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Re: I'm going to reply (57,421) (57,431) by Marcus from Brazil B, for an "almost too gay to function guy", you tend to be too rude to some people. You were being rude to Randy for expressing his opinion. You also tend to be catty when nobody's coming to snatch your weave. Chill, B, chill. It ain't that deep. There is a clear difference between expressing an opinion and being self-righteous. I now understand why people think lambs are paranoid and argumentative all the time. Like that lamb in Italy who killed his girlfriend because she said one of Mariah's breasts was bigger than the other. I'm pretty sure Mariah wouldn't condone that. Mariah loves everybody, and if she knew you were trying to snatch Randy's weave when he's clearly bald, she would be mad at you. We shoud love everybody. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 21:20)

Article: Mariah Carey celebrates both Halloween and Christmas (57,430) by Kim from Philippines Starlet? This articles needs to be re-written. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 17:22)

Re: My Mimi L. moment (57,426) (57,429) by Luke from United Kingdom Wouldn't you wear a cascade of diamonds all the time if you had them? Haha. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 17:12)

Re: My Mimi L. moment (57,426) (57,427) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Lol I should start a MCA mini series called "If I didn't know, I could have sworn". But seriously though Lee, the pic you posted, I could have sworn it was straight out of 2013 as well. I had to read the caption to understand it's recent. This is another picture that looks very 2013 to me. Flawless face. Also check out this adorable picture. So cute. Did you see the picture of her and Santa in the carriage? That's another cute woman. This woman is setting things up for a comeback. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 16:15)

My Mimi L. moment (57,426) by Lee TS from USA If I didn't know I could've sworn this was taken during her interviews in 2013 about The Art Of Letting Go. Ageless queen. Slay. Just for laughs haha. And I still don't get why she keeps wearing that necklace. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 15:45)

This gonna be me the whole month of December (57,425) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End This clip made my day. The whip and nae nae meme was getting pretty old but this is a really creative oddball use incorporating AIWFCIY. These things make me laugh. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 15:36)

Re: Baby Divas Live 1998 (57,424) by Lee TS from USA You gotta be kidding me Baby. Aretha being generous for having her song split apart? I don't know about you but to me that's the ultimate R.E.S.P.E.C.T. to have her fellow divas sing her praises. Letting her song be the grand finale and to close the show, like what more do you want? I don't get the whole Celine bashing thing going on, but what she did was fun and a moment. Aretha even invited Mariah to sing in the beginning but I guess she felt more comfortable in the background being the doo wop pop chick. Who knows maybe Celine caught the holy ghost at the moment since Aretha insisted on bringing church to the house. Can you blame the woman for being spiritual? Anyway, there will never be another Divas Live like a '98 Divas Live, that is until Mariah gets honored. Her hair will be even bigger then. Now amen to that. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 15:32)

Re: No MAS: Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,387) (57,423) by B from USA I love her performance at Diva's Live 98. Unlike the Canadian [censored] she let Aretha have the spotlight. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 15:13)

Re: (57,388) (57,422) by B from USA I listened to your podcast about MIAMTEC. Looking forward to it. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 15:09)

Re: I'm going to reply (57,403) (57,421) by B from USA Randy, if I had a dollar for every time I read a post by you about this subject I'd be rich. We get it, when you're with your black gay men friends on the East coast you're ashamed of Mariah because she can't sing. She depends on smoke and mirrors and lost her voice in 96. I'm so ready for this debate or whatever to end but somehow we keep circling back to it. I love Mariah's voice, always have, always will. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 15:07)

Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,404) (57,420) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End May, the point is, it was Natural Woman. That's one of Aretha's signature songs aside from Respect (sip that tea). Full stop. Period. She could have refused to share the billing for that song entirely and no one could blame her. So, having all of the divas and Carole King join in was frankly rather generous of Aretha. You miss the point entirely if you don't get that. Like I doubt very much Celine Dion would have split her My Heart Will Go On Baby in the same way that night. Mariah gets it. She always gets it. Hopefully Celine learned along the way because even though I know it wasn't malicious, it made her look like an attention hog for no apparent reason going up against Aretha so aggressively. My 2¢. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 13:25)

