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Re: Can somebody explain to me (68,743) (68,745) by Edward from USA Some fans can't see past their delusions. Stella is aggressive because she's a big a**hole. You wouldn't ever haer real and respectable managers like Benny Medina talk and behave like that. She's a lamb all right. She's managing Mariah Carey not Nick Minaj. I don't blame her for the trainwreck Mariah's been on lately because Mariah is in charge. But she's definitely annoying and aggressive. (Monday 28 November 2016; 16:00)

Re: Can somebody explain to me (68,743) (68,744) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands If Stella's only qualification for manager is that she's a lamb, then Mariah is in big trouble. (Monday 28 November 2016; 15:42)

Re: Can somebody explain to me (68,742) (68,743) by Edouard from France Well, don't we all want Mariah's manager to be "all in" and root for her? She clearly is a lamb too. (Monday 28 November 2016; 15:35)

Re: Can somebody explain to me (68,740) (68,742) by Webmaster Eric from the Netherlands Remember this? Page Six relays the aggressive response given to them by Mariah's manager Stella Bulochnikow in regards to the insider's disclosure, and her words clearly solidify the fact that she is quite aggressive and steadfast in her decisions. Additionally, she comes across just a touch unprofessional. "If you're trying to get into my good graces, you're doing a wonderful job. Feel free to write whatever the f--k you want, so all three of your readers can be amused. F--k off and lose my number. You are an idiot. Mariah is on fire." (Monday 28 November 2016; 15:23)

Re: Randy (68,725) (68,741) by MusicfanJ from Germany I remember when I first heard Honey back in 97 I was so surprised. After hearing the whole album I thought how her voice changed. I had to play it 3 times and then I felt in love with this cd. After Daydream what really happened? Was is because of the stress in private and business? I wish Mariah would tell us but maybe it's too bad to be told. (Monday 28 November 2016; 15:05)

Can somebody explain to me (68,740) by Edouard from France What's your problem with Stella? I mean, we've never even heard her talk about Mariah, we don't even know what kind of person she is. We just assume this and that based on her looks. I mean, WTF? (Monday 28 November 2016; 14:24)

Re: Randy (68,736) (68,739) by Licia from USA You all think Mariah has been smoking the dope? For shame you gangsters for making this purebred holy woman partake in such activities. You know if she's in the studio with a gangster she just has to do what they do. Lol. (Monday 28 November 2016; 12:42)

Re: Randy (68,736) (68,738) by Todd from Sydney, Australia Haha lexically. That's an Oxford University/"Art of Letting Go" word there ever was one. (Monday 28 November 2016; 12:38)

All I Want For Christmas Is You (68,737) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I've been pretty hard on Mariah lately so I decided to take a step back and try to balance that out by posting something that has been mentioned countless times but still not mentioned enough - AIWFCIY. This is her legacy. Only those quite knowledgeable in music will recognize her for pushing the Pop-R&B-Hip-hop fusion to its ubiquitous mainstream status today, but everyone, even those who don't celebrate Christmas knows that she has written the most recent tune worthy of being considered a holiday classic. The last one was Wham's Last Christmas, which is also brilliant. A lot of artists since then have managed futile attempts at creating that magical holiday song since then. Not Celine, Whitney, Janet, or even Madonna has that. I'd rather her have that than any of the awards she has been robbed of from that award show they call the Swifties/Yoncies. (Monday 28 November 2016; 12:15)

Re: Randy (68,733) (68,736) by Andrew from UK "Timbre" haha. "Lexically" in love with you, right now. Something obviously just "snapped" in that period. The vocal deterioration in the past 15 years can't be borne of singing too much. She mimes practically everything lol. Too much alcohol and partying. In comparison Celine is always banging on about how she looks after her voice. Can't see Celine in the studio with gangsters blazin' up haha. (Monday 28 November 2016; 10:42)

Re: Oprah (68,726) (68,735) by Lannister from USA Thanks, Ribbon. I didn't know that - my bad. "Truth", it's a real treat being called a troll by the biggest troll on the board. (Monday 28 November 2016; 10:23)

Re: Christmas wish covers (68,724) (68,734) by Merr Hasenan from Malaysia I want her to sing Where Are You Christmas? We know she penned the song and this is the time for her to sing it. (Monday 28 November 2016; 9:58)

Re: Randy (68,725) (68,733) by Todd from Sydney, Australia Wholeheartedly agree, Randy. I personally noticed it during My All in the first VH1 Divas Live - there was a significant change, and I remember even thinking "wow, she's got a cold", and there's been a deterioration since. Personally, I love her raspyness and hoarse sounding timbre and infact prefer it to her Daydream-era voice. But yes, there was a definite shift around the Butterfly album. (Monday 28 November 2016; 7:45)

Re: Randy (68,725) (68,732) by Bill from the UK The two worst things in the world for a singing voice are alcohol and marijuana. On the Daydream tour, which I attended, during the songs Mariah would sip honey and lemon tea. Now between songs she sips champagne. The evidence of her drinking is in the lyrics of her songs since 1997. The Roof, Babydoll, Crybaby, etc. It is evidenced also who Mariah collaborates with on all her albums and what that culture partakes in. That is what changed her voice. It was her choice and she was free to make it, just as Whitney was, who was equally as highly revered and respected as Mariah was for her vocal talent. I really don't think there's anything to publicly acknowledge as it is perpetually thrown in our faces the exact cause of her vocal change. (Monday 28 November 2016; 7:23)

