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Re: Babyface (92,434) (92,436) by MusicfanJ from Germany That would be fantastic. I love Babyface. Mariah and Babyface are a perfect combination. The songs they did together are wonderful. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 14:31)

Mariah airplay #1s (92,435) by Randy from USA I know that no one listens to the radio anymore. But as a little bit of a Billboard Chart Nerd, I knew MC was more sales than airplay when it comes to her singles. I decided to see what #1s she had based on radio airplay but I was shocked when I looked up her record on Billboard Airplay #1s. It's interesting to note what songs made it to number one, what songs didn't (No All I Want for Christmas? No Touch My Body?) and how long her number ones stayed there. Vision of Love (3 Weeks) Love Takes Times (4 Weeks) Someday (10 weeks) *this was a WTF moment* Emotions (4 Weeks) I'll Be There (8 weeks) Dreamlover (11 weeks) Hero (10 weeks) Fantasy (7 weeks) One Sweet Day (13 weeks) We Belong Together (16 weeks) Shake It Off (3 weeks) Don't Forget About Us (5 weeks) (Saturday 18 January 2020; 14:02)

Babyface (92,434) by Bobby A from United States I am sure hoping MC reaches out to Babyface this year for collaboration. They wrote such beautiful songs together. Never Forget You was just classic Babyface at the height of his songwriting career. Two years later he gave the world some of his best work on the Waiting To Exhale soundtrack. Melt Away always left me wanting to hear more on Daydream. Every Time I Close My Eyes was a perfect gem that showcased his impeccable songwriting skills and MC's immpecable vocal arrangements. Who else wants another Babyface collaboration? (Saturday 18 January 2020; 03:46)

Re: Boy (I Need You) (92,413) (92,433) by Dove from United States Honestly, I'd never heard the original it was sampled from so maybe that's why I don't mind it. (Saturday 18 January 2020; 01:41)

Mariah (92,432) by We are Lambily from USA Lol, I hate when fans can't enjoy a new song just because of the fact that it resembles another song. Here is a beautiful quote from Mariah. "Sometimes critics get a little bit cynical 'oh it sounds like this oh it sounds like that' and yes it does have that, I wrote both of those songs, I have a style of writing." (Saturday 18 January 2020; 00:35)

Hall of Fame (92,431) by Tameka walker from United states Way to go Mariah. And congrats to getting into the Hall of Fame for songwriting induction. You are a musical genius. Your voice and your ability to write 18 of your 19 hits is incredible. You are on a whole other level. Love always Tameka Walker. (Friday 17 January 2020; 23:32)

Re: Celine vs Mariah (92,428) (92,430) by Bill from the UK I'm enjoying all these posts about the vocal trinity. I only own a few albums of Whitney and Celine, so I can't speak for all their material, but I do find they often stick to the same gear. All Whitney's ballads begin with the same keyboard instrument and end with the huge belt, and Celine, whilst technically a great vocalist, does come across as awfully bland at times. Having said that, I don't think anyone will ever sing The Star Spangled Banner better than Whitney, and I agree that the song Fly by Celine on the Falling Into You album is very moving. (Friday 17 January 2020; 22:35)

Re: Boy (I Need You) (92,411) (92,429) by jaker20 from US The best way to experience Mariah is creating your own playlists across multiple albums. Some albums flow well on its own, but we're talking 30 years of discography and many of the songs are classics on their own. And with such a diverse discography some songs will speak to you differently than how they were originally intended. I myself have 5 Mariah playlists and I grouped Boy I Need You with the mid to low tempo R&Bs which includes: (Boy) I Need You Breakdown Clown The Roof X-Girlfriend Loverboy (some say it's trash but I love it) If We Last Night A DJ Ger Your Number Say Somethin' (Friday 17 January 2020; 21:19)

Re: Celine vs Mariah (92,428) by anonymous from UK I love all three of the vocal trinity, and they are well-named as such. I share the same favourites as Andrew re Whitney, those being All The Man That I Need and I Believe in You and Me. I also love My Love is Your Love and It's Not Right, But it's Okay. A golden voice, yet one I often find bombastic. I actually prefer Celine to Whitney (I know, I know, shoot me). Falling into You is one of my favourite albums of all time. I Don't Know, a song from the album, is one of my favourite songs of all time, I find it very haunting, lyrically very moving and Celine's delivery is perfection. Also Fly from the same album, it's so delicate and heartbreaking. I understand what people say re her lack of emotion, but I still quite often, even after all these years, get goosebumps from her voice, and her French language albums are incredible; it's a treat to hear her sing in French. Then there's Mariah. There's not much more I can add about her voice that hasn't been said a million times already by about a billion people, but it really is something. Her voice is ethereal, and especially in her younger years, it really was like watching an angel perform. Very other-worldly. Mariah is also such an incredibly versatile songwriter, and truly has a song for most any occasion/feeling/vibe. From inspirational to sexy, from fierce to fragile, from triumph to despair, whatever you're going through, Mariah has a song that fits that mood. Regardless of any mistakes she has made, nobody can take away from her that she is one of the greatest voices to have ever lived and one of the greatest songwriters to boot. I have a vastly eclectic taste in music, and there is some truly spectacular music in this world, but Mariah for me will always be somewhat apart, in a league all of her own. In Outside she sings about always feeling that she didn't quite belong anywhere - she was correct, but rather than that being a dreadful thing, she is quite the rarity in a world of conformists that she will be her weird, wonderful, wacky self and make no apologies for it. It may not always serve her well, but there really is nobody quite like Mariah. (Friday 17 January 2020; 20:51)

