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Mariah's voice (39,551) by Trish from USA I saw Mariah live at Cesar's Palace in 2003 from the front row. I was actually kind of nervous beforehand because talk of voice decline was around (sigh) 10 years ago, but ever since then I just roll my eyes when I hear it. That night I heard the best singer ever sing, and I know she was singing because I could hear her before the microphone and saw her spit sometimes. The live versions of Can't Take That Away, and My Saving Grace stuck out to me that night because they were so much better than the album versions. The conversations about lipping are tired. She's truly the greatest, and we are so blessed that a talent of her caliber (has there ever been a better singer let alone song writer?) is so good to her fans, and has her incredible work ethic. I'm so excited for 11/11. Perhaps you're just looking for something to talk about while we wait? But did she lip in 2005? Who cares? (Thursday 24 October 2013; 17:42)

WBT BET compared to Grammies (39,550) by RadChad from United States Well I have to point out that extra theatrics (during that era) didn't necessarily mean she was lipping. Everyone talked about how bad the 05 BET Awards performance of WBT was and she was running around stage and everything (and there's no question that was fully live). I've noticed during that era in general (especially the beginning) Mimi was feeling a little more confidant in her voice and on stage with the GMA, VH1 Save the Music concerts etc. So throwing a full spin in FLAB just didn't really strike me as an "aha" moment. From my observation she started becoming more self conscience and stiff on stage during the E=MC2 era. Now don't get me wrong, I know there were many times she relied on the backing track for that last note of WBT amongst many other performances, but I'm just saying I heard all the raw imperfections in that Grammy performance even the "woo Jesus" sound unidentical IMO. But to each its own who really knows anyway. (Thursday 24 October 2013; 3:05)

Grammy / vocal peak (39,549) by Will from Australia I think it's not just the Grammies but on most live versions of WBT Mariah uses the lip sync for the key change chorus and I completely agree with that body launguage statement used to disguise the lip sync. But so what? I'd rather she did that than try and strain her vocal and have another MJ memorial episode. When I think about vocal peak I focus mainly on her live performances as anyone can sound fantastic on a record. The Daydream tour I struggle to identify a single questionable lip sync performance, seems all live and her tone and fluidity is off the charts. Later tours and live performances is when I started to noticing these moments of sync. I have to say though that I was blown away at the quality of her voice in Sydney this year, especially the "Loves takes time" cameo she did, wow I thought, she's still got it! (Thursday 24 October 2013; 0:32)

Joe (39,548) by Stacey from USA The 2006 Grammy performance was awesome. The WBT part, first, second verse and choruses of FLAB were 100% live. My only objection to the medley being all live was the end of FLAB where as Joyce put it, she did more theatrics, turning around, etc. But, it's ok if some disagree with me. I don't take someone disagreeing with me so personal. Know what I mean? I too am excited to hear a new MC song. (Wednesday 23 October 2013; 23:52)

Eric (39,546) by Will from England Depends lol. If Mariah wanted to break that jacket, she would have taken a deep breath, zipped it further up, and breathed out. Seams would have been ripped lol. As for it being zipped further down, would you like to take bets on whether or not that the zip was indeed lower before they hit record? (Wednesday 23 October 2013; 22:52)

Zipper (39,545) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands Is it a good or a bad thing the zipper couldn't go further down? (Wednesday 23 October 2013; 22:44)

Press round (39,544) by Will from England Well, Mariah's certainly doing the press round this time. How many interviews in a space of a few hours? 4? 5? One on a major (I assume it's major) news network no less. Ok, seems JD knows what he's doing! I also like how they addressed why exactly they decided to release the song through Facebook. From another stand point, it's also quite smart. For YouTube, there are sites that allow you to download the audio from a video, so by doing it through Facebook directly, that (I think) reduces the chances of it being ripped off and illegally downloaded. So I'm liking the way this is shaping up. (Wednesday 23 October 2013; 21:54)

Just saying (39,543) by Joe from United Kingdom I just wanted to say in one of my previous post I was actually in agreement with what Joyce said. I sometimes think things can come across differently from how they're meant to. I'll look back at something I posted and be like hold up, wait a minute that's not what I meant. Lol. (Wednesday 23 October 2013; 21:52)