Re: Mariah is bad influence (57,381) (57,419) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End May, your story cracks me up because it reminds me of similar situations with my little brother, who I practically raised from infancy. See, I have been a Lamb all his life and when the Glitter soundtrack came out I remember taking him on picnics to the park and playing the album. It got to the point where he'd be singing Loverboy at the top of his lungs trying to imitate me imitating Mariah. I even recorded him but I don't know where that tape went. He was so earnest about it too, so I just let him because I didn't wanna make it a big to-do by forbidding him from repeating innuendo he wasn't able to decipher being a mere 5-year old, when clearly he was enjoying himself. I'm pretty sure we aren't unique in this fandom or any other where reacy lyrics or suggestive dance moves are concerned. This is especially true where R&B artists are concerned. It's part of the genre history. All of this was to say, my little brother is doing well today, studying engineering at university, so it's all good. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 12:43)

Re: Randy (57,409) (57,418) by Bino from Great post, Nikki. Didn't know most of these things, thanks for this. I'm afraid some will find these reasons as another excuse. But this post and Randy's last post only show that we can express our views and knowledge without unnecessary condescending tone. Randy's last post is different from the previous one, which probably meant he got the point. That is that we can criticise Mariah all we want, express our frustrations, and say negative things about her, but still in a decent way (this is a fan club, after all), i.e., without mockery and air of superiority. Otherwise, expect a negative reaction, especially from Baby. So, Randy, you think Mariah's Diva's Live performance was horrendous (you were mortified you said). Tell us why. In my opinion, aside from the fact that her voice had drastically changed that time, she would have not been able to "stand up next to them" because her voice is not as "powerful"; she is a lyric coloratura soprano (please correct me if I'm wrong), which means her voice is very agile and light, which means she would still have sounded less "full" and "loud", even though her voice was not strained, compared with the big-voice Aretha and Celine. Just my thoughts. Not an expert. It will be lovely to have a nice discussion. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 11:35)

Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,404) (57,417) by Bino from Hi May. We're cool. Except for the video, my post was in response to Randy's post. Cheers. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 11:01)

Re: Randy (57,409) (57,416) by Musti from UK That was a great post. What I truly cannot stand with some fans is the feeling that Mariah needs to apologise for her changing voice or retire. Or endless comparisons to other singers. There's really no point in trying to understand what happened to her voice, other than doing everything she can to preserve it. It is what it is. The resentful attitude towards her like she's done something wrong is so tired. When Maria Callas lost her voice in the late 50s her die hard fans stuck with her while others went for the lesser Joan Sutherland. After her death her incomparable talent was recognised once again but Callas still died alone and unhappy. Mariah is no Callas (tbt), nor has her voice changed drastically like Callas. Some singers simply have more fragile voices than others. With her singing technique it's a miracle she can still pull off half the tricks she used to. As Nikki pointed out she had health problems and she was depressed during that period. If you think that's bull then you really have no idea what you're talking about (read Callas). I have been closely studying diva voices for almost two decades now. Opera, jazz, soul, pop, you name it. She's human. Simple biology. On top of all that she has been relying on an unparalleled extension into the whistle register way beyond her natural voice throughout her life. Just because she could do it in a finger snap in 1990 doesn't mean she forever will or that she won't have off days. She had them even back then. Take it or leave it. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 10:19)

