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Re: Article: Mariah crashes "Schitt's Creek" performance of "Hero" (94,326) (94,346) by Bill from the UK This was lovely. I'm unsure if it was the lighting or the lack of being able to have her hair done, but Mariah's hair seemed to have a tint of grey to it? Did anyone else think that? I love grey hair so much, and I must say, Mariah would look incredible with it. What a great image that would be, so graceful and elegant. But might have been the lighting so I may be getting ahead of myself. I also liked the fact she had a pic of her and Nick on the shelf. (Monday 8 June 2020; 23:16)

Re: Migrate (94,342) (94,345) by Bill from the UK Indeed. For if there is anyone out there like me who would rather use this message board as an escape from current events and instead talk about boring Mariah stuff, I present to you: My favourite underrated remixes. I love many of Mariah's remixes, especially the re-sung ones. She's done so many, often some really good ones get forgotten in the wake of the juggernauts like Dreamlover Def Club, Fantasy with ODB and Heartbreaker/Lonely. 1. Dreamlover (Bam Jam Soul) 2. Never Forget You (Extended Mix) 3. Anytime You Need a Friend (Soul Convention Remix) 4. Joy to the World (Celebration Mix) 5. Fantasy (Sweet Dub Mix) 6. One Sweet Day (Chucky's Remix) 7. Underneath the Stars (Drifting Remix) 8. Butterfly (Classic Bossa Nova) 9. Do You Know Where You're Going to (Mahogany Club Mix) 10. Loverboy (Dreamy Club of Love) (Monday 8 June 2020; 22:42)

Re: George (94,343) (94,344) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Grown ups are talking. Shush. (Monday 8 June 2020; 21:51)

George (94,343) by We are Lambily from USA I don't care about your fake statistics, black men are shoot by police "who swore an oath to protect and serve" while being unarmed. Cops dying in duty is not the same thing. I don't see the connection. As a gay man you should know your history better, read about Stonewall riots. Even the civil rights act was passed after the king assassination riots. It's sad that people have to resort to riots in order to pressure the governments to listen. I'm 100% behind the destruction of war memorials especially the racist ones. Funny how you find looting a problem when UK are the experts on that, Time to give back all the items/art/animals you have stolen before you try to lecture us. Funny how violence is not an answer yet UK's wealth is built on that from which you have benefited from in many ways. The BLM movement is also not behind the riots, it's mostly white supremacists behind those actions. (Monday 8 June 2020; 21:32)

Re: Migrate (94,317) (94,342) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Bill, quick, make a list. (Monday 8 June 2020; 19:40)

Re: George (94,333) (94,341) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "Always funny how people trying to justify a murder by bringing up irrelevant and alleged crimes of the victim." Not one person here tried to justify his death. In fact, it was categorically condemned and the prosecution of the accused advocated. "This is a beautiful movement that have reached the world." If you think that death, assault, injury, criminal damage, arson, people losing their businesses, people losing their jobs and homes, and the increased spread of Covid-19 is a beautiful thing, then I would say your definition of beauty borders on disturbing. "Police needs to be held accountable for their brutality." Individual police officers do indeed need to be held accountable if they cause unnecessary injury and/or death. "We need a better system, not cops who abuses its citizens." So the statistics such as 18.5x more white officers being harmed by black males than the reverse is lost on you. Al Gore once released a documentary with a fantastic title: "An inconvenient truth". How inconvenient truths are now. Let us live in a world of irrational emotion based upon the outward demonstation of internal angst and dilemma. What fun. "If you are more worried about buildings than human lives than you are apart of the problem." Straw man, much? It is not just buildings being damaged, but all of the injurious results mentioned above. And war memorials are being defaced. Those boys actually faced brutality - and insanity - on a scale now hard to comprehend. Their memorials do not deserve to be defaced by the great unwashed and I condemn it. "Martin Luther King jr said, 'The riots are the language of the unheard.'" Violence is not an answer. Hammurabi's code of an eye-for-an-eye has long since been abandoned. The Bible itself, a book so many American's cling to for comfort, comprises the New Testament to undo the damage of that ridiculous principle laid out so vociferously in the Old Testament. As Jade rightly suggested, two wrongs do not make a right. India did quite well at ending British Imperial rule with peaceful resistance. Inciting people to further commit unlawful acts will not lead to a good place. Especially when the narrative is driven my maniacal ideologues who have no interest in equality of opportunity, but rather equality of outcome which is neither plausible, nor desirable. (Monday 8 June 2020; 19:40)