Lipping vocal peak (39,542) by Joyce from USA I'm sure I can tell the difference when she is singing live and lipping. I respect disagreement and welcome debates and opposing views, but not mean-spirited irate fantail replies. With that said, I look at the muscles near the bottom of her throat. When you sing they move. I've studied live performances in order to better my own and notice she is a superior live performer when actually singing live. She dials into this zone where it's just her and the microphone in the whole world. All of her consciousness goes into her voice and to a way lesser degree, body language. When lipping, that main focus then goes all to theatrics of expression with her body language and the microphone and camera angles will evade and obscure close-ups of her mouth moving as much as possible. Her tone and vocal ease on "When I Saw You" is still somewhat there on "Lead the way", but never was to be seen again since. To me that's vocal peak. That middle range, not the low wispery or loud notes, but that middle range she does very little of since The Emancipation Of Mariah. (Wednesday 23 October 2013; 19:07)

Rehashed Grammy 06 performance (39,541) by RadChad from United States Well, I was one of the people who didn't think she lipped that performance and I stand by my statements as well. I know she lips or partially lip sometimes (I can tell, I was never fooled by it, I just kept it to myself), but I'm not about to adapt the notion that every half way decent performance had to be lipped. Because I just simply don't believe that. (Wednesday 23 October 2013; 17:11)

11/11 The Art Of Letting Go (39,540) by Joe from United Kingdom In other news, I'm really looking forward to hearing the new song. I'm curious as to wether it's a ballad or not. It seems like it would be considering how Mariah described it, but you'll never know. The wait is not much longer now. (Wednesday 23 October 2013; 14:49)

Re Stacey (39,539) by Joe from United Kingdom Oh, I didn't realise it was you who said it lol. I completely agree with what you said and what you're saying. I just find it over the top when people (not you) have to become so defensive when you know the truth and you're just stating it, that's all. It's not a big deal anyway. Peace. (Wednesday 23 October 2013; 14:13)

Joe (39,538) by Stacey from USA That was me who mentioned the Grammys 2006 performance. I stand by what I say, even if some disagree with me. Who cares? All singers lip, so let's move on. (Wednesday 23 October 2013; 3:31)

Singers lip (39,537) by Stacey from USA The best of singers lip, end of discussion. Moving on. (Wednesday 23 October 2013; 3:30)

Live vs lipped (39,535) by Joe from United Kingdom Nobody shoot me, but the one thing Joyce said about people (even lambs) always debating wether her this or that is completely lipped or completely live baffles me aswell. As a lamb once you've seen literally every performance you should find it easy to tell. She rarely does lip sync a whole performance, BET Awards not included. It's usually a mix of both live and lipped, like her live/dubbed/lipped showing at American Idol. I hate to sound like I'm bashing her or bringing up the voice debate again, because I'm not. I'm just being realistic, but I can remember someone on here before metioned that a certain Grammy's performance wasn't fully live and everybody jumped to say "How could you? What are you talking about? You're not a real lamb.".Obviously that's an exaggeration, but it's abit annoying when people get so defensive and all you're doing is being realistic. If you want to believe in make believe, that is up to you. I apologise if you're offended by what is called reality. (Tuesday 22 October 2013; 23:21)

Great post Stacey (39,534) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I so agree with everything you said. Especially about Merry Christmas and album range. "Vocal peak" is all a judgment call anyway, so that's subjective and going to change based on what each person's thoughts and feelings are on the subject. Know what I mean? The one thing I know about MC is to never, ever count her out. Many people felt she had accomplished all she was going to musically, and then We Belong Together and TEOM exploded onto the scene. Her last few efforts may not have had the success people attribute to "Mariah Carey" but realistically with all the change in the industry and other factors involved with Mariah's life and choices she's made ect, the work wasn't "the worst ever". Sometimes I think perspective can get lost easily. Especially, when comparing Mariah to her own body of work. She sets the bar really high and as such the lambs have equally high expectations. The price you pay fpr earning the title best selling female vocalist. Lol. You're not always going to hit the home runs. I have a good feeling about the new album though. I can't explain it. (Tuesday 22 October 2013; 20:37)

Vocal peak (39,533) by Jamie from UK Doesn't Mariah has several vocal peaks? She often has that standout song(s) on each album which just blows you away with her vocals, i.e. "All in your mind", "You're so cold" (intro), "Without you", "O holy night", "When I saw you", "Butterfly", "Can't take that away", "Lead the way", "Mine again"... (Tuesday 22 October 2013; 18:57)