Re: Celine vs. Mariah (92,420) (92,427) by MusicfanJ from Germany The same here. Mariah touches me emotional with her voice (no other female singer touches my soul like she can). Mariah's unique voice plus her lyrics are on another level. (Friday 17 January 2020; 19:51)

Re: Celine vs. Mariah (92,424) (92,426) by Andrew from the United Kingdom My Belgian friend I must concur. Whitney is technically flawless. But I used to find her need for volume - her bellowing - very off-putting sometimes. I would never play I Will Always Love You to myself for enjoyment. But there are times when her bellowing is masterful. Such as All The Man That I Need which is haunting and bold at the same time. Whitney's voice is pure magical when she doesn't blow hard. I Love The Lord, I Believe In You And Me, and so on. But I would take Mariah over Whitney any day and twice on Tuesdays. She has the perfect sound - tone - in her voice. Others are "too this" and "too that". Not Mariah. (Friday 17 January 2020; 18:51)

Re: Celine vs. Mariah (92,397) (92,425) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I just tried to go beyond the simplest, most obvious point, because I believe we all know that by heart anyway, whether or not we admit it. However, I do believe Celine started relying heavily on playback earlier than most think. Celine does have a great voice and olympic lung power, but among the vocal trinity, she has mostly been compared unfavorably to Mariah and Whitney due to her lack of ability to actually convey emotion, which is something the latter two excel at. She also has the least versatile tone of the three, which she probably knows and is why she hasn't dabbled much into other genres. When she does go out of her comfort zone, she just sounds more awkward than impressive. Having read many voice comparisons and analyses between the three over the last 2 decades, I have come up with this summary: Whitney - the more soulful one. Possibly the most gifted interpreter of the 3 in terms of employing the least effort and the one most likely to instinctively go by feeling, which becomes especially obvious when doing vocal ad libs. She has the most resonant instrument when it comes to loudness and power (which she likely developed with her background of singing in a church choir growing up). Her tone and singing style seems to be the most universally accepted as pleasant and is the least polarizing. Celine - the most cautious of the trio. Everything that comes out of her mouth is precise and well thought-out - you could almost hear the wheels turning in her head. She seems to be the most equipped to endure marathon performances (mostly thanks to her discipline), but has the least interesting and least pleasant vocal tone and texture, which she tries to make up for with dynamics. Although she does somehow let loose and is more spontaneous live, her recorded output sounds the most regimented and stiffest. Mariah - the one with the range. Easily the most versatile tone of the 3, readily weaving into more genres more effortlessly and organically. She also has a lot to play with by vocal texture, which she can harness to convey emotions, but her voice is the most obviously sensitive and vulnerable to various factors such as rest, lifestyle and aging, making her a very competent albeit very inconsistent live performer. However, her voice's inherent ability to "shapeshift" makes it the most adaptable to its current limitations (once Mariah sets her ego aside). (Friday 17 January 2020; 18:34)

Re: Celine vs. Mariah (92,422) (92,424) by Tijl from Belgium Mmmm perhaps. "I Will Always Love You" is Whitney's best known song yet I don't find it emotionally appealing. There is an avalanche of belting and high notes which is out of this world but I doesn't affect me. And yes, I think Céline is batshit crazy. This video is the ultimate proof. (Friday 17 January 2020; 16:57)

A No No should have been the first single (92,423) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia The Caution era should have begin with A No No, an uptempo song with catchy lyrics and melody that would obviously generate interest from the public. I would imagined the video in the bowling centre where M and her girlfriends were having their games and other male patrons at the place were hitting on M and M said "I said no, a no no". They should have one hot Hollywood actor to play that role. This kind of video and song would draw more viewers and it would help the song on the charts more. (Friday 17 January 2020; 16:25)

Re: Celine vs. Mariah (92,420) (92,422) by Edward from USA Are you implying that Celine isn't crazy enough for you? Have you seen the faces she makes while singing some of her songs? Whitney had a way of making songs her own despite the the fact she didn't write any of them, and just because she didn't she didn't make them any less soulful. (Friday 17 January 2020; 15:58)

Re: Boy (I Need You) part 2 (92,419) (92,421) by Tijl from Belgium That remix was pow. (Friday 17 January 2020; 14:30)