Clarification (94,322) (94,340) by Geronimo from USA Allow me to clarify one thing that I said and this will be the last I say on this topic. George Floyd did not, as you invented, beat any woman according to any publicly available police records. It's bad enough for him to pose as law-enforcement and hold a pregnant woman at gunpoint. If I had been that woman I would have shot him and the rest of that gang in self-defense, myself. But it makes a difference to clarify that he was not even accused of striking that robbery victim well over 10 years ago and that he has served his time on top of making a very public effort to acknowledge his mistakes and intentionally guide others in the opposite direction since then. So we cannot weight an invented beating against public acknowledgment that over 10 years later he was murdered by a gang of police officers while handcuffed and lying on the ground. (Monday 8 June 2020; 19:18)

Re: Andrew, George Floyd and MCA (94,335) (94,339) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Your post is bizarre, mate. Let me suggest the following: 1. You start a movement in the United States to pack up the police but the judiciary, instead. If emotion has primacy over reason and logic, advocate the removal of judges and allow relatives of victims to decide guilt and punishment. See how that works out. 2. The next time (although I hope there is no such event) that you are the victim of violent crime, do not call the police. Tell your attacker, an attacker statistically likely to also be a black male, that you have no attention of using his "post-Civil War slave masters" to punish him and wish him well on his merry way as you lay in peril. 3. Accept that terms like "post-Civil War slave masters" to describe police officers are pure hyperbole, unhelpful, grounded in spite and will irrationally fuel anger towards people who have dedicated their lives to serving and protecting the very citizenry you would incite to harm them. In that, accept that your words skip over any formal analyses, and, very much more so than my own words, may likely lead to injury and/or death. But, not to worry. As long as Jesus forgives. I think this topic is exhausted. (Monday 8 June 2020; 19:16)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey shares heartbreaking song (94,331) (94,338) by MusicfanJ from Germany Today I saw a nanny with five children. Two were black, one white with blond hair and the other two white with brown/dark hair. They all had fun and were smiling. I thought what [a] nice picture. Kids don't see a "colour", they just look at if you're nice or not. Good heart or not, that's all. I will never understand how grown-ups think different so many times with prejudices. (Monday 8 June 2020; 19:04)

Current times (94,337) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) This current times are very intense, as a black man I definitely fear my interactions with police officers especially when many of them see being black as a target to kill. I am also pleased with the outpouring of support from all people who have expressed their disdain for the unfair treatment of blacks. The George Floyd situation is just another example of extremely loud racism however I am proud to say his death has not been in vain. I am also pleased with how Mariah has decided to use her platform during this time because she is making a strong statement without overkill, or being distasteful. (Monday 8 June 2020; 18:55)

