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Re: The Daily Shame (89,984) (89,993) by Andrew from London UK (Ahem.) 1. The Daily Mail and many other British tabloids aren't exactly known for profound and intelligent journalism. (What is "profound journalism"? In any case it is not sensationalism to simply report that a video showing a celebrity behaving shamelessly has been released.) These sources are exploitative and vile craving on sensationalism. One day they will put a celebrity on a pedestal to knock the same person down the day after. Didn't the Daily Mail also feature the story about Mariah suffering from Bipolar II disorder? (So what? That was what was reportable at the time as is this now. The newspapers aren't arbiters of morality but nor are they obliged to seem to do the interminably positive and not print disparaging or embarrassing items. Were that to be the case, B would win a Pulitzer.) 2. The pictures aren't the most flattering but I have seen worse from other celebrities. (Comparative arguments are a bit pointless. A thing is bad because it is bad in itself, not more admirable because something worse exists.) 3. During this era she was surrounded by vultures who would never tell her "no". Knowing that Mariah has a disorder that needs very particular care which requires to abstain from anything remotely mind-expanding such as alcoholic beverages or any type of drugs. Stella gladly indulged Mariah's every wish or demand knowing this would benefit her own position. Not one person in her surroundings was actually taking proper care of her. Were they aware of her mental condition or not? Someone must have been. She wasn't looked after and was even encouraged to indulge in her cravings. This is a form of abuse. (Sorry buddy, but what a crock of shit. Mariah was self indulgent for many a year before Stella&Co came along. And, in any case, being bipolar does not absolve someone of responsibility for themselves. Portraying Mariah as a victim here is tenuous at best and just laughable at worst.) 5. Is Tanaka to blame? I don't know. Their relationship seems genuine to me but what do we really know about what goes on behind closed doors. (Have you not just done here what you would lambast the tabloids for doing? That is: inferring or hypothesising wrongdoing or ulterior motive with no evidence, just for sensationalism or your own political purpose? Well, you have.) 6. Mariah is now paying her dues for letting people into her life and trusting them to direct her career and interfere with her personal life. (She could just keep her clothes on and not act so shamefully.) (I love you,anyway.) (Saturday 15 June 2019; 00:07)

MC bikini photos (89,992) by Dove from United States I can only hope to look that good when I'm almost 50. (Friday 14 June 2019; 21:44)

Re: I'm not embarrassed (89,990) (89,991) by Bill from the UK Hahah. Oh Special K. Don't ever change. (Friday 14 June 2019; 21:43)

Re: I'm not embarrassed (89,986) (89,990) by Special K from USA Amen brotha. Wasn't Mariah butt ass naked on a damn billboard promoting her Vegas shows? (Friday 14 June 2019; 19:27)

Leave Tanaka alone (89,989) by Special K from USA My baby is the reason why Mariah got her sh$t together. Team Tanaka. (Friday 14 June 2019; 19:19)

Embarrassed (89,988) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) If MC was embarrassed about these pictures coming out she has nothing to be embarrassed about. Yes she looks faded and the lighting is hideous but other than that she has nothing to worry about. MC has to stop putting trust into people she meets so quickly because Stella and her circus did not have MC's best interests at heart from the beginning they just were out to get notoriety and perks off of MC's name and image. Hopefully MC has learned her lesson, and now we can continue to celebrate our living legend and leave the nightmare era where it belongs in the trash. (Friday 14 June 2019; 17:21)

Re: I'm not embarrassed (89,986) (89,987) by Billy from Greece Great post. (Friday 14 June 2019; 17:00)

I'm not embarrassed (89,986) by enwar00 from usa I am not embarrassed as a fan or to be a fan. And I def don't like Caution any less or think her career is over. A bikini? Heavens to Betsy not a bikini. It's been 20 years since this woman pranced around in a bikini and roller skates bending over washing a car in a video. She's taken tons of pics touching her body. Such old news. Who am I to shame her? If anything I feel empathy if she herself feels bad or to see someone with mental health issues be taken advantage of. Ride or die. (Friday 14 June 2019; 16:49)

