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Re: End of the affair (96,244) (96,245) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Mariah didn't dance at Diva's Live because... Tommy Mottola. FFS . I think if anyone were to step back and assess what has happened here: - Mariah is an eternal victim of everyone around her - Mariah has never contributed to any negativity that has befallen her - Mariah is no longer a mixed race person but a black woman (coinciding with the BLM movement) - Mariah is mature but throwing many people under a bus No wonder people are calling this out now as total bullshit. And no wonder people are abandoning her. Is this a likeable person? Maybe so. Maybe not. But this book if clearly full of bullshit. To say that TRL was a set up? That she was perfectly normal? Kiss my ring. I am seriously finding it difficult to feel anywhere near the same about Mariah as I did before. It is well documented here that I detest lies and liars. Someone's lie is not permissible made by labelling "their truth" and dismissing analysis and criticism of it. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 12:21)

Re: End of the affair (96,243) (96,244) by Bill from the UK Well I was always told if it is somebody's perception, then it is real to them. Therefore, if it is real to Mariah, then I believe that she believes it to be the truth. In the grand scheme of things what some geeky remix obsessed pedantic fuddy duddy like me thinks or believes doesn't really matter, it's not my story to tell. To your point around Mariah standing still during Testimony, yes, that happened and was noticeable. But I remember also reading a story where someone was talking about Mariah being at some party. She got up to go to the dance floor and Tommy sent her back to sit alone by herself as "Mariah shouldn't and doesn't dance". The memoir shows how much the actions of others have impacted Mariah hugely, even small things (your left side is better). For all we know it could have been residual insecurities around that comment that was made about her. And let's not forget the moment in her memoir where her grandmother forced her to dance to prove she was black. We don't really know the whole picture and what was racing through her mind that night, or what insecurities she was dealing with at the time. If her voice wasn't on point, did she really want to make it worse by awkwardly dancing and having that judged by everybody as well? The memoir has certainly given me new perspectives on all her actions, and my overarching response to most criticisms now is that we should cut her some slack and forgive her missteps and not be so hard on her. She's had it hard enough already and her fans should be the last people to contribute to that. I still will not hold back around awful musical choices like Why You Mad and Infinity, as she can do much better, but to judge her as a person and her actions, put simply, it's not my place. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 11:35)

Re: End of the affair (96,231) (96,243) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Big Willy, what say you on that book? Do you believe it? (Thursday 15 October 2020; 10:27)

Re: What is going on here (96,236) (96,242) by Norman from USA We'll see where it lands. That'll go far to help determine what the final product will look like. I'm more excited for the Apple+ tv Christmas special right now. And that's only because it's with Apple. If I hear Hallmark or Bravo, I'm out. I'm skipping that project. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 10:24)

Re: Mariah unfiltered feelings about things (96,234) (96,241) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Okay. Would the proper response to Mariah's bullshit retelling of the story to play Divas's Live in front of her and point out that during Testimony Shania and Celine are pumped and dancing with each other, Carole goes over to pair up and dance with Gloria and Mariah - Mariah is stood statuesque on her own looking like a lemon. She appears extremely awkward and very aloof. Would it not be appropriate to ask if it is actually for this reason that she disappears into the background? Would it not be appropriate to ask if she struggles singing such a high song when asked to join in by Aretha and then ask her if Aretha demanding Celine to "help [her] lift it" was a response to Mariah's failure to do so? Would it show journalistic integrity to ask her if she has thrown Celine under a bus to try to rewrite what actually happened - that Mariah acted aloof, tried to hide from the spotlight due to vocal restrictions and then failed when brought into the spotlight? Would it be appropriate to ask her why *this* made that book but other stories involving the likes of Eminem did not? Oh, Eminem didn't "pertain to the meaning of Mariah Carey"? That's odd. He did enough to warrant writing songs called Clown and Obsessed about him. I don't recall any songs about Diva's Live called "White Canadian Bacon (Wish I Could Sing Like That)". I wish Mariah had written the book solely sbout her childhood and upbringing. That was special and eyeopening and endearing and heartbreaking. The rest of the book is (Thursday 15 October 2020; 10:18)

