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Re: Boy (I Need You) (92,402) (92,411) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines It's actually a nice song that most lambs just hate because it was chosen instead of the better single choice at the time which was The One. It stands out to this day, as nothing Mariah before or after it has that sound (the closest would probably be Sprung, and even that is stretching it). It's fun and while they did go overboard with the vocal sample embellishments, I remember it being a hit in video channels here in Asia in 2003, riding on the success of Through The Rain in our region months prior. The verses and pre-chorus are better cadenced and melodically superior to the chorus itself, which is mostly a clumsy, messy letdown that's too complicated to sing along with. It starts out cute to only end up being cloying. If the song were pitched lower to allow Mariah to sing it closer to her comfortable normal range, it probably would have yielded less annoying whispery results and made it a better fit for radio. I personally love singing along to the non-chorus parts of it. That chorus is just the least radio-friendly she's released up until the meandering vocabulary lesson The Art Of Letting Go came along a decade later. (Friday 17 January 2020; 03:07)

Re: Boy (I Need You) part 2 (92,404) (92,410) by jaker20 from US Seriously an underrated pop genius. One of the best Mariah songs that didn't chart (along with Say Somethin'), in this case it didn't even chart. The video is cute too. (Friday 17 January 2020; 01:28)

Re: Songwriters Hall of Fame (92,408) (92,409) by jaker20 from US And the topic was R&R HOF, do you know how to read? (Friday 17 January 2020; 01:08)

Re: Songwriters Hall of Fame (92,407) (92,408) by Licia from USA You said none of them mattered. Do you remember what you wrote? Lol. (Friday 17 January 2020; 00:32)

Re: Songwriters Hall of Fame (92,401) (92,407) by jaker20 from US Licia, people were referring to Rock and Roll Hall of Fame previously. Do you know the difference? (Thursday 16 January 2020; 23:41)

Re: You're Mine vs You Don''t Know What as first single (92,396) (92,406) by Bill from the UK Hmmm. I sort of grouped The Art of Letting Go with Triumphant. I know it was the album's original (better) title, but it only ended up on the deluxe edition and wasn't on the regular edition, so I'd count it more as a buzz single rather than an official one. But yes, it was released and streamable and buyable so I suppose it technically counts. Had it rocketed to number one it would be considered official by many here I'm sure lol. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 23:35)

Re: Songwriters Hall of Fame (92,399) (92,405) by Bobby A from United States Congratulations MC. It is long overdue. This is such great news at the start of 2020. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 23:32)

Boy (I Need You) part 2 (92,404) by Dove from United States I am listening to Charmbracelet and was singing along, and damn my vocal cords hurt from trying to sing in that voice. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 23:09)

Congrats, MC (92,403) by Brad from USA When you live long enough, you know what it is to not be appreciated for your hard work, talent and skill in some area of your life. For the public person that is MC, this has been her songwriting. And finally, now, people may realize what we have been blessed to have for nearly 30 years in the public domain. Thank you, MC for sharing your gift with us, I will try to attend the SHOF ceremony in June, and God bless you and us all. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 23:03)

Boy (I Need You) (92,402) by Dove from United States I really like Boy (I Need You). I think it's so fun. It makes me dance and sing along with my friends when it comes on, especially in the car. I think Through the Rain and Bringin' On The Heartbreak were the best for single choices. When I think of good singles I think of songs that would sound good on the radio, songs I wouldn't change the station with. TTR and BOTH hold your attention. IMO so does B(INY) I don't really feel like The One does, even though I do like it. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 23:02)

Re: Songwriters Hall of Fame (92,393) (92,401) by Licia from USA The very person who had such a long spiel on how unimportant they are was the first to post. Lol. I was surprised to see Annie because I thought she would have been inducted a long time ago. I'm happy for them all. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 22:58)

Re: You're vs You Don't Know What as first single (92,400) by Dove from United States I would have chosen Make it Look Good as the second single after #Beautiful. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 22:54)

Songwriters Hall of Fame (92,399) by Dove from United States Congratulations Mimi. It looks like 2020 is going to be a great year for Mariah and the Lambily. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 22:51)

Re: You're Mine vs You Don''t Know What as first single (92,396) (92,398) by Dove from United States I thought The Art of Letting Go was released first, way before the album came out. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 22:50)

Re: Celine vs. Mariah (92,395) (92,397) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Good effort. Enjoyed it. But I think you are skipping over the simple points: Mariah has been relying heavily upon lip sync for two decades and Celine has not. Mariah has failed to ever repeat live even once some of the stuff she has apparently laid to track. And if push came to shove, Celine could step in and probably hit most of it sounding good. Mariah won't even sing in Carpool Karaoke and shits herself when someone hands her a microphone for an impromptu moment. It's for the smoke, mirrors and lack of evidence that Mariah gets the most shit. Or used to. Not sure anyone gives a [censored] anymore. That being said, Celine, whilst having a great voice, has never had the pleasing tone Mariah had and sounds annoying as hell when she sings words in English sometimes. "Love" becomes "lurghve", "life" becomes "lahhf" and so on. It's irritating as shit. Just to play devils advocate. And hate on both equally. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 22:47)