Re: The Daily Shame (89,964) (89,985) by MusicfanJ from Germany All I can say is just no. I feared that something like that would happen because of her once beloved "empower clan". It's very embarrassing for her and it's a shame that it happens now while her image is still in repair. With all the praise the last months, the press will destroy it a lot with the pics. It's really sad for Mariah and it's indeed embarrassing for her fans too. (Friday 14 June 2019; 14:21)

Re: The Daily Shame (89,964) (89,984) by Tijl from Belgium What to say? Well, many things actually. 1. The Daily Mail and many other british tabloids aren't exactly known for profound and intelligent journalism. These sources are exploitative and vile craving on sensationalism. One day they will put a celebrity on a pedestal to knock the same person down the day after. Didn't the Daily Mail also feature the story about Mariah suffering from Bipolar II disorder? 2. The pictures aren't the most flattering but I have seen worse from other celebrities. I guess Mimi forget about her disliking of overhead lighting that particular moment. 3. During this era she was surrounded by vultures who would never tell her "no". Knowing that Mariah has a disorder that needs very particular care which requires to abstain from anything remotely mind-expanding such as alcoholic beverages or any type of drugs. Stella gladly endulged Mariah's every wish or demand knowing this would benefit her own position. Not one person in her surroundings was actually taking proper care of her. Were they aware of her mental condition or not? Someone must have been. She wasn't looked after and was even encouraged to endulge in her cravings. This is a form of abuse. 4. Stella is clearly using every trick in the book to get back to Mariah. This moment will pass as well. Unfortunately in the old days tabloids in printed form were thrown into the bin and the next day brought new gossip. These days anything on the internet lives on forever and goes viral immediately. 5. Is Tanaka to blame? I don't know. Their relationship seems genuine to me but what do we really know about what goes on behind closed doors. I never believed that there has been a genuine relationship with Packer. Tanaka had a crush on Mimi ever since the Adventures of Mimi tour and most likely this was played out in MW as the show was very dull for starters. 6. Mariah is now paying her dues for letting people into her life and trusting them to direct her career and interfere with her personal life. 7. I wish that she would take matters into her own hands and be bold and direct about what the hell happened those crazy years with Stella. The memoirs she is writing should be straightforwardly honest and blunt. She has received many accolades the past year that celebrate her professional work. It is time for Mariah to redeem herself as a human being and gain back some respect by wiping out any doubt. (Friday 14 June 2019; 11:56)

Re: Stella and company / studio sessions (89,975) (89,983) by Shezz from Pk Why are people acting like this is brand new information? These clips were out and circulating during the Stella era. They are merely providing more unnecessary details now. Hell, M even confesses to it in With You. She's really tried to turn her life around since being "woke" and back on the wagon. It's sad to see fans lose respect for her again now. As for the studio sessions, I think M basically spelt it out in the Amsterdam show that it's for the 25th anniversary of Merry Christmas by saying "it's for a special event". Hopefully it's a couple of new tracks to be included and not another rework of AIWFC. (Friday 14 June 2019; 05:43)

Re: Everyone from the nightmare era is suspect (89,970) (89,982) by RibbonB from USA Uhm I've been saying that ball along. He is part of the whole stunt. Mimi said on the flop show that she hired him to be be dumb ass with her and he said he is the best dumbest ever. All true. (Friday 14 June 2019; 04:28)

