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Album experience (45,383) by Dove from USA B I like your idea for the Faded video. It made me think of Bye Bye where she's laying on the yellow couch so I went to watch it. The whole 2005-2006 Emancipation era was pretty magical, right up there with the Daydream era. Even though I accept they're not promoting MIAM, it does make me sad because good videos, performances, interviews, photos, album art, etc. are part of the album experience that we remember. Those things become part of us just like the songs do. I don't want to be selfish and demand more, I'm thankful she gave us an amazingly beautiful album. But I do wish we had more. No matter what I'll always be a fan. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 21:21)

Post 45364 (45,382) by Dove from USA I 100% agree with post 45364. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 19:54)

YDKWTD single cover blue dress (45,381) by Dove from USA Compared to the other cover it's a vast improvement. There are things I don't like about it. I love the dress. It looks like something that would flatter her body, it's a fun color, it showsoff her best asset (legs), and doesn't over expose her breasts. What I don't like is that she looks too skinny, especially her face. It looks skeletal, like she's anorexic. And now that you mentioned it, her legs do look too long and too skinny. I knew it was the same picture with the dress photoshopped on but I guess after the other cover my expectations were way lowered. I wish they wouldn't photoshop her so much. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 19:48)

Re: throwback moments (45,380) by Dove from USA To me YM(E) sounds like Underneath The Stars. The sad counterpart. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 19:39)

Billy / the gimmick (45,379) by Edward from USA Billy, those were great vocals, but I hope you know by now that when Mariah starts using her hand to cover her face or turns her face away from the audience is when the recording kicks in and she's lipping the high note. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 19:16)

Tarragan / Charmbracelet-whisper-like albums (45,378) by Edward from USA Tarraga, I was the one who made the comment. I love Charmbracelet, it is a great album, but the constant whispering was too much for most of us. I didn't make it up, it is what it is. Even Through The Rain, which was supposed to be her going back to her 90's days ballad, was mostly whispered. She wanted to create a Butterfly part 2 album, hence her reference to The Roof on Lullaby. I'm aware that it is extremely difficult to sing that way, but in the right doses I don't mind. Most fans didn't like the constant whispering, that's all. The success TEOM had proved that people wanted to hear her sing, not whisper. The return of the voice caught people's attention. Mariah was singing again. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 19:08)

Billy (45,377) by enwar00 from usa Yes, I loved My All. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 16:36)

Gorgeous vocals from 2012 (45,376) by Billy from Greece Why are the professional tapings so inferior, audio-wise, compared to amateur recordings like this, which showcase much more clearly the vocals? I don't get it. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 12:44)

TJ / Shelly (45,375) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I don't think it's the official cover. It's fan made. It's the same picture that's on the official chanteuse cover with a dress photoshopped on it, the background changed and a mic set infront of her. If you google "Aimssy Boudir Mariah Carey" then you'll see there are many artworks of the official chanteuse cover with clothes on. About 10-12 different clothes. However this blue one is not a part of that. I saw another fan post it so it originally so I am assuming he designed it. Whether Mariah picked it from the "send me your YDKWTD cover" thing or not, I can't be sure but yeah it's basically fan made. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 12:03)

Lee (45,374) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Had Mariah done all the promo she could and then it would have flopped, I don't think people would be complaining. They would know she did everything she could and then failed. But if it seems like she herself isn't excited about her album, then one can't expect people to get excited. If it was a bad album I wouldn't feel so bad that she didn't go around promoting. I hate that such a piece of art is suffering a bad label (lowest selling) when it had the potential to do so much better. Plus like I said, Mariah isn't even responding to the frustrations of the fans. I am sure she sees all the things people tweet her asking what on earth went wrong, but she just chooses to reply to the positive ones. And then she sends out JD every month to be hanged. I don't think it's JD's fault, the man clearly is pissed with the way the album is going. At least he is communicating with the fans. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 9:48)

Sweet A Capella (45,373) by Bill from the UK I woke up early today, and rather than getting straight up, I got my iPod and listened to some Mariah. I played the One Sweet Day single, and I forgot just how beautiful the Sweet A Capella remix is of that song. I haven't listened to that version in about a year. It is simply lovely, and one of my most favourite remixes she has done. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 9:10)