Re: Randy (68,725) (68,731) by Bobby from Usa I love everything about your post but how do you not mention The Roof? Ahh and you call yourself a die hard? Jk jk jk but that's what's really wrong with this board. (Monday 28 November 2016; 5:56)

Re:Randy (68,730) by Nikki from usa Those are some interesting points. But, does "treated me kind, sweet destiny" sound like "when you walk by looking fine"? Mariah's debut had a much more alto sounding voice but, compared to Fantasy's soprano voice they sound nothing alike. I think Mariah showed a lot of vocal variance in Melt Away with her vocal tones and stylings, but even Melt Away's alto Mariah sounds nothing like the deep tones found on Vision of Love. I don't know that everyone is sticking their heads in the sand so much as noticing a continual change in Mariah's voice as the years go on. Some folks act like Mariah woke up one day and her voice was different when it's rarely ever been the same for more than 2-3 years at a time since she came out. I don't know anything about events, but there were other changes between '96-'97. For one, the internet blew up and media in general began expanding. Mariah's Daydream tour had her only singing 1 concert per week for 1 month at a time. 2nd month was off and she wrapped it up in month 3. In '97 Mariah began speeding up her promo, doing more of it, and taking far less time off for breaks in between. (Monday 28 November 2016; 5:44)

Article: Mariah Carey leads most-downloaded holiday songs list (68,729) by Kelley Keenan from USA I'd just like to point out that Mariah also wrote #7. (Monday 28 November 2016; 3:51)

Re: Oprah (68,723) (68,727) by THE TRUTH from USA Troll much? Am I the only one on this board who notices you are brand new here, made your debut accusing me of being Morgan, then turned up again singing Shawn's praises; and now are talking smack about Morgan? You don't need a law degree to see what's going on here. Maybe you should take your issues directly to Morgan or seek help elsewhere and not on this board. (Monday 28 November 2016; 1:50)

Re: Oprah (68,723) (68,726) by RibbonB from USA Thought that was common knowledge by the lambs. Shawn has mentioned her generosity and support in several interviews. Here is a mention of it in Vibe. (Monday 28 November 2016; 1:45)

Re: Randy (68,718) (68,725) by Randy from USA But I have to tell you, Butterfly is what made me a die hard. No one has ever and no one will ever write a commercial album with vocals: the last chorus of Butterfly, My All, Outside, Whenever You Call, The Beautiful Ones. With lyricism: Butterfly, Breakdown, Close My Eyes, Outside. With crossing genres. Hip Hop: Honey, Breakdown, Pop: Whenever You Call, My All, Dance: Fly Away/Butterfly Mix, R&B: Babydoll. And the album was cohesive. It still is mind boggling, when you compare albums that get noticed now like Adele's 25, Beyonce's Lemonade and Rihanna's Anti. They aren't able to do what MC did in 97. But at the same time, that period marked the beginning of her vocal downfall. You can tell the difference even in the studio. "When you walk by every night talking sweet and looking fine, I get kinda hectic inside" sounds so much different in tone than "Honey you can have me when you want me, just simply ask me to be there." And that's what infuriates me about this board. No one wants to believe that there was some traumatic event, besides the divorce, that happened between Tokyo 96 and Butterfly promotion 97. Everyone wants to put their head in the sand and say "Oh she's the best singer in the world and she cant sing like she used to because it's been 27 years." (Sunday 27 November 2016; 23:48)

Christmas wish covers (68,724) by BH from UK Since Christmas is fast approaching, I want to make a little festive wish of my own. I've secretly always wanted Mariah to cover one of my favourite Jackson 5 songs: I Wanna Be Where You Are. We all know she touched I'll Be There with her magic stick and I personally think she would turn this song into something special. Mariah if you're out there please please please cover this song for me. So guys, what's your Christmas wish cover? (Sunday 27 November 2016; 23:45)

Re: Oprah (68,716) (68,723) by Lannister from USA Pretty sure she did not pay for his education but I could be wrong. Where did anyone see that? I'm sure she appreciates having at least one family member who actually worked hard for something. Not counting her mother here, but Alison is a tragedy we all know about and in many ways Morgan is worse - able bodied, seemingly smart guy who just, for whatever reason, was never able to make it. Always has his hand out to M and, when she didn't pony up, went to the press for paychecks. Really sad. Said it was about Alison but I read on some blog of the guy who caretakes for Alison that Morgan never sent any cash over from his checks on stories. Really pathetic to profit on that situation - not sure how he sleeps. (Sunday 27 November 2016; 21:54)

Beautiful AIWFCIY cover (68,722) by Martyn from England, UK I'm not usually into cover versions of All I Want For Christmas because I think Mariah's version is so untouchable and flawless, but a friend showed me this version today and I absolutely love it. The lady who sings it is called Helen Fischer and I believe she's a German popstar. I don't really know anything else about her, but I thought I'd share. (Sunday 27 November 2016; 18:21)

R Kelly (68,721) by RibbonB from USA I see he has been tweeting Mariah about possibly working together. I hope not. Mariah needs to sing alone, at least that is my preference. Please don't waste your time with an old joke. Perhaps he could write her a song, but there are so many good songwriters out there that she can work with. But, she will do what she will do. (Sunday 27 November 2016; 17:36)

Re: Oprah (68,716) (68,720) by RibbonB from USA Shawn is not gay as you seem to be saying. He seems to indicate otherwise on twitter and based on this bio. They referred to Mariah as his famous cousin, but we know he is her nephew/brother as she always says. (Sunday 27 November 2016; 17:32)

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