Thank you Mariah Carey (57,415) by Pau from Mexico Hello everyone, this is my first post in MC Archives. I became part of the lambily a few months ago when I listened to MC's music for the first time in May. I'm from Mexico, 25 years old, second language is English, and I have listened to music from English speaking countries since forever. I must confess I cannot believe I grew up ignoring a living legend and I wonder why Sony never promoted an amazing artist as her in Mexico, because we do listen to American music. I could write a huge list with dozens of artists that are well known here, and even have done concerts in Mexico. Just focusing on the main top pop acts: in less than a month Sam Smith and Ariana Grande came to Mexico City and Beyonce, Katy Perry, Madonna, Lady Gaga (to keep the list short) came in 2014 - Madonna comes back in January, though. Mexico is well know as the "door to Latin-American music market" and its own 120 million people market is not bad either. So, why has she never looked at Mexico as a potential market? Especially in the 90s when she was in her 20s. In Latin America she's never visited another country besides Brazil for a promotional tour more than once. She came to Mexico for Charmbracelet and went to Argentina for Rainbow but it was for a day or two, so could you really count those? What about concerts? Just in Brazil and every 10 years. As a new lamb, it is very disappointing to realize she is not appreciated in the latin world, not even in Christmas time. MC is known just for her relation with Luis Miguel, and maybe a couple of songs like Without You and WBT, maybe TMB. Last week I found a parody on Youtube from one Mexican TV show (very important one), the parody is from a bad experience with her when they interviewed her in Rainbow era. MC was rude, purposely "falling asleep" in the middle of the interview, and answering with mono syllables - of course I don't judge her for one interview from more than 15 years ago knowing that era was very exhausting for her, but every time they mention her (if they ever), there will be a reference of "Mariah Scary" as they started calling her. (Yes the interviewer is still on the program.) During the last months I changed my normal readings (politics, social sciences, history) for MC material. I committed to my research (lol) and I read hundreds of articles, watched her music videos, interviews, tours, TV specials, speeches, and any material that is available on the Internet. I even read a high amount of the articles from 1990 until 2015 on this website. With my research I did my best to catch up for the last 25 years and I must say that I am so impressed by her. The only thing that kept me reading and looking for more was her. She is the first singer I admire and in order to understand her legacy I had to study more about the music industry, which has never attracted me before. Now I cannot stop reading about music, its industry, its development and its business model, oh. And I can't stop listening to all the incredible singers I'm discovering every day. I really have to thank her for that because for the first time of my life I'm enjoying the music because I now understand its beautifulness and its important cultural value. Also, I am always looking up to strong, independent and successful women like her. To me, as ambitious as I am, it was amazing to have found this new role model as Mariah Carey. I find her so interesting and inspirational. Actually, I decided to use MC as a role model for young girls in my NGO along with the rest of the profiles from different industries I have chosen. Mariah Carey is definitely a role model and has a story worth telling and to look up to for all women. I also find very interesting the comparison between her and Beyonce, two of the most succesful American female artist of the last decades, one from the 90s and other from the 2000s, their backgrounds naturally determined their personalities and professional decisions, but the generation difference (Gen X vs Gen Y) is worth writing an article just for fun because the mark these amazing women are leaving are very different. Sometimes when I read the messageboard I'm happy to find out new things about MC from interviews that are not available on the internet, so thank you to all of you, Lambily, for those interesting contributions. I'm sorry for the length of this message, but I really want to be part of this community and I thought for my first comment it wouldn't be that bad. Saludos a todos desde México. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 8:10)

Article: My "Auld Lang Syne" will cost you millions (57,413) by Lee TS from USA A little late but go head girl, get your coins together. I'm sure Nick will be doing his DJ gig on NYE. Did I do that? Oops. Lol no but know you're worth Mariah. And tell Packer to get behind the Mean Moms project and have you added as the 4th mom. Jennifer Aniston, Sandra Bullock, Cameron Diaz, and Mariah Carey. How perfect haha. Mariah's an A-list actress didn't you know? I thought she told you. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 8:10)

Re: I'm going to reply (57,403) (57,412) by Bill from the UK I heard a rumour that Mariah actually had nodule surgery after the Daydream tour and her voice post 1996 is the result of that. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 7:07)

