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Re: Trash (96,115) (96,124) by Bill from the UK It's clear from the memoir that Mariah does identify as predominantly black, but this has been evident for years in her musical leanings, her style, the company she keeps, and the way she speaks and conducts herself. What was interesting for me was that every reference to "black" was capitalised throughout the memoir, yet "white" wasn't. I'm not really sure yet how I feel about that. Ultimately, it is Mariah's perception, and is therefore real to her and is her truth from her perspective. (Monday 12 October 2020; 18:41)

TMOMC (96,123) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) I actually got the chance to read the entire book within a three day span. I felt all kinds of emotions during, and after the reading process. I hate that little Mariah had to endure so much, but through all of that the Mariah we know today has emerged. I am glad that Mariah was able to find her center, and peace. I will not tear down Mariah’s experiences because of the way she has chosen to handle certain things that happened to her. I will leave it here I enjoyed the memoir, and I am glad that Mariah was able to share this with us in the way she felt that she needed to. (Monday 12 October 2020; 18:41)

Re: Next single from The Rarities (96,117) (96,122) by Federico Abril from Perú Cool On You might be great. Slipping Away would be fun but dunno. Too old sounding for now. I don't think a ballad can be a possibility as Out Here On My Own is still on promo. (Monday 12 October 2020; 18:29)

Re: Re: Trash (96,111) (96,115) (96,121) by Federico Abril from Perú I think talking about race is a delicate subject. I think the book portrays that and so, it's her experience in a time where definitions weren't around. It is nowadays when things are clearer. She's mixed race and she identifies herself as black. I'm latino and closer to white skin, but I am not white, my parents are not and though sometimes I'm passing I don't identify as white. I don't know why we should define what she is, free world, right? About not taking the blame, well, she's a woman, mixed race, in a bad relationship over 7 years or so, we all know the story. I don't think she needs to be victimized over and over again by taking blame in her own memoir. Is it her fault everything that happened wrong in her life? Sure. But hey, it's her point of view and she's Mariah. About Glitter and her responsibility in it, I'm a screenwriter, I know things that happen when movies come out, specially those commercial projects, she's not saying anything new. I re wrote entire scripts or librettos based on producer's taste or knowledge, even sometimes compromising the original idea or creators. It's about business. Maybe she can say I smurfed up some more in some opportunities but Glitter is a commercial project, with high expectations and so. There are many hands involved and if you signed a contract and there are producers and handlers which supposedly know what they're doing. Well, let me tell you big companies like Sony produce many shit to get a hit, their quality control isn't high because money can be spent, Glitter didn't make Sony failed, that's why I assume if the project wasn't great, they didn't care at all. She knew it was weak, but hey she trusted her gut and people around her but she's a musician and so we all know the story. (Monday 12 October 2020; 18:22)

Re: Trash (96,114) (96,120) by RibbonB from USA Did you read any history books that said it was created for financial gain, by slave owners who raped the women, but in order to maintain their property deemed their own offspring as slaves and therefore black? Just because the origins of things and oppression create a social construct that becomes inconvenient for white people, doesn't mean it hasn't affected the oppressed in more permanent ways. Social constructs change over time, but it's interesting that the construct of racism and so called white supremacy, remains strong. Some of y'all believe that lie and fight for it even to your, or their own detrement. Like the people who get mad when people say black lives matter. Hating a slogan because they just want to feel central at all times. (Monday 12 October 2020; 17:51)

Re: Trash (96,070) (96,119) by Andrew from the United Kingdom It is very simple: Celine matched Aretha's notes and sang with her for her own personal fun and the entertainment of the crowd on "Natural Woman". She didn't sing over Aretha, she didn't embarrass her nor was she rude to her. She sang so because she was capable. Mariah was incapable. Fast forward two decades and Mariah throws Celine, one of the nicest vocalists in music, who has only ever been nice to Mariah, under a bus, in interview and now in a book. And then, like everything else in Mariah's life now, she had made it about race. Ahem, sorry, "culture". Can anyone point to negative comments about these 10 seconds in history made by Shania Twain? Gloria Estefan? Carole King? A music journalist? Unfortunately, Mariah has shown herself here to be an unreliable witness and just a bit of a bitch. And a racist one at that. Whitney on that stage would have sung her ass off. And I would bet the farm Mariah would be yasss-queening Whitney and kissing her ass as usual. Furthermore, nobody owed Aretha "respect" by standing there like an idiot and not singing how they wanted to. Celine Dion is one of the best selling, if not *the* best selling, female artists of all time. And in 1998 she was the biggest star in the world. And she needed to check herself? Oh, please. MC needs to check herself and especially her self-delusion and belief that everyone in the world is a gullible fool. Some sense of humility and some sense of reality would not go amiss. And were I her I would now be praying that Celine et al. do not erite their own memoirs and mention Mariah's voice. I'm off to listen to Celine Dion's album Falling Into You which won the Grammy Award for Album of the Year a year before Diva's Live was filmed. I especially like track 8. "What's track 8 called?" I hear you ask. Oh, it's a little ditty called "(You Make Me Feel Like A) Natural Woman". (Monday 12 October 2020; 17:26)