Re: You're Mine vs You Don''t Know What as first single (92,372) (92,396) by Will from Australia You’re Mine was actually the third song released from MIAM after #Beautiful and then The Art of Letting Go. It was a promotional single that debuted on Facebook (we all remember her meltdown about the version not being the finished version despite them sounding nearly exactly the same?) but was released digitally and allowed to chart - it just didn’t make the Hot 100. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 22:01)

Celine vs. Mariah (92,395) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines As blindly supportive as we can all be, both Mariah's fans and critics have generally always been harsher and more critical of her, and for understandable reasons. Mariah has given the general public more damning proofs of her inability to lip sync convincingly, and so naturally, they'd have a bigger arsenal of ammunition to draw from when criticizing her. Celine, on the other hand, has always been great at acting, and we know that if things didn't go as planned, she'd be more capable of winging things and stepping in to actually sing spontaneously, whereas Mariah would likely walk out while her team and her fans make excuses for her. An observation of the comments sections across both artists' performance videos would reflect the effects of this, with Celine fans being generally more supportive in tone while Mariah fans openly discuss and dissect which parts are live from those that aren't. I have yet to come across an artist whose vocal performances are picked apart and overanalyzed by their own fans more than Mariah. Another possible reason for Celine's more solid, less critical fanbase is that she hasn't really evolved much, if at all, sound-wise. She has remained in the adult contemporary lane all her life, and that has worked well for her. That is why Barbra can still debut at number 1 in her 70s. It also explains why it's more often for country, jazz and hip-hop artists to consistently perform strongly on the album charts - because they have more loyal fanbases than R&B and pop artists, as there is a far less obvious line that separates the 2 latter genres. Mariah, on the other hand, has alienated the very strong AC fanbase she began with in her career, and this reflected in her album sales post-Daydream. This has led to a dichotomy in her fanbase - the pre and post-Butterfly fans, where the fans of one phase would criticize the other; an internal issue that Celine doesn't really experience. When an artist sticks to a particular sound, it makes them more identifiable and more likely to maintain their following rather when they hop back and forth between genres. How many times in comments sections of anything Mariah have we seen comments that go along the lines of, "I wish she could go back to the Hero days, her music was much better before she got all ghetto and concerned with earning street cred"? Lastly, Celine's wholesome, good girl image is still more appealing and acceprable to the public. She is one of those immaculate celebrities. Mariah puts herself out there more often than Celine does, which in itself makes her more susceptible to criticism. It certainly doesn't help that Mariah has no problems playing up and perpetuating her diva persona. Celine is very careful with the people and projects she associates herself with, while Mariah is often a carefree, clueless magnet for controversy. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 21:20)

Charmbracelet (92,394) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) During this period Mariah was still in a place of feeling under appreciated and uncertainty in her abilities after Glitter. B you are correct it was LA and JD who convinced M during the recording of TEOM that she needed to get her confidence back, and sing, and remind the doubters including herself that the voice was still tact, and needed to be heard. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 20:37)

Re: Songwriters Hall of Fame (92,376) (92,393) by RibbonB from USA Lol I was thinking the same thing about the ones saying it's not important. This year it seems to be they know she appreciates it more than any of others. Lol. I'm just happy when deserving people get their due. Annie Lennox missed out last year too, I'm glad they both got inducted this year. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 20:09)

Songwriter Hall of Fame (92,392) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Mariah would definitely take this over a Grammy or any award, really. Any day. She always saw herself as a songwriter first, and even if she wasn't blessed with such a prodigious instrument, she'd still do well as a songwriter. When you think about it, it really is more of her songwriting than her voice that contributed to her longevity, which it makes it even more of a crime that she isn't as appreciated as a writer than she is as a singer, but it's nice to see that truly addressed with this massive achievement. Congrats. As for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, if Whitney could get inducted, then I foresee Mariah doing so as well in the next 5 years or even less. There's something very inspiring about women pushing through and being honored in male-dominated canonizing institutions. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 19:38)

Re: Songwriter Hall of Fame (92,375) (92,391) by Bill from the UK Agree, wonderful news for Mariah. Long overdue, but so much deserved. The impact her songs have had on my life, I cannot even begin to explain. She has been my constant for years and years. I love her and what she has produced. She is an exceptional talent and it finally seems as though the world is realising what we all knew since day one. Massive congratulations, she will be delighted for this meaningful recognition. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 19:01)

Re: Charmbracelet singles (92,306) (92,390) by B from USA So was I. The One is the best song on Charmbracelet and should've been the second single. Through The Rain was Lyor Cohen's idea wanted Mariah to release a tearjerker bring down the house ballad that was steeped in the media dramas of her life. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 18:44)

Re: Migrate (92,302) (92,389) by B from USA Usher and Mariah had similar experiences in 2008. Both had their mid-tempo lead singles hit #1 and both released ballads that underperformed as their second singles. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 18:40)

Re: Charmbracelet singles (92,298) (92,388) by B from USA I'm still upset The One was replaced with Boy at the last minute. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 18:37)

Re: Celine (92,356) (92,387) by B from USA Mariah has never had a decent sound engineer and doesn't take rehearsals as seriously as she should. With that said Caution was hands down a major step in the right direction especially with her singing snippets of fan favorites completely live and sounding amazing. (Thursday 16 January 2020; 18:35)

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