Transphobic, huh? Really Andrew? (94,324) (94,336) by Geronimo from USA Andrew, your racist tendencies are precisely exhibited in how quickly you shift focus from the actual topic in order to invent a fictional victim to compare with an actual victim. I don't know how it works in your neighborhood, but where I come from that is precisely how white supremacists function in public discourse When the time comes for them to take responsibility for their lawlessness. Stop inventing fictional victims in order to distract from the actual victim. Mariah finally displayed an appropriate understanding of the real social situation in the United States as it relates to her compositions. She did it in a way that doesn't point to the external source of oppression but instead to the multitude through whom the external source finds nothing but neutralized spectators all too often. For you to raise pointless questions about how she would hypothetically respond to a situation you proceed to invent for rhetorical effect shows that your allegiance is not with the truth but with an abstract justification for public lynching. Your colonial style, gender inflicted fabrication props up and protects your invention of a hypothetical innocent victim to which you want your preferred 'white leaning' Mariah Carey to dedicate, "Close My Eyes. " Or have I missed something? Did George Floyd commit the crime you are describing. I do have to admit I have not taken the time in the wake of his murder to meticulously research his possible assaults of ostensibly innocent women. Further, aspirational Grand Dragon, your cloying and contrived reference to transphobia is desperate. It has been very obvious for a long time that a significant number of human beings on this forum are comfortable wearing any form of clothing they desire: trousers, a dress, a skirt, or nothing at all. I'm glad that you are a social justice warrior so sensitive to the well-being of trans people that you are willing once again to make up a fictitious victim out of the blue just in case. I can tell you that your Klan robe is hanging out from your pant leg but that's a little bit clumsy isn't it? For more reasons than one a dress reference is appropriate. Any man who would refer to another adult in public who they do not know as 'sweetie' certainly cannot presume a reference to themselves wearing a dress is an attack on anyone's "identity. " Nice try, though. None of that, however, addresses the main fact—what you very poorly conceal beneath whatever choice of clothing is a desire to present an actual innocent victim as somehow 'ungrievable, ' to use Miss Butler's apt term, unless they are your definition of angelic and innocent in the abstract. Your theological ignorance concerning who goes to "heaven" or not according to an individual's prayer is so far from reasonable nothing more can be said. Finally, perhaps you identify better with this sartorial reference - Andrew, the hood of your clan robe is showing from underneath your fake black hoodie. What evasive move do you have now, Andrew? Did I just make an anti-Black comment? Would that be an interesting distraction for you to chase? I don't think so. Your evasive move doesn't move in that direction, does it? By the way, ask the award winning actor Juicy about the bleach. Something tells me he has plenty left over. (Monday 8 June 2020; 18:42)

Andrew, George Floyd and MCA (94,335) by Randy from USA Andrew, Andrew, Andrew. You are my friend and I don't think in your heart you're a racist. But I do think you can be insensitive at times. You are an exceptionally intelligent dude. But not everything about life is about ethics or logic. Emotion plays a large part of our human existence. I truly believe that the people that are literally painting George Floyd as an angel flying into heaven on t-shirts and posters don't know of his past. And here's the point, his past doesn't matter because he served his time and if you add up all previous charges, they still don't add up to the death penalty. I believe we all make mistakes and Jesus forgives. I loved MC tying one of my favorite songs of all time to this moment because it is appropriate. George Floyd is the spotlight and catalyst for change for a police culture in the United States that has served as the post civil war slave-masters. There was a post on Facebook that I reposted asking black men how old were you when you first had the police hold a gun to you. I couldn't believe the numbers that responded and the ages. My answer was 17. Andrew sometimes in a moment of tragedy and unrest, keep the logical and ethical argument to yourself, at least for a time. Consider others' emotions. And for the rest of the board, sometimes check your emotions before you reply. Because Andrew is not a member of the Klan. Am I really having to say all of this out loud? (Monday 8 June 2020; 16:30)

Re: Migrate (94,317) (94,334) by Anonymous from I love the idea Bill, it's so fresh and creative. (Monday 8 June 2020; 15:57)

George (94,333) by We are Lambily from USA He was not a saint but he was a human being that deserved better. Always funny how people trying to justify a murder by bringing up irrelevant and alleged crimes of the victim. This is a beautiful movement that have reached the world. Police needs to be held accountable for their brutality. They are literally abusing elders, journalists and peaceful protesters. Minnesota is the first state to disband the police department and instead invest in community-led public safety. We need a better system, not cops who abuses its citizens. If you are more worried about buildings than human lives than you are apart of the problem. I'm not here for looting and destruction but that's the least of our problems and as Martin Luther King jr said, "The riots are the language of the unheard." (Monday 8 June 2020; 15:44)