A bit torn (45,372) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines While I'm upset that Mariah has so far seemingly given up on her new release, I can't be happier for her every time she shares pics of her family. She seems genuinely fulfilled. She never planned on having kids, but you can see it in her eyes that she wouldn't have it any other way than it is now. This also may be the best way for her to deal with the media, because if she was out there promoting her ass off, she'd probably be deemed an unfit mother (even if Beyoncé, Britney, and J. Lo seem to be managing the balancing act well). True, MIAMTEC is too good an album to slack on, but I'm finally (gradually) accepting that this may be her graceful way of bowing out, although we all know she won't quit something that runs in her blood, so this may be the first sign of her slowing down a bit, especially since the music buying public isn't that welcoming of her anymore, even more now that there's a whole new school of younger artists to fill their needs. Mariah has been on top for a period even longer than most singers could only dream of. It's gonna take some getting used to not seeing her burn up the charts, but this was bound to happen sometime, and that started when she hit 40. Good news is that it allows her complete creative freedom, to do whatever she wants, whether that's to update her sound or to stay stuck in the past, because she's no longer that much concerned about sales. I feel like she'll just make even better music from now on, and we'll still be there to enjoy it. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 9:07)

Next move? (45,371) by TJ from Norway Her contract is over. What's her next move now? I mean, with those sales, and low sales since 2006, will any record company hire her, or is she going to release her own music without someone behind her? (Sunday 13 July 2014; 8:53)

Re: YDKWTD single cover blue dress (Shelly) (45,370) by TJ from Norway I don't like that picture, because they made her 2 feet taller. Look how long the legs are compared to her upper body. And she's skinny like I don't know what. It's not human. I hope she will release a cover that is not retouched. It's like looking at a cartoon figure. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 8:48)

Here we go again (45,369) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I rarely address or refer to ther fans here, but I'm with Marissa on this one. I re-read her recent posts and there's nothing wrong about them. This is what's wrong with us here on this board. It's almost always as if anything other than rainbows and butterflies (pun intended, but I digress) is posted here, some people are already out sharpening their pitchforks. Constructive criticism, especially if it's valid and as long as it's not overdone, is healthy. We can't be "yes"-fans all the time. The webmaster allows us to post almost everything, for better or worse, in the name of free speech. Difference in opinion is expected, hence some disagreements, but I don't see why those need or seem to always inadvertently resurrect the tired "loyal fans" vs. "real fans" debate. Ugh, like seriously, please just stop. If you see something you don't like or agree with, just post about something else entirely, such as anything you love about Mariah's music. It's what I do, and it takes my mind off the negativity while introducing other topics that may spark another discussion. (I personally love reading music-related posts from other fans that go into detail on what they like/dislike about a song, album, collaboration, etc.) Everyone has a inner troll inside, so I know trolling when I see it, and Marissa's posts definitely aren't. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 6:01)

Mariah Carey and her twins seem to enjoy 4th of July (45,368) by Cheryl Jones from American I am glad they injoyed this day together, I had a good holiday too, went to Wilson NC to see my grandparents. It's good to spend time with your love ones, looks like Mariah Carey and me had the right ideal. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 5:37)

Whisper-like albums? Really? (45,367) by Tarraga from New York City Really? I don't post very often here but this is just plain silly. I strongly and respectfully disagree with the person who said that "God only knows how many Charmbracelet-whisper-like albums she would've had by now" after Butterfly. Really? Charmbracelet is as good and balanced as MIAMTEC and Mariah doesn't whisper all the time. What's the thing against whispering? Does anybody know how tremendously difficult that technique is and how huge is the amount of energy one needs to sing it properly like Mariah does? There are strong vocals on that album too. In my opinion, Charmbracelet is one of her best albums ever. She not only uses a vast variety of colors but also different "vocal styles and techniques". Mariah has never done an unbalanced album. Fan since 1990. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 4:03)

Throwback moments on the album (45,365) by Darryle from USA I've been noticing lots of throwback moments on the album so I've made a list of each one. If anyone knows more I'd love to see what you got. Cry - It reminds me of Vanishing and VOL and its lyrics (till we both break down) bring me back to the song Breakdown. Faded - References The Roof in the first line: It was overcast that day. The Roof: It wasn't raining yet but it was a little misty on that warm November night. Or FOJ: It was twilight that 4th of July. Dedicated - References Fantasy: Remix of a fantasy, I hear 'em singing back to me like. The whistles at the end remind me of All In Your Mind. Beautiful - The whistles at the end make me think Dreamlover. Thirsty - Lyrically I think Obsessed or TMB because it talks about Instagram and TMB talks about YouTube MILG - Sound wise I think It's A Wrap and Forever. YM(E) - ? YDKWTD - The line and even more than you love floating in a haze. Makes me think ILT because of the line purple taking me higher. Supernatural - ? Meteorite - Sound wise I think Fly Away (Butterfly reprise) and Daydream interlude (Fantasy sweet dub mix). Lyrically I think Fly Away (Butterfly Reprise). Camouflage - I think of The Wind and TTEOT because of the wind sound effects on both tracks. Money - ? OMT - ? Heavenly - Fly Like A Bird part 2. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 2:59)