To be honest I thought they had more (89,981) by Randy from USA If this is what MC was scared of being released, it's a bit anti-climactic. I thought it would be some embarrassing things that we had no clue what was going on, like hardcore drugs or a sex tape. This is exactly what I think went on in the background during that era with Stella and the rest. She was having some out of it fun and people recorded and snapped pictures. Is it good for her legacy or for her kids? No. But this is so not the jeopardization of her career she seemed so worried about in legal paperwork. (Friday 14 June 2019; 04:12)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey had affair with her backup dancer (89,974) (89,980) by Norman from USA Are the pics supposed to make me think less of her? I mean, have you guys checked out this new app called Instagram? That place has some questionable pics all over the place. Look, I'm not saying I like the pics (certainly unflattering lighting, if I'm being kind), but they weren't meant to see the light of day. I don't care what/whom they were meant for. Mariah showed a lack of judgement by trusting that camp as much as she did, but there's nothing she can do about it now. Slut shaming is never a good look on anyone. I'm here for the talent. (Friday 14 June 2019; 03:00)

Is that it? (89,979) by Will from Australia We've been reading about the law suit and the alleged intimate moments but if what we've seen in the Daily Mail is the extent of those intimate moments then thank goodness. I was expecting much worse. Mariah can shake this all off with either the MW narrative and the fakeness of that or either her bipolar condition. I'm not worried about how she'll recover, she will. (Friday 14 June 2019; 02:38)

Mariah Carey had affair with her backup dancer (89,978) by Licia from USA Although I did not watch the show fully, alot of this played out on the show. We already knew she was messing around with Banaka while she was with JP. As for those pictures, they look really bad because she looks super wasted, but it's not super shocking as far as the sexting goes. It was wrong for her to send naked pics to another man while engaged, but not shocking. I hate that they are trying to humiliate her, but we knew this would happen. Marissa you hit on alot of good points about Banaka. I've never trusted or liked him. He's no better than Stella and her crew in my eyes. (Friday 14 June 2019; 02:35)

Re: Everyone from the nightmare era is suspect (89,970) (89,977) by SM from Citizen of the World I agree. (Friday 14 June 2019; 02:27)

Re: Stella and company (89,975) (89,976) by jaker20 from US That is so messy and embarrassing. I don't get why she would send embarrassing photos like that. Does she not know how technology works? If its on anybody's phone, even your phone, it will find its way out. She didn't even do her make up lol. But honestly in this day and age, that is pretty tame and no one will care. Let this be a lesson for her though, hopefully she'll learn. In the end, the public don't care. They see it and move on. If that's Mother Theresa then the people would be shocked. But come on, we've seen Mariah act like that on her videos and even on some photoshoots. So what's the big deal? My only regret is that he's not properly made up and the lighting was bad. But in the end, no one cares. She served a great album and hopefully the Grammys take notice and have a comeback narrative. (Friday 14 June 2019; 01:47)

Stella and company (89,975) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) If anyone can not see what is going on here you don't want to see it. Stella and company are definitely doing anything for clout and relevance because no one is paying attention to them. These gossip magazines and websites will do anything for a story that they know will bring them traffic or money. Obviously they know that M's names still attracts attention so if she is the target it's fair game. Honestly I am not saying that M doesn't deserve to accept blame for all the negativity and nonsense that came along with Stella and company but to continue to try to damage and destroy her because she does not want to associate herself with these people anymore is just plain pathetic on their behalf. It is time for these people to go into hiding and never come out again. (Friday 14 June 2019; 01:08)

Article: Mariah Carey had affair with her backup dancer (89,974) by Lee from USA Man, please. I have seen worse from some of the biggest stars online, and yet they're working. The woman is sporting a six pack in every picture. If she is some overweight pill-popping mess, then why is Tanaka is with her now? He sure ain't cheating on her. And as for the kids, if she was acting so crazy, then why no one called child protection services, including her so-called manager? This shit smell fishier than a mermaid's bra. (Friday 14 June 2019; 00:33)