Re: Celine vs. Mariah (92,415) (92,420) by Tijl from Belgium I respect Céline Dion tremendously for her technical prowess but emotionally she does absolutely nothing for me. Mariah gets to me. Especially with heartfelt ballads such as "Looking In" and "TAOLG". The fact that she has written these lyrics lift her material to a higher level. I understand that the general public adores #1 ballads as "My Heart Will Go On" and Whitney's "I Will Always Love You" as they showcase strong vocal capability yet I feel they lack honest and true emotions. (Friday 17 January 2020; 14:12)

Re: Boy (I Need You) part 2 (92,410) (92,419) by B from USA Say Somethin' did chart. It peaked at #79 on the Hot 100, #1 on Dance Club Songs chart, #23 on the Mainstream Top 40 chart, #46 on the Pop 100 chart, and #25 on the Rhythmic chart. (Friday 17 January 2020; 13:50)

Re: Boy (I Need You) part 2 (92,410) (92,418) by Bill from the UK Wrong, wrong and wrong. (Friday 17 January 2020; 12:26)

Re: You're Mine vs You Don''t Know What as first single (92,406) (92,417) by Will from Australia I'd start a hashtag justicefortheartoflettinggo but it just doesn't quite roll off the tongue. (Friday 17 January 2020; 12:00)

Re: YME vs YDKWTD (92,379) (92,416) by B from USA I love You're Mine (Eternal) but it was a horrible choice as the second single. I would've preferred MILG or a remix of Meteorite (without the Andy Warhol quote). GTFO was a perfect choice as a buzz song because it addressed Packer and Stella and I understand why With You was chosen as the first single (and it did do well in the Adult Contemporary and R&B charts) but I wish she had released Caution as the lead single followed by Giving Me Life and 8th Grade as the second and third singles respectively. A No No was doomed by JD claiming a remix featuring Cardi and Kim was coming when it wasn't. FYI, Caution returned to the charts recently so it's still selling. (Friday 17 January 2020; 11:23)

Re: Celine vs. Mariah (92,395) (92,415) by Musti from UK "This has led to a dichotomy in her fanbase - the pre and post-Butterfly fans, where the fans of one phase would criticize the other; an internal issue that Celine doesn't really experience." I think this is the main point where Mariah loses against Celine, of course other than treating lip syncing as photo shoot and not even trying to make it look realistic. She did lose a chunk of her mature fanbase. And just when she was about to build a new one amidst all the criticism she was receiving (some of it probably paid for by Tommy), she had her breakdown. I don't think she has or ever will fully recover from the side effects of this. What was once an untouchable force was now a girl-next-door who experiences human emotions. Then there was 9/11 and the world's need to have someone (or something) to laugh at. I think all of these things combined made her an easy target. I also think most people thought the breathy vocals since Butterfly indicated a vocal decline, another point that gave people a reason to attack her. By the time we reached TEOM, she had already started playing around with her diva reputation and kept this up for over 10 years. Celine never went through any of this. But then again, Celine hardly did anything other than singing. Now I love me a whole lot of Celine. She is truly talented. But how often would you hear someone say "that is so Celine"? She has hardly displayed any personality over the years, other than singing her way through an interview or doing goofy faces. For better or worse, Mariah showed the world who she is. Playful, funny, nurturing, caring, true to herself, true to her art, and many other things. She showed us the person behind the talent. That makes her vulnerable, but it also makes her real. Having said all that, I hope Mariah makes more effort and practices her lipping face frequently, as well as doing her sound checks because half-assing her performances will only draw more negative attention. (Friday 17 January 2020; 10:53)

Re: Celine vs. Mariah (92,395) (92,414) by MusicfanJ from Germany Very well written. I have to think about a view points, but I defenitly agree with it. Great post with a nice and true comparing. (Friday 17 January 2020; 10:27)

Re: Boy (I Need You) (92,402) (92,413) by Musti from UK I really don't like this song. By the time I reach the first chorus, I'm already done. She used Oh Boy literally the same year that song was released and even got Cam'ron on it. A bit too much. But I'm not going to deny the Street Remix. That song is hot. (Friday 17 January 2020; 10:11)

Re: Celine vs. Mariah (92,397) (92,412) by Timothy from USA Yes, I second the compliment on the great analysis. As a point of clarity however, Celine has lip synched on television award shows and on tour heavily since 1996/1997. Her fans are convinced that The Power of Love has not been sung live past the beginning verse since she missed the note performing for Bill Clinton during the song's initial promotion. Other than that, I agree. For all of the stand there in a gown and sing the song straight forward that Celine is so good at, there is not really a lot of magic. I loved the bombast Saturday and all of the formal pomp and circumstance with the strings and synchronized lit drones circling here during My Heart Will Go On but there was none of that feeling you get when Mariah is in good voice and teases you at the end of VOL or the way we all feel something when she does an unexpected low note. So, there in the end is disciplined results vs. fleeting magic. I guess I choose magic. (Friday 17 January 2020; 05:19)

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