Re: One question (45,364) by juan from Dubai It's not about heavy promotion and sales. It's more of good image and good performances/entertainment that are clean and fit for a Mariah history. Good image, I'm sure she is a normal happy sassy woman and mom, but have her PR promote her in a better way, not a nonsense acting or pouring shades to younger singers or her contemporaries. Good styling for photoshoots, that won't deal on too much retouching no matter what her current physique is. Performances, once a year a concert that will cater to TV and YouTube era so good and live, you don't need to mess up with lipping. Videos that are as good as WBT or Honey or My All. And altogether, the right timing. But all she wants is to release her music. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 2:54)

Learning her lesson (45,362) by Darryle from USA I'm over this album. If it's promoted great, if it's not I guess I'm going to have to deal with it. At the end of the day I just hope Mariah learns her lesson. She needs to let us in on what's happening and don't leave us out in the cold. All that does is divide the fans. Hopefully she learns that promo and having the GP on your side is key to good sales. I believe sales are important to Mariah despite how many times she says that she'd still make music even without good sales. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 2:33)

Lee (45,361) by Darryle from USA I'll answer your question. If she did a lot of promotion and still only sold 40k I'd be ok with that. It would suck that the sales would be that low but at least I'd know she tried. I would know that the public is generally not interested in the album and Mariah could work from there to fix it. But she's not even trying to do something to promote this album so the public could generally be interested in it if they knew it was out there. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 2:20)

One question (45,360) by Lee from USA What would you all have said if Mimi went hard on the promotion and MIAM ended up selling up 40k anyways? If she sits on her ass, then she is lazy. If she goes ham, then she is seen as desperate and over-the-hill. It's kind of pointless to go hard on Mimi about her album sales when virtually everyone else is doing worse. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 1:48)

Marissa / too much control (45,359) by Edward from USA Marissa, I couldn't have said it better, your analogy was right on point. Some fans don't understand that seeing Mariah go down the way she's going down is painful considering such an amazing catalog. You can clearly see JD's hands were tied from the beginning. His frustration for not having an input on MIAMTEC promotion can be sensed in his interviews. We fans need to open our mouths because if it weren't for us voicing our discontent, Mariah would've whispered her career to death after Butterfly. If we hadn't expressed the fact that we wanted her to sing more and whisper less, God only knows how many Charmbracelet-whisper-like albums she would've had by now. MIAMTEC is great, well balanced, but if she doesn't bring her A-game, we'll be having another album in probably 6 or 7 years. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 0:54)

MIAMTEC (45,358) by Abraham from USA As much as I love the album, I'm just going to wait and focus on album #15. This whole era has been a mess. If Mariah still plans on going on with the album, cool. If she doesn't, that's okay too. It sure would be great to see a video from her. I think "YDKWTD" would do good as a single. (Sunday 13 July 2014; 0:45)

Is it love or enabling? (45,357) by Marissa from USA I think it's so interesting that the holier than thou fans feel like anyone who gives constructive criticism isn't a fan, yet they are encouraging Mariah to do things that are destroying her legacy and undermining her credibility. Your level of expectations for Mariah have drastically plummeted if you think that asking for more promo is an unreasonable request. Isn't that what every artist does? Contrary to popular belief among the lambs, Mariah isn't above promotion and her sales reflect that. Since some people love telling who's a fan and who's not let me tell you what I think. I think there is a difference between being a fan and being an enabler. I think there is such thing as loving someone too much. Some of you remind me of those parents that will give their kids all the juice, candy, cookies and cake that they want whenever they want it because it makes them "happy" but you're really setting them up for juvenile diabetes and obesity in the near future. You guys want to excuse everything Mariah does trying to be "positive", when you're really encouraging her to continue doing things that are making her the laughing stock of the industry and reinforcing people's beliefs that she's a has-been. (Saturday 12 July 2014; 23:52)

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