend I'm part of her team. I know what I say doesn't matter but who cares? If you don't like what's being said, change the conversation. Set the example of how you think fan posts should read. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 19:31)

Mimi L (45,560) by Dove from USA They could use special effects to make just the dress look like a cartoon. Like to make it sparkle and move, but then the nightclub and her are real. I envision the part on top of the piano as a separate scene that it cuts away to. But maybe she could move around on it too during the performance in the club. Like in The Fabulous Baker Boys. That's why I said more support, so she can move around comfortably. No matter what she wears, one can tell she has huge boobs. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 18:24)

To b or not to b (45,559) by Carol from Spain So calling Mariah a b* isn't desrespectful? No matter what reason it is. Don't make excuses. I'm not saying you are right or wrong, I'm saying that part of your post should have been bleaked and substituted with the [...]. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 17:26)

No glove (45,558) by Darryle from USA Mariah didn't have a glove on at the Hercules premiere. This is like the first time I've seen her without one in a while. Her hand must have gotten better so good for her. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 16:59)

Carla (45,557) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I believe you were referring to my post. I didn't call Mariah a stuck up bitch. I said her actions tend to make her come across as one, and there's a difference between the two, as I was just making an observation, not bullying or name-calling. And I honestly feel like the webmaster is fair to us all. Peace. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 16:56)

Opinions everyone has one (45,556) by Carol from Spain I couldn't care less about what everyone thinks of me here but if you can say what you want, I say what I want. Over criticism is never good either here or anywhere in life. All we see on this messageboard is how fat she looks, how photoshoped is the cover, how plunging is the dress. No one talks about how happy she is whith her family which, is all she is focusing. Her priorities changed, but her "fans" here are stuck in th past. You want Mariah to sing like in the 90's? Well, that's why CD's were created, put one on. Stop wishing for the past to be present or future. The main words here are flop, promo, photoshop, fat, lypsinch. It's annoying to me, only me. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 14:28)

To webmaster re: All except what matters, shut down please (45,554) by Carol from Spain Dear webmaster, I love when you take your time yo answer me, but it's funny you just answer to people who actually disagree with your way of running a fansite or totally agree with you. Now, you are the one who doesn't read the posts at all, altough you have all those rules. Then you say you're all so supportive ? Well check out post 45,081, someone is calling MC a stuck up b*. There are others, but this is just an example. Regarding the blackness in her, there was a post a few weeks ago that made me laugh because someone said Sony didn't know she was black and when they found out they made up a cover story (unfortunally now, I don't have time to look for it, but I will). How can you dare to say most of you are supportive, when all you do is criticize the attitude, the voice, the dresses, the hair. Who made you experts? Regarding promotion: You should focus in doing your bit and buy the album. That's how you promote. Leave the rest to her and her people. I know, they aren't promoting but has anyone stopped to think that there is something beyond our knowledge? You criticize too much and that doesn't help at all. Besides, as a music fan I buy music not art covers or promotion. I care about the content, unlike many of you. Interviews/ performances: Why would she bother herself about that if all you do when she does them is critic? I mean, you ask if she knows what you think. Do you doubt she reads your tweets/facebook messages? You all care so much about Mariah, so you say. But where is the love? You buying the album isn't love proof, it's a proof of cinicism. No matter what you say, she will always do things her way. This used to be a good site for discussion but you became a group of pety people with nothing else to do. Get real and get down to business and be a fan or, in case you don't know the meaning, look it up in a dictionary. Final, on me being like the rest of you? No way that is possible, you'll never hear me complain about her lack of promo, her dresses, her live because I couldn't care less if she never sang live again. The truth is: you are all upset she didn't go on TV or isn't on the news all the time, which means you don't have new ideas to criticize her. Because that is all you do here. Besides, it's clear to me that, if she tried to promote the album wouldn't reach number 1 simply because her fanbase in the US is dead. Those are the posers of the story. So, instead of getting mad at her, I blame the fake American lambily, the ones who like to scream she's the top Billboard artist and then don't walk the talk. Get your act together webmaster because I'm not the one you should be attacking and I advise you to read the posts before accepting them because many of them go against the rules you created. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 14:22)