Re: Mariah’s most poignant political gesture ever (94,323) (94,332) by Anonymous from From reading what Andy has to say, our opinions differ somewhat, theirs no denying that, some things he can say makes my blood boil and that's ok, we are not always going to see eye to eye on things, I probably evoke the same in him also. Do I think he's racists, hell no, absolutely not. If I did, I wouldn't consider him a friend. I think some people find it harder stepping in other people's shoes, sometimes it can take them longer to grasp and sometimes, people just don't get it, no matter how hard you try. Walking in others shoes is a wonderful quality to have, clearly you have that in abundance, I can see how passionate you are, thank you. But, name calling, making accusations and getting tic for tac is what loses the message, people hear that rather than the debate itself. If Andy loves Mariah then he is one of the dumbest racist I've encountered, Mariah's blackness shines through, and that's coming from someone who is proud to be mixed race. (Monday 8 June 2020; 14:34)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey shares heartbreaking song (94,325) (94,331) by Anonymous from Hi Licia, I agree with you in regards to Mariah being vocal about the movement. Ultimately the movement isn't about one person, nor just police brutality. It's about black people primarily being treated unfairly due to the colour of their skin, whether it's the justice, education, mental health system etc. The treatment within these systems tends to be harsher for this particular group. As I envisioned, some people have completely missed the whole point of the movement and instead of trying to understand it, would rather look to seek out it's flaws and find counter arguments as to why it shouldn't be justified. No one of course should lose their life or be injured during this process, especially for speaking up, and I for one am disgusted and extremely angry with some of the behaviours displayed by protesters. The violence isn't necessary. I suppose for some though, until you've experienced racism no matter what direction you take in life, where you're always having to fight against the system, it's going to be harder for those to fully understand. People have a right to their opinions, you just focus on spreading positivity and helping people to better understand and educate on how rough it can be and how they can help. I'm not saying other races don't have their struggles and blacks only suffer, but it warms my heart that others of different shades are trying to acknowledge, understand, and support the movement. Keep your chin up girl. (Monday 8 June 2020; 14:06)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey shares heartbreaking song (94,329) (94,330) by Norman from USA Other than this post about them, have you sought out justice for those victims in any way? Because if your outrage is only about people voicing their grievances and their outrage about black people being disproportionately killed and attacked because of the color of their skin, you might want to reassess the situation and sit this one out. And you can miss me with the looting angle if that's your retort - outrage prioritizing insured real estate and goods doesn't outweigh a life. That's also part of the problem. (Monday 8 June 2020; 13:59)

Article: Mariah Carey shares heartbreaking song (94,329) by Cass from New Zealand I agree with Andrew and I would like to add - where's the tribute for Tony Timpa who died the same way in police custody, is it because he's only white? Where's the protest for the black policeman David Dorn who came out of retirement to protect his friend's store against the rioters as a favour? He was shot in the head and left to die on the footpath as people stood around filming him with their phones. Where are the songs for the 20 people that the protesters have killed so far? (Monday 8 June 2020; 12:59)

Re: Article: Mariah crashes "Schitt's Creek" performance of "Hero" (94,327) (94,328) by Tijl from Belgium I don't really understand the concept of the "Shitts Creeck" (or something like that) thing but oh dear, she looks sooo good and happy. Mimi, you keep on surprising us. Thank you for that contagious laugh, it made my day. I feel as the world is getting close to burning up. Confused, scared and apprehensive about the coming weeks but you pull me through. As always. (Monday 8 June 2020; 02:08)

Article: Mariah crashes "Schitt's Creek" performance of "Hero" (94,327) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Just lost my schitt. This is awesome. Just finished the second season of this show today - it's the best show, ever. This is amazing. Mariah looks and sounds great. (Monday 8 June 2020; 01:00)

Article: Mariah crashes "Schitt's Creek" performance of "Hero" (94,326) by Will from England To be fair, I would have had the same reaction as David. Love that she popped in with perfect lighting and that wind machine going. (Monday 8 June 2020; 00:16)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey shares heartbreaking song (94,322) (94,325) by Licia from USA I knew somebody would have an issue with her standing up for Black Lives Matter. Anyway, I appreciate her for showing support. I already know if this were for any other issue this wouldn't be a problem. *shrugs* (Sunday 7 June 2020; 21:35)