Re: What is going on here (96,235) (96,240) by Lady B from USA I totally feel you. I think people just like to harp on the negative. I tried to ask folks who they thought were positives in the book and got maybe 1 reply. Such is life I guess. haha. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 09:08)

Re: Mariah unfiltered feelings about things (96,234) (96,239) by Aliya from Canada If we are still talking about Celine, do people remember when Mariah sang with Olivia Newton-John? In the performance, Mariah clearly takes a step back to let Olivia's vocals shine because Olivia is a legend in her own right and it was her song. By doing this, Mariah showed her respect for Olivia. I feel like Mariah may have genuinely thought that Celine should have given the same respect to Aretha when they performed. I didn't consider this before, but after re-watching the performance of Mariah and Olivia, I can see where Mariah is coming from when talking about Celine in her book. I also don't think Celine meant any harm and didn't realize that she may have upstaged Aretha. She was simply singing and trying her best, as a singer should, but didn't mean to disrespect anyone. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 06:17)

Re: Everything Fades Away (96,137) (96,238) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I have to agree. I’ve always liked the song but ever since the new album came out I have a deeper love for it. It has been on repeat a lot. I love it. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 03:28)

Re: Deflated and angry (96,222) (96,237) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa Anytime. (highfive ) (Thursday 15 October 2020; 01:59)

Re: What is going on here (96,235) (96,236) by RibbonB from USA Meanwhile Mimi has a bestseller and is entertaining making a movie during a pandemic. I wonder will it be Netflix or Amazon prime? Either is better than her Hallmark movie attempt. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 01:42)

What is going on here (96,235) by Bobby A from United States I check the board 3-4 times a day. And all that I am seeing lately is "Deflated/Angry", "Inauthentic/TRL" , "Celine" and "The End Of The Affair". TMOMC was supposed the bring all of us together as one. What happened to the excitement two weeks ago? Don't you still love MC? I know, nobody asked you Robert-Anthony. Lol. Carry on then. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 01:22)

Mariah unfiltered feelings about things (96,234) by Mirage_Nunez from America I mean, what would we expect Celine to say when asked about Aretha/ Divas 08, "Yea she thought she was about to out sing us, so I had to show her I wasn't the one, but we good now." Of course she's going to say something very diplomatic. Like I said before, I love Celine too and think she's one of the sweetest ever, got my entire life to Falling Into You and Lets Talk About Love, but she's fierce, bold, and very confident on stage, if her "ego" comes out anywhere it will be on that stage and in that vocal booth. I say that to say that it's very possible for her to be a sweetheart and also at the same time have a competitive moment on stage with Aretha as well. Judging from Mariah and Carole's accounts collectively I've gathered that there was an obvious energy in the air that Aretha was being a vocal bully that night and Celine was standing up to her (which is the flip side of how MC felt about the ordeal) and like someone else said SNL even mocked Celine in a skit afterwards with her taking over the songs and singing over people's voice. Of course they exaggerated, but the point is Mariah wasn't just picking on Celine because she racist and "hates white women" (I mean she reveres Cyndi Lauper, Olivia Newton John, [Barbra] etc as well... not to mentioned her white billionaire former fiancé from a few years ago, her white makeup artist so on and so forth), others also felt the same way. Grant it I'm not personally mad at Celine for the simple fact that Aretha was going in that night and holding her own, but I can understand why others ie Mariah was bothered by that as a fan that reveres Aretha and hold her in high regards. Whether you feel Celine was out of line or well in her right is totally subjective and people will always be split on the subject. Another thing, Mariah was never a competitive vocalist when sharing the stage and has always been a little self deprecating actually when it came to her voice even in her prime ("I don't think I'm even coming close to how Aretha sings this, but this is just my tribute to her" *proceeds to sing Don't Play That Song For Me*) so I do believe she still wouldn't have tried to go toe to toe with Aretha that night (even if she was in Tokyo Dome voice during Divas 08'). I think Mariah's ego and pride lies more in her songwriting capabilities and accomplishments as an artist. Singing with Boyz II Men and Luther is different, the female singer is expected to do all the high vocal gymnastics as the male voice is there to compliment them, so I didn't see those collaborations as her trying to out sing them or necessarily out singing them at all Luther and Wanya both were up there with her with their voices. Lol. At the end of the day we all have raw undiluted feelings about things and even come on public forums like this one to express them, yet we're bothered when Mariah speaks her mind and express her true thoughts on a matter. We don't have to share the same opinion as her, but let's not be hypocritical when it comes to her doing or saying things in the same vein we'd say them if we had a grievance about something or someone. I think everyone is just having a moment once the smoke is clear and feelings are settled all the ship jumpers will swim back to board. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 01:16)