Re: I'm going to reply (57,403) (57,411) by Marcel from Montréal, Canada You're right Randy. In [...] opinion she had problems after each tour: 1993 was great but singing those [...] songs live was too much for her and 94 showed us a MC changing the key to her songs [...] the first time. Still [...]. Daydream was the same and after the mini tour she suffered even more but still good. 97 the first recordings were the best vocals to me: WYC, MA, Out [...] 4th July. But there's the answer she was always making fun of how much Crystal, Moet she drank during those other recordings and the weird laugh laugh environment she was at while recording Breakdown "the smoky studio" and partying night after night drinking and don't know if more. The last recording CME shows a more raspy tone. To me it was that: she felt free and drank too much and if not doing drugs herself she was certainly surrounded by that [...]. And if you listened to her brother Morgan little interview for Radar Online he - obviously for a good check - speaks about how big her alcohol problems are ever since Tommy (97) that he can't recall a single day Mariah is not with a glass of alcohol in her hand and that since 2001 she's been dangerously mixing it with [...] meds she takes in order to control her diagnozed bipolarity. You might say he lies and such but we all have heard the difference since 97 specifically. He says he's truly afraid MC becomes the next Whitney or MJ because she just listen to her yes people and believes that rules of physics don't apply to her just because she is Mariah Carey. Sad but I think that yes, she pushed her voice beyond her own limits but that isn't the cause of her vocal problems, to me even paid for the note, what Morgan says is closer to what really happens. Hope she gets the help and loving care she desperately needs. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 6:40)

Re: I'm going to reply (57,403) (57,410) by Lee TS from USA I'm sorry but I had to chuckle about the battle of the divas, you should film these debates. It's giving me Paris Is Burning vibes like an underground ballroom type of deal. I want to know who wins in the ballgown category, most likely Beyonce I'm guessing. Mariah did fine at Divas Live and she had fun with it. Yes I would've liked if she did 2 weeks of vocal rest for the event but it is what it was. I felt Aretha kind of put Mariah in her place and Celine definitely held her own. It was moments upon moments. I hope Mariah will have her Aretha moment in maybe another 10 years, blessing some young budding diva with a live duet. But can you imagine if she would still have a voice then? Not shady but being honest. With Celine I don't know about a duet but maybe M can write a song for her. And they can definitely bond over the twins and shoes. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 5:59)

Re: Randy (57,409) by nikki from usa Mariah had a series of health problems during '98. She was newly divorced and living out of hotel rooms after having 4 years of a stable home environment. She discovered just how catastrophic smoke was to her voice and a lot of this was documented on her specials, behind-the-scenes, and even news at the time. Mariah suffered from heart palpitations, hives, and frequent illness. Divas Live wasn't supposed to happen, her doctor ordered her against it, but MC didn't want to give up the chance to sing with Aretha despite her sore throat. Mariah talked about this at the time on VH1. All of this would explain why her vocals so drastically improved in '02 when she was on another label and had a steady home without all the smoking rapper hangouts. I was there live in MN for her Good Morning America in '02 and that was completely live and on point. I don't know how you missed Macy's, The Philharmonic with a cracked rib no less, her Rockefeller performances over the years, or duet with Buble. People go overboard in their obsession to "prove" MC can't sing. How many times can someone sing the same song and sound different every time they sing it? Some parts are going to be similar as the performances stack up. But, if you're gonna lip a track, you lip it. Not Frankenstein it from 6 different lives over a decade for 1 track. I'd also like to know how many times you checked out the same track from Celine's "live" shows over the past decade and compared them all note to note? (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 3:53)

Re: I'm going to reply (57,403) (57,408) by Terna from Nigeria If you have lost faith in Mariah Carey that's your problem, but don't come in here as Baby pointed out with your sarcasm, cynicism and confusion trying to afflict those of us who see Mariah clearly for who she is, the best, number 1. And don't need approval from fan bases of artists on a much lower level than Mariah's to validate all she stands for. If by now you don't know why you fell in love with Mariah or you waver everytime someone tries to make her seem less than she is, which in my own experience is a lot of times, then you aren't strong willed enough nor a true lamb because a true lamb is stubborn in a good way and after all is said and done in our eyes and how it truly is, Mariah Carey is the one. The best. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 2:12)

Re: I'm going to reply (57,403) (57,407) by ADAM from USA Thank you so much for sharing your insight and not backing down from your opinion. I too feel the same way about Mariah's performing abilities. While I am a long time fan of hers, I believe she does a lot of smoke and mirrors when performing live that