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Re: Dreamteam (94,807) (94,828) by Bobby A from United States So, MC is back in the studio with JD. I think it is a good idea for her to rekindled that WBT magic with JD and Johnta. We are long overdue for a WBT follow-up. She did it with The Roof and Lullaby. DFAU was not a true follow-up to WBT nor was ISIL. I hope she keeps working on the new album through April of next year. I want her to get it right with the best follow-up to Caution. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 04:14)

Re: Triumphant (94,826) (94,827) by Bobby A from United States You all have forgotten who MC wrote Triumphant for. Remember she wrote it for Nick when he got really sick and found out he had an auto-immune deficiency disease. So, Triumphant was the song MC never really saw as having a potential to be a hit song but her way of supporting her husband during his illness. (Thursday 6 August 2020; 04:06)

Re: Triumphant (94,817) (94,826) by TheWind from England Just to be clear, it wasn't even an era, that's how out of touch it was with Mariah's fan base, as well as the general public. If Mariah fans were the problem, what was the issue with the general public, were they somehow deluded as well? Triumphant was garbage. It sounded like it was recorded through a cheese grater. If that's your introduction to Mariah, and let's say, the bar in terms of excellence for you, then I feel for you. There is a back catalog of B sides that Triumphant can't even hang with. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 22:57)

Re: Triumphant (94,820) (94,825) by TheWind from England Finger snap, and twirl in agreement. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 22:51)

MC30 (94,824) by Will from Australia The more I think about it the more I reckon we're not going to get all that we hoped for with MC30 like the demo tape etc If she gave it all up now, she'd have nothing to commemorate each albums major anniversary or even to grow her estate when she's gone for Roc & Roe. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 22:45)

Re: Triumphant (94,820) (94,823) by We are lambily from USA Randy, [there] is a difference between not feeling her songs and just posting hateful stuff every time she releases something. Back to [Triumphant], that's why she gave us her best remixes since [TEOM], she put a lot of work into her music. Sorry but don't put [Butterfly] next to [Snoozebox] and [Daydream] with all of its skips. But yes I do believe Faded, Ydkwtd, [#Beautiful] etc hold its own against her previous work. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 22:06)

Re: Dreamteam (94,810) (94,822) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Okay, it's not like we needed any confirmation, but this string of comments just solidifies whatever feelings you have about Walter. Where the hell is this hostility coming from? It's making you look worse than the person you criticize so much. Hilariously so. 1) I'm not too fond of the guy either, but I can't deny that at least half of the material he and Mariah created has become an undeniable part of the foundation upon which she has built her legendary career and partly owes her longevity from. Despite not exactly being one of them, I can understand why many fans out here would like the two to work again. So purposely inserting an unnecessary Walter diss in a post that didn't warrant such comparison at all doesn't really put you in a positive light now, does it? 2) Apples and oranges. It's very difficult to objectively compare two producers who have distinctly different production styles and sounds, are powerhouses in their respective genres, and who both were instrumental in the success of many artists, albums and chart topping hits. Most of us here have actually consciously experienced the 90's, which is why we know that Walter has definitely produced a lot of stuff for other artists, including a little song called My Heart Will Go On, which you might have heard of. You remembering the Mariah ones only likely means you're a fan whose dislike for Walter has prevented you from listening to other memorable songs from him. And just so you know, the guy who was a crucial part of Mariah's 2005 comeback is the same Jermaine Dupri who, just a year after, was blamed by many for killing any chance of Janet Jackson ever recovering from Nipplegate (the public still loved her despite the blacklisting, but it's the uninspired music he produced for his girlfriend that was the final nail in the coffin). Outside of Mariah's singles, Walter mostly produced obscure album cuts for other artists, while JD was responsible for more charting hits, although that could largely be attributed to the perfect timing of his arrival into the scene (when R&B and urban pop were king) rather than him being the "better" producer. And of course you're gonna hear more about JD than you do of Walter post-2000. Adult contemporary pop, which is the latter's forte, hasn't exactly been popular for over 2 decades now. 3) You are obviously (or at least come across as) a young, new lamb who hasn't really lived through Mariah's creative, commercial and critical highs and lows during the 1990's and 2000's. Usually I'mma let Andrew, Bill or the webmaster put you in your place, but I'm gonna break character for a sec to give you a tip - when a large majority of the Lambily says that something like Triumphant is underwhelming, then you, relatively new blood, should be wise enough to listen and learn. The Lambily cannot be wrong, so no, we did not ruin Truimphant for Mariah. The song was as fresh as week-old unsold fish when it dropped. I'm appreciative of and grateful for how the strength of Mariah's catalog still has the power to attract younger fans, but whatever great new material she has come up with since 2010 are always built upon the sheer brilliance of her older work, only with a more modern twist, less timeless crossover appeal and less stellar vocals. I don't think you've actually revealed how old you are, and I don't really equate age with maturity, but wow do your posts really give you away most times. Call me judgmental, but the frequent sweeping declarations and the brazen disregard for facts does remind me of the die-hard Ariana stans I see every now and then in various comments sections who think she's better than Mariah despite the overwhelming orgy of evidence that says otherwise. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 21:45)