Changed persona after Luis Miguel (39,532) by Joyce from USA Her voice has changed and has she. Remember she had vocal surgery to remove nodules on her voice. Since then, it’s been a strain to do the things one common. Also, at this point in her career the fire is not as intense as she has made it. She has literally concord the world. That means less vocal training and maintaining. That is why she does the pre-recorded and live signing combo when singing “live”. I am really surprised only a few have figured that one out rather than the back and forth debate of if it's real or pre-recorded. 1995 and 1996 where peak vocals for here. There were no breaks, cracks nor scratchy tones that first appeared in Butterfly, though maneuverability was the same. Glitter was the last album where there was little or no strain in her songs and vocal acrobatics were still plenty. It’s all downhill after Louise Miguel. After that her persona changed and so did her voice. (Tuesday 22 October 2013; 18:41)

Vocal peak / vocal ability debate (39,531) by DivergentIntel from United States of America This horse has been beaten to death many times, yet of course in the lamb universe it still seems to get talked about lol. Anyways, I must say that there is a big difference between your voice changing and losing your voice. Many people claim Mariah lost her voice. She certainly hasn't lost it at all. Her vocal tonality/tone is the same but it's the texture that has changed. I've always been curious as to how Mariah changed her vocal technique or style slightly. It seems as if in every era Mariah changes her sound slightly but I've been curious as to why. I honestly believe that Mariah changes her voice on purpose more so to be versatile. I also think that she doesn't like to sing in full voice because she has become a big star and doesn't have to prove it and her previous best works help speak and sell for her and her name. As for Mariah's vocal peak, it's so hard to choose. I'd say that 1990 to 2005 were her absolute vocal peak period. However I'd say Daydream was her vocal peak and where she reay branched out as an artist and with integrity and legacy. (Tuesday 22 October 2013; 16:06)

Whitney song cover (39,529) by Ryan from the Philippines I would love to hear her cover Ms. Whitney Houston's song. I hope this goes out to her, if you guys remember we were talking about Mariah and Miguel should work together and months later, it did happen. Her voice would sound really fantastic if she covers "You Give Good Love" or "Run To You" or "Where Do Broken Hearts Go". That would be a very nice tribute to one of the world's greatest artist. Or Michael Jackson's "You Are Not Alone" would be great too. (Tuesday 22 October 2013; 10:33)

Vocal peak (39,528) by Stacey from USA Emotions is a great album, one to be appreciated and admired for what Mariah accomplished vocally on that album. Even MC herself has said Civiles and Cole pushed her voice to the stratosphere on Emotions and MIH. But someone who says that was her vocal peak has not heard Merry Christmas, Daydream, or TEOM. Yeah, go listen to Circles and that octave run she has toward the end of the song around minute 2:42. Brilliant. Sure, things have changed, she's had to adjust keys of songs and such. I mean, if you want to clearly say what her vocal peak was, I'd argue Butterfly to Rainbow. But even then that's not a fair statement because she has had so many amazing songs since then that show she still has it. Grammys 2006 anyone? (Tuesday 22 October 2013; 7:24)

The new videos / Emotions (39,527) by Licia from USA I love these little moments on video she has. I died when she said she would knock someone the f*ck out. It was a funny moment not to be taken seriously. Now watch people ruin it by making a big deal out of her saying the eff word. 11-11 is not too far away. Anyway I love the Emotions album, but I don't agree that she was at her vocal peak on this album. (Tuesday 22 October 2013; 2:58)

Lead the way (39,526) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia On that song, Mariah's vocal is at its peak. Period. (Tuesday 22 October 2013; 2:14)

Vocal peak (39,525) by Lee from UK People who say Emotions was Mariah's vocal peak clearly haven't listened hard enough to Merry Christmas. Now the vocals on that album are perfect and, in my opinion, Mariah has yet to better those vocals. (Monday 21 October 2013; 19:29)

Mariah covering Whitney? (39,524) by Tory from Australia There is this rumor floating around that Mariah is planning to remake Whitney Houston's "You Give Good Love" for her upcoming album. Considering I've only heard it on YouTube and nowhere else, I'm not even going to entertain that thought lol. That's actually one of my favourite Whitney songs, I'd say top 5. You know Mariah likes her covers lol aside from EOM, E=MC2 and pre-MTV Unplugged, she always includes a cover on her albums. I'm not sure how the lambily feels about them, but I personally like most if not all of her remakes. I like that she could take a rock ballad or disco ballad etc and put her own style on it. I may be biased as a lamb in that regard lol, but imo I've never liked when artists cover a song and it sounds exactly the same as the original, from the vocals to the production lol. To me, you know a cover is great when you can listen to it on it's own and not get flashbacks of the original in your ear, or have a sudden urge to listen to the original. A great cover should stand on its own. (Monday 21 October 2013; 14:44)

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