Re: Deflated and angry (96,215) (96,233) by Geronimo from USA I read everything you wrote but I cannot discern what it is exactly that you feel has been a lie? Could you state the deception explicitly? (Thursday 15 October 2020; 00:55)

Re: Inauthentic / TRL (96,228) (96,232) by Geronimo from USA The question is why did her mother prevent her from sleeping and then call the New York police when Mariah needed medical attention? The police have nothing to do with medical care. Breaking dishes in your own home and acting a fool on MTV don't require white men with guns to come get you. Lord have mercy, dude. It doesn't matter if one calls Patricia a racist or not. The label itself doesn't matter. Look at how she uses the power differential that comes with her position in race hierarchy. She has plenty of experience navigating that structure and knew what she was doing. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 00:41)

Re: End of the affair (96,226) (96,231) by Bill from the UK I agree, I certainly wouldn't say this was Mariah actively lying to her fanbase, more that these experiences are incredibly personal, private, and difficult to talk about. My friends and family certainly don't know all my troubles, nor would I ever wish to burden them with them either. Given how harrowing and awful these experiences were, and that many involved her family, it is completely understandable to me why she wouldn't be talking about this publicly. But, for those of us familiar with her discography, she has been telling these stories, vicariously through her music. It was all there, in black and white, right before our eyes and ears. Now those songs are interwoven throughout the memoir to further illustrate that. Close My Eyes, Looking In, Petals, The Roof, Outside etc. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 23:33)

Re: The Rarities album (96,224) (96,230) by Bill from the UK Yes I noticed that as well and it made my list in my Log of Inaccuracies which I will be sharing once I've done my second pass through of the memoir. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 23:25)

Re: End of the affair (96,226) (96,229) by RibbonB from USA Well said. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 23:17)

Inauthentic / TRL (96,228) by Andrew from the United Kingdom The perfect word to describe parts of that book. Case study: TRL. Mariah asks you to believe that there is absolutely nothing wrong with her car-crash TRL performance. Anyone with working eyes and an intellect can see she is off the scale mentally, exhibiting alarming behaviour. Mariah wants to rewrite this in her favour. Watch TRL and put soapy plates in this person's hand in the middle of drama in a house. Then tell me it was racist and wrong to institutionalise her. Who is buying this bullshit? (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 23:14)

Derek Jeter (96,227) by Will from Australia I’m still reading the book while listening to her audiobook, I was really surprised with how much attention the build up to her relationship with Derek and then commencement received, for her to then just give a paragraph about how they just didn’t work out. No details about what went down or insights into the two stars trying to make it work complications. As a reader that kinda irked me, why dedicate several chapters to just cut the conversation off. Maybe this is part of the lack of self awareness narrative (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 22:45)