Re: Triumphant (94,820) (94,821) by Bill from the UK Preach. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 20:32)

Re: Triumphant (94,817) (94,820) by Randy from USA Who are you? Firstly if Triumphant was your introduction to MC you missed out on a colossal amount of quality work. And who listens to an MC song for Meek Mill's verse? And don't get me wrong both raps in the song are stunning but MC was a guest on her own record. And You're Mine Eternal was the most boring song ever. It put Gilbert Godfried on steroirds to sleep. Look I welcome all different opinions and viewpoints on this board but you are living somewhere between Candyland and Oz if you think MC's work around 2012-2014 holds a candle to 1993-1997 output. And we didn't ruin those songs, we want MC to win or else we wouldn't be fans. But you can't put out mediocrity and expect the sheep to do cartwheels. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 19:44)

Re: Article: Should have been bigger: Mariah's "Triumphant (Get 'Em)" (94,816) (94,819) by Anonymous from Yes, I love this version too Terna. Don't be silly though, this version isn't suitable for an iron pumping workout, it is however perfect for spinning round the living room and fitting in the odd pirouette. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 18:44)

Re: Dreamteam (94,810) (94,818) by Edward from USA Eric, yes they're supported by Wikipedia for delulons. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 16:24)

Triumphant (94,817) by We are Lambily from USA It was the first era for me as a lamb, and to see how the lambily literally ruined this moment for Mariah was heartbreaking. Nobody hated the song more than her own [censored] fans. Same thing happened with [You're mine eternal], the fans kept commenting everywhere that is a underwhelming [WBT] part 2. Ona side note, [Triumphant] was a song beloved by all my friends' groups especially the male ones. Meek delivered arguably one of the best rap verses for a Mariah album since the 00s. [Warning: The claims in this post are not supported by facts.] (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 14:32)

Re: Article: Should have been bigger: Mariah's "Triumphant (Get 'Em)" (94,803) (94,816) by Terna from Nigeria You must've not gotten the song on [first] listen, try listening to the acapella version for a reset. It is a powerful song with an uplifting message and great for working out to. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 11:53)

Re: Divas Live 1998 (94,800) (94,815) by Terna from Nigeria She was sick and was in the middle of the Butterfly world tour now wasn't she? 1998 was a very busy year for her also. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 11:46)

Re: Divas Live 1998 (94,798) (94,814) by Terna from Nigeria Thanks for this. You totally get it. I watched this show live on VH1, she sang "My All" first and then "Make it Happen" live and I recorded it at the same time on VHS back then. Lol and you're right there was something so confident and freeing about her demeanor that night, watching her I couldn't help but realize that she was leveling up into icon status. It is also in my overall top 5 performances of her career and that's saying a lot as she's had stellar live performances even after. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 11:36)