Re: Lead the Way (89,965) (89,973) by Andrew from London UK If you tell me it's not cut and paste I may go with it. But the fake video of her singing it in the studio makes me question the veracity. I love Lead The Way. Mariah is undoubtedly proud of it. As am I of her for creating it. It trounces everything on TEOM (which I don't rate much as much as others seem to do) and I wish it were one of her signature tunes (aside VOL, Hero, Without You, AIWFCIY, WBT). It certainly isn't prime Mariah, but it is Mariah being spectacular post prime, in song writing as well as vocal prowess. Yes, the mid-level Whitney belts had gone (but so had Whitney's) but this was a vocal sensation. I miss those times. Whatever the new album brings, it silly requires: A banging summer track with infectious hook A power ballad A stadium anthem A reflective but soaring introverted piece Then we can all die happy. Time to move on from Caution and be bold. And stop acting like a common tramp. (Friday 14 June 2019; 00:28)

Re: The Daily Shame (89,964) (89,972) by B from USA Who cares? Packer is gay and Mariah was his beard. Mariah told Packer she was a "born again Virgin" to avoid sleeping with him, I can't. Did we not watch this play out on Mariah's World? I thought it was clear to everyone she began seeing Bryan while still engaged to Packer, was it not? Some of ya'll have a looser grip on reality than I do. (Friday 14 June 2019; 00:19)

Re: Daily Shame (89,971) by Nikki from usa I hate to be the bearer of bad facts with so many drooling over Mariah's intended misfortune. However, most of this was on Mariah's World - this isn't new, it's just a twisted version of Stella's new script. Mariah was getting down at the party on the show. In the previews and behind the scenes snippets we can hear the director giving Mariah and Tanaka instructions. It's television. You aren't a fly on the wall seeing something nobody else can conceive, it's scripted and intended for viewership. Those photos are bad, but not any worse than what Mishka was uploading during the time period. It changed nothing. I also don't see anything in the text excerpts proving Mariah and Bryan were doing anything at the time. Mariah was renting a chateau for them all to stay in, not just Bryan. That was also in the show, along with the fact Tanaka was always helping her with her kids. We all know there were a lot of re-shoots too. Mariah would do well to stop being so "nice" with Stella and bury her already. A contract means nothing if you don't go through with the consequences for breaking it. (Thursday 13 June 2019; 23:57)

Everyone from the nightmare era is suspect (89,970) by Marissa from USA Since the Daily Mail article was essentially about Mariah sexting Tanaka, I just have to say that I do not trust him or think he's innocent. I think he's a glorified sugar baby plain and simple. He was right there when she was mentally unstable and drunk and/or high just like everyone else enabling. He knew she was in a dark place but that didn't stop him from pursuing a relationship with someone who wasn't well or really in touch with reality. A strong man/a man who really loves you will not stand by and laugh and pose for pictures while you're destroying your life, acting foolish and surrounded by vultures. If anyone could find Mariah's behavior attractive from the nightmare era to want to be in a relationship long term without setting major boundaries or limits, they are either codependent or an opportunist. Just because MC kept him around doesn't mean he's healthy for her. Maybe he actually loves her now due to all the time that's passed, but in the beginning no one without an agenda and/or unhealthy self-esteem would have put up with her behavior. Yes, I know Mariah is ultimately responsible for her behavior but that doesn't mean other people are not guilty of enabling. (Thursday 13 June 2019; 23:22)

Re: The Daily Shame (89,964) (89,969) by Edward from USA I had said it before, this is just the beginning from Cuntella and her daughter Bitchka. It's sad because I actually think Mariah is in a different place right now. I'm glad this is happening though, maybe she finally bursts the yass-queen bubble of people she's decided to trap herself in, incluring the yass-queen fans. Those pics are humiliating and Mariah looks as if she had herself a mixture of pills, alcohol and God knows what else. I was glad when Morgan opened his mouth, even though it wasn't for him to tell. She should've taken notes from that, her yass-queen nephew denied everything. I'll go with the yass-queen lambs, she was going through a divorce, having an affair, her humidifiers were contaminated, and the list goes on. (Thursday 13 June 2019; 22:52)

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