Re: End of the affair (96,212) (96,226) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I'm just gonna address the why now part. Do you know of any mixed race superstar of Mariah's stature who was vocal about any issues regarding race in the 90s? 2000s? Or how about any other LGBTQ+ actor who was out and proud and loud other than Ellen? These are issues we can talk about openly these days, but back then, you would be crucified for getting too political or for actively speaking out on anything controversial. Hence, by your logic, every public figure back then was busy maintaining some sort of illusion, suppressing their thoughts and feelings, because that's how they kept their career alive - by sticking to what they do best and not pissing people off. Should we single Mariah out for simply playing by the rules of the game back then? This may not be the best analogous situation, but if an actor who has always been rumored to be gay his entire life just decided to publicly come out 30 years into his career during Pride month and openly speak about his troubles of being in the closet in Hollywood, will you question his intentions and think he's just doing so to revive his career because gay rights are more widely recognized today? I've been a fan of Neil Patrick Harris since I was a kid watching reruns of Doogie Howser, M.D. and never felt betrayed or lied to when he came out much later. I don't think his many years of not being out whilst being a public figure was a disservice to the gay community. Same with Ricky Martin and Matt Bomer. Since you believe in respect for all people regardless of age, gender, race, etc., I'd think it would also come natural for you to respect the level of comfort and self-acceptance that is required for people to publicly discuss potentially divisive/controversial aspects of themselves, and that sometimes, getting there takes time. Mariah is clealy still on that journey with her identity issues, she just happened to publish some of it. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 22:37)

Memoir (96,225) by We are lambily from USA Thank you Mariah for sharing your truth. Also congratulations for selling over 400k worldwide in a week. That's crazy. I hope we get more interviews and signed books and stuff. The response has been unbelievable amazing. I feel like this era is about making people fall in love with Mariah once again and repair her image. And I hope after the Christmas domination we get a uptempo lead single in January. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 22:07)

The Rarities album (96,224) by Ethan from United States The PR team should have released the Tokyo Dome concert as a digital format and on YouTube during the #MC30 Friday instead of including it in the The Rarities. Imagine streaming 150 minutes versus 30 minutes of music these days? Obviously, you won't get many rotations in 24 hours, 7 days a week. Thus, Mariah could have squeezed in 3 more songs, such as There For Me, Runway, Skydiving, etc. to enhance The Rarities and increase its sales/streams. What a missed opportunity. P.S. Did anyone see the typo in TMOMC saying I'll Be There is the 5th #1? Even Mariah lost rack of her own #1s. It's her 6th. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 22:01)

Re: Transcripted: The Oprah Conversation (96,207) (96,223) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Let me just give an example of journalistic integrity. Mariah: "Let’s not forget [the Glitter album was released on] September 11, 2001." No interviewer responds to this properly. Would the proper response not be to ask why Glitter's first week sales were about 120,000 and Jay-Z's Blueprint album, released the same day, were about 420,000? It is an apt question. In response to the "Hellooooo, it was a soundtrack, darling" (in faux "British" accent often used to dismiss the plausible), would the proper response not be to ask why the album was promoted as a Mariah Carey studio album, why it was billed nowhere as a soundtrack and indeed why it didn't include "OST" anywhere on the cover? Is it fair to ask why it has been redesignated in retrospect? To the insistance that "Helloo, Loverboy reached Number 2 and was the highest selling blah blah that year", would the proper response not be to quote the heavily reported heavy price reductions on the single which led to the upsurge in sales? There is no journalistic integrity anywhere. Yes, Mariah may relate her own truth. But, I am sorry, there is obvious bullshit going on here and lambs and fans alike are not stupid. Don't waste our time with this crap rewriting of history. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 21:52)

Re: Deflated and angry (96,211) (96,222) by Anonymous from Thank you Nicki, that is really kind of you. High 5. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 21:43)

Re: Deflated and angry (96,218) (96,221) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa That part. (Wednesday 14 October 2020; 21:40)

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