Katy (45,553) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I actually like Katy and own 2 of her albums, her first and latest. I think she's a decent singer with quite a distinctive voice that's unfortunately always buried under heavy production. I think some of her stuff is inspired, especially those that come from a raw, personal place and dusted with minimal commercial sheen. And in fairness, the girl knows how to create a catchy, easily accessible chorus just like Madonna, Britney, Rihanna, and GaGa. But unlike those artists, a lot of her hits (especially California Gurls, Last Friday Night and Roar) have an unapologetically commercial quality to them that feels tacky and even embarassingly so, but also somehow seems deliberate, which is weird. It's like the sonic equivalent of cheap nail polish, if that makes sense. So whether the rumors are true or not, I hope Mariah doesn't respond in any way, as Katy isn't worth the energy. After all, however this plays out, it seems like one of those silly issues that in 5 years, if remembered at all, will only be laughed at because of how mundane it is. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 12:54)

Mariah at the Hercules premiere (45,552) by Ken from USA Did anyone else think Mariah looked amazingly good? I first saw the photos on Instagram with no context and thought they were from late 2008 or 2009. Hope she continues with this look, she looks great. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 12:17)

Shelly (45,551) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Yes. You are absolutely right, I completely forgot about the Cameron Diaz song. I think it was also partly inspired by the Jessica Rabbit one. But yes, I meant the same setting, the club like one. Where her love interest would come and she would be on stage performing and dancing with cutscenes of her on a piano like you mentioned. She can get down from the stage and sing around the guy too. Lol we should send this idea to Mariah. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 12:05)

Album art (45,550) by Dove from USA I feel badly about what I said about the album art. If I met her in real life I wouldn't tell her to her face that I didn't love it. I am happy and thankful to have a new album and the music inside I do love. I guess I just meant that the album art is not horrible but it could have easily been better. When I see her on T.V. she looks radiant and happy and I like looking at her. The person on these covers is almost unrecognizable to me, they don't capture her essence and look more like paintings. The Japanese version was the best but even that one looked too much like the Charmbracelet cover. The full body one is my second favorite because it's different. They're not bad. I guess I just like her candid shots better. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 7:47)

Oh silly Katy Perry (45,547) by Stacey from USA Katy Perry can say or do whatever she wants to MC these days. What she can't change are Mariah's accomplishments. Those are set in stone. Put aside all the chart topping hits spanning over 20 years, MC has sold over 200 million records worldwide. When silly Katy has hit that number, then she can talk #ish all she wants. Until then? Shut it, Ms. Katy. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 7:30)

Why does anyone even believe the Katy Perry feud is true? (45,546) by Alexis from USA To me, the songs have a slight lyrical similarity. But, as a songwriter, is apparent to me that both were still trying to be creative. The melodies are not similar at all. Sing any other lyric over that excerpt of Black Widow and it would not remind you of Thirsty at all. I remember when the press said Mariah was feuding with Westlife when she wasn't. To me, this is exactly the same situation and I don't see why people don't see it is fake. The "throwback" comment wasn't classy, but it's Katy Perry. I really don't think this is a thing at all. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 7:27)

In the midst of all the perceived "negativity" (45,545) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines While we're all still breaking things because of the unspeakably horrible way this era has been handled, let's take a moment to remind ourselves of just how phenomenal Mariah's career has been so far. True, many female solo acts have burst into the spotlight throughout music history, but only once in a blue moon has one exploded, attained immense fandom, and sustained the same fever pitch of popularity for at least over a decade. It's often forgotten that Mimi belongs to that elite league of women. Unlike Madonna and Janet who are famously adept at living off of controversy and being daringly innovative; Mariah, with Whitney, are known for their sheer one-in-a-billion talent. There's a reason why each of them has earned at least 10 #1s each. (Rihanna and Katy have only caught up because of today's single-driven industry, plus, I know at least 3 of RiRi's #1s were just her piggybacking on other artists' songs.) And that's just the achievement part of it - we still haven't gotten to their cultural significance and legacy. Nothing reaffirms iconic status as much as the ability to make an epic comeback, which they've all managed to do with varying degrees of success. On top of it all, nothing says legendary quite like not being able to imagine today's musical landscape without them. Just listen to the radio, their influences are ubiquitous. That makes me so proud to be a fan, knowing just how much of a rarity Mariah is. Inescapable. Forever relevant. There will never be another. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 6:37)

Summer Jam (45,544) by NYHotShotta from USA I thought this lil piece with Mariah was cool. I wish there was more. Just skip to 8:00. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 6:25)

No filter no cleavage (45,543) by Gloria from Hong Kong Guess those selfies on twitter are responding to some nasty comments on her image/magazine shoots. Without PS she could still be beautiful. I just love how she reacts to the so-called media. (Thursday 24 July 2014; 6:18)

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