Re: Mariah’s most poignant political gesture ever (94,323) (94,324) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "Andrew, your Klan robe is showing from underneath your dress." Nothing I said involved the notion of racial supremacy and I do not believe it shameful for a man to wear a dress, or to identify as trans, as you evidently do. Were I to want to wear a dress I would do so proudly. And I would look fabulous, sweetie. "You should reserve your bleachy comments about U.S American issues." Unless I am mistaken you mean "bleachy" comment to mean a comment from a white person. Not only are you clearly sexist/transphobic you are also racist. And only two sentences in lol going well. "[Y]our ridiculous post." My post was not ridiculous but rather ridiculing - ridiculing the ongoing exaltation of a man who, whilst undeserving of death, was a smackhead, violent career criminal. "That song speaks directly to the kinds of people who watch police brutality and go on and on for weeks about how terrible it is but in a real situation would never do anything to intervene or change the calculus of the situation since that would threaten their lives." Since I very recently stated I occasionally get into hotspots for trying to stick up for people I can offer here that I would probably not do so if the aggressor was carrying a loaded firearm (although they are thankfully mostly unlawful here). That is unless one of them was a smackhead, violent career criminal jabbing said firearm into the pregnant stomach of an innocent women he was robbing before she was pistol-whipped to the floor. Then I hope I might be brave enough to offer to take her place. So, the smackhead, violent career criminal gets "Languishing", the woman whose unborn child he threatened to shoot before he pistol-whipped her around the head for drugs money gets "Close My Eyes". Cool. What about the white police officers who are 18.5x more likely to get shot by a black male than they are to shoot one? What do they get? "One Sweet Day"? What about the incredibly high number of black homicide victims, over 90% of whom are killed by other black people? "Bye Bye"? There is a lot missing from the narrative that is being pushed. And whilst the new mantra seems to be an if-you're-not-with-us-you're-against-us kinda thing, I am reminded once more of the hypocrisy of most militant movements. Anti-fascists, indeed. "As the Floyd family send George home..." said Mariah. You would think him Mother Theresa's protégé. He ought not to have been unlawfully killed. That much is certain and the person who did it must be punished with a significant prison sentence. But I am not certain this victim should be portrayed as an angel returning to heaven as seems to be the widespread case. From what I've read, he's gonna have a hard time getting in. (Sunday 7 June 2020; 20:12)

Mariah’s most poignant political gesture ever (94,323) by Geronimo from USA Andrew, your Klan robe is showing from underneath your dress. You should reserve your bleachy comments about U.S American issues. This song applies perfectly to the situation in a way that is probably too nuanced for you and the clowns who've shown approval of your ridiculous post. That song speaks directly to the kinds of people who watch police brutality and go on and on for weeks about how terrible it is but in a real situation would never do anything to intervene or change the calculus of the situation since that would threaten their lives. Mariah relating that song to this situation speaks directly to the kinds of people who need to think about whether or not their after-the-fact responses should instead become reflections in preparation for what they will do in order to actually preserve life before it's taken. I am so glad Mariah Carey stepped away from her "There's Got to Be a Way" sentimentality in order to point a finger where it really belongs: at the listener. This is her most politically relevant gesture. Don't miss the point by being dull. (Sunday 7 June 2020; 02:14)

Article: Mariah Carey shares heartbreaking song (94,322) by Andrew from the United Kingdom So this will make me popular but I think the sentiment could do with being expressed: linking Languishing to what is going on is a stretch and not a good one. Why? Why was this necessary? Whilst I feel sorrow at George Floyd's death is he to be exalted? I wonder if Mariah has a song for the woman whose pregnant stomach he jabbed the barrel of his loaded gun into as he and his compadres robbed her house before beating her around the head? What song for her? "Close My Eyes"? (Sunday 7 June 2020; 00:17)

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