Re: Article: Should have been bigger: Mariah's "Triumphant (Get 'Em)" (94,803) (94,813) by Lainsky from Philippines Agree Bill with the original where Mariah sounds like the featured artist instead of the lead. However, the remix is way way much better and it could have been the original single. Still listening to it at times. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 05:37)

Ready to land (94,812) by T from USA I'm most anticipating the next album (whenever it comes) because I think it will be the first album since the old days where she was forced to be inside and just concentrate on music. I'm thinking [Music Box], [Daydream] eras. Maybe Charmbracelet was like that too but not to the extent of a massive lockdown. Hopefully with all this time to get new perspective, plus with the writing of the book she opens herself up to some really special songs. The next album will be dope. Maybe it will be called "Ready To Land". (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 03:52)

Re: Dreamteam (94,810) (94,811) by T from USA Now a Mariah album produced by JD, Walter A and Timbaland would be fire. Butterfly 2. (Wednesday 5 August 2020; 03:10)

Re: Dreamteam (94,809) (94,810) by We are Lambily from USA Aside from Mariah he hasn't created more than 5 memorable songs, what's the point of naming all of those people when he produced the worst songs of their careers. I have to laugh. Imagine bragging about that. [Warning: The claims in this post are not supported by facts.] (Tuesday 4 August 2020; 23:17)

Re: Dreamteam (94,808) (94,809) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands "Men lie, women lie, numbers don't." You also lie. You make up facts and ignore what others say. Some time ago I posted who Walter has worked with. If you have forgotten that post, here is the list again: - Barbra Streisand - Celine Dion - Destiny's Child - Michael Bolton - Kenny G - Daryl Hall - Luther Vandross - New Kids on the Block - Dusty Springfield - All-4-One - Tina Arena - Gary Barlow - Babyface - Paul Anka - Savage Garden - Marc Anthony - Ricky Martin - Lara Fabian - Christina Aguilera - Josh Groban - Lionel Richie - Jessica Simpson - Earth, Wind & Fire - Leona Lewis - Brian McKnight - Idina Menzel Just name a few artists JD has worked with. You probably won't do that, because you only tell lies and not facts. Maybe I should put a warning under your future posts: "The claims in this post are not supported by facts." (Tuesday 4 August 2020; 22:55)

Re: Dreamteam (94,807) (94,808) by We are Lambily from USA Hector: men lie, women lie, numbers don't. Jermaine Dupri has started so many careers and evolved so many people's career. Walter is forgettable in the land of pop producers, while JD is one of the most successful r&b and hip hop producers. He has created some of the best albums ever. [Warning: The claims in this post are not supported by facts.] (Tuesday 4 August 2020; 22:41)

Re: Dreamteam (94,806) (94,807) by Hector from Mexico "Jermaine Dupri who is far better producer than Walter." That's subjective. To me, Walter is a better producer than JD. (Tuesday 4 August 2020; 21:06)

Dreamteam (94,806) by We are Lambily from USA The real dream team are back together, Jermaine Dupri who is far better producer than Walter hinted Mariah is working on something fire. "This Mariah record." And Johnta Austin commented as well. (Tuesday 4 August 2020; 20:47)

Vision of love (94,805) by MusicfanJ from Germany Yeah, my radio station is playing "Vision of Love" because of MC30. How cool ist that? The radio jockey said she's known as a diva but she can afford it. Oh yes. Today was the day "Vision of love" went to number one. I'll have a drink on it. Cheers. (Tuesday 4 August 2020; 19:48)

Re: Article: Should have been bigger: Mariah's "Triumphant (Get 'Em)" (94,803) (94,804) by Anonymous from Love, love, love that song. Great to workout too, makes me feel I can accomplish anything when listening to that track. If it had been Meek and Rick feat Mariah it could have been bigger. (Tuesday 4 August 2020; 19:32)

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