Re: Next single from The Rarities (96,117) (96,118) by IheartMC from USA Great question, if we were lucky to get two new singles, my choices are below. I have to say, our girl really blessed us this year with great music. The Rarities is a well done project. How many artists can make a great project of unreleased material. Not many. Next two singles: Both have great appeal for this generation while still being true to her artistry. Cool On you Mesmerized 5 fave tracks on the album: All I Live for (such a great feel) Cool On You (could be a hit) Lullaby of birdland (infectious) Out Here on my own (all the feels) Everything fades away/Can you hear me (both are so majestic) Honorable mentions: Slipping away I Pray (Monday 12 October 2020; 17:20)

Next single from The Rarities (96,117) by Joe from United Kingdom If you had to pick 2 more songs to be released as singles what would they be? (Monday 12 October 2020; 15:57)

Sorry guys, more love for Cameo Loverboy version (96,116) by Anonymous from Yup, I said it. (Monday 12 October 2020; 15:42)

Re: Trash (96,111) (96,115) by Anonymous from I agree with majority of what you say Andy, Mariah is rubbish and annoying for taking no responsibility and playing the blame game, however, in relation to race and Mariah identifying herself as black, maybe she does but I don't think it is as straight cut that she perceives all white people to be bad/racists, in my opinion that's far fetched and absurd. Maybe she felt more accepted or more comfortable identifying with black people than white. Maybe, she has experienced more racism from her white counterparts than black? Maybe, she felt the need to hide certain aspects of her race for such a long time that when she did feel liberated, she embraced the black side more profoundly. As a mixed race person I was told numerous times I was either too black or too white. I would even get asked, what do you prefer your black side or your white side - smh. Luckily I've brought up to embrace both races and to feel proud of who and what I am, luckily my family have always made me feel valued. In America, I believe the country has adopted the one-drop rule, if you have some black blood in you then you are considered black. A lot of maybes I know but potentially Mariah is more comfortable with identifying as black, is that such a bad outcome? She has been brought up in a system that tells her that she is indeed black. If anything I feel sorry that she wasn't fortunate enough to feel embraced for who she is, rather than what she is, it must be so confusing/ heartbreaking to be torn between races or feel accepted more by another. Over the last few years my love for Mariah has dwindled, she can annoy me so much at times, but hey, more fool me for keep coming back. Mariah is Mariah, I accept she's not the Mariah I fell hook, line and sinker for. It is what is. Mariah will always have a place in my (Monday 12 October 2020; 15:39)

Re: Trash (96,111) (96,114) by ktktkt from Philippines Only self hating "blacks" with an inferiority complex who want to increase the Black population uses the One Drop Rule. I read somewhere. (Monday 12 October 2020; 15:35)

The Meaning of Mariah Carey review, finally (96,113) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa I've been so overwhelmed with everything Mariah since the release of this book and the months leading up to it. I've been revisiting all of the amazing home performances, the live snippets, and of course everything MC30. She's given so much this year and it's all come in with such great energy. I love where she is in 2020. So my book arrived 2 days after release (Amazon) and I took 2 days to read it. I wanted to read first, then treat myself to the audiobook. I honestly could not put the book down. I forced myself to because I wanted to stretch it at least 2 days. I am still so blown away. Wow. I loved hearing her stories and reflections. So many were relatable for a multitude of reasons. Coming from a multi-cultural family myself, the perspective that she spoke from was so refreshing, relevant, honest, raw, and just right on. It wasn't sugar-coated sunshine and rainbows at all and I love her for it. The fact that this was a memoir rather than an autobiography really provided a platform for her emotional truth. The webs and loops displayed how emotional experiences affected her throughout her life. I loved that. I feel communicating from that place of emotional truth is one of her strengths, it's what makes her songwriting so powerful. I found myself revisiting my own memories as I read about hers, revisiting songs from the eras I was reading about as I went along, it was just a whole experience and it was so full. Everything in the book tied together so well, it was cohesive, and the themes were woven throughout. The themes of racism (systemic and otherwise) and division were so timely. Mariah has touched on these subjects for many many years. However, the book gave her the place to really share her experiences and perspectives in the proper setting. The biggest surprise for me was how visual the experience was. It's like I could see every single scene and story that was told. Shout out to Michaela Angela Davis, this was a powerful collaboration. I keep racking my brain to choose a favorite section, but I just loved the whole thing. Though I would love for her to write an autobiography one day, I would actually love to get a couple more memoirs from her first. This one focused most on her childhood, I would like to hear more about some other aspects or themes in her life. This book feels like a transition project, carrying Mariah into a whole new aspect of her career. Between TMOMC and The Rarities, I am so stoked for what is to come. (Monday 12 October 2020; 11:59)

Collection of thoughts (96,112) by Sarah from Netherlands - I thought the Last Show at Sing Sing included Walter A at her kitchen table. Seems in line with how she writes about people with whom she at some point doesn't want to associate with anymore. - About her not taking blame: we've always known this. Let's not pretend to be surprised. Down to the deviation from her "original notes and thoughts" for Glitter. That's just how movie production works. - Divas moment: have yet to read this part, but from what I've read here this is also not news. - Loverboy: she's stated on more than one occasion that she likes it better with the Candy sample. I do too. OK, that was it (for now). (Monday 12 October 2020; 11:49)

Re: Trash (96,076) (96,111) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Eddie, you are as astute as you are wise. The Meaning of Mariah Carey could be summed up to this: "Please think I'm black, non-black people bad, I've never done anything wrong, everyone else is always at fault." I really liked listening to the first part of the book but that quickly faded a bit. But I still enjoyed it. Mariah takes no responsibility for anything and her accounts of things are certainly eyebrow raising. For instance, the plate smashing. She just wanted to wash up in the middle of drama, that was what she needed to do. And then the plates just slipped out of her hands... helloooo, they were all soooapppy, didnt you know. And then, lo. The racist white police arrive and her racist white mother made them take the poor black woman away. Doesn't matter that she looks whiter than my ass in winter. There is clear agenda in this book and I am not certain it comes from the most honest of places. Finally, when Mariah explained the one-drop rule I actually put my fork down and just stared at Alexa in disbelief. Very desperate. The only thing that I got from the book as a lingering afterthought is that Mariah hates her own skin. (Monday 12 October 2020; 09:52)

Re: Tears (96,094) (96,110) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Sorry, did you have some sort of fit and land on the keyboard? (Monday 12 October 2020; 09:42)

Re: Billboard 200 (96,106) (96,109) by Timothy from USA It's looking like it will chart at 28 or 29 for the debut frame when the chart updates. The chart runs a week behind. (Monday 12 October 2020; 02:08)

Re: Where Are You Christmas demo (96,102) (96,108) by enwar00 from usa I didn't think it was stupid Deedee. I usually check the message board on here more often than the news. It's more interactive. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 22:07)

Loverboy Firecracker fan-made video edit (96,107) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Yeah, this doesn't have the racetrack beat and energy that the Candy sample lends, but it still works. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 18:53)

Billboard 200 (96,106) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway Is it true? The Rarities didn't chart on the Billboard 200? (Sunday 11 October 2020; 17:46)

Re: Trash (96,095) (96,105) by RibbonB from USA Just because he has meaning to you, doesn't mean he means shit to her. Of course if she had mentioned the clown in the Divas chapter, that would've been the penultimate shade. The ultimate is not giving him space at all. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 16:58)

Re: Billboard 200 (96,103) (96,104) by Bobby A from United States Yes, I did. But I don't compile information for Billboard Inc. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 15:32)

Re: Billboard 200 (96,096) (96,103) by TJ from Norway Didn't you predict it to be at the number one spot? Or number 2? With 160.000 sales the first week? (Sunday 11 October 2020; 14:48)

Re: Where Are You Christmas demo (96,098) (96,102) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada Yes Eric I've been coming here for years. I've also seen people share articles on the board which got linked on occasion. I thought the board might talk about the demo. My bad. I won't bring any outside content to the board in future. Apparently the post came across as stupid and offensive. Got it. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 13:44)

Re: Trash (96,095) (96,101) by Bill from the UK No I agree, Mariah wouldn't be able to perform at the level Aretha was that night, I was more spinning it around and putting it in context for Mariah's fans perspectives, as to why some may find Celine's performance that night disrespectful. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 13:18)

Re: Billboard's 100 best MC songs (96,074) (96,100) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Saw this when it came out last week and immediately thought that the mere inclusion of Infinity automatically invalidates the list. (Sunday 11 October 2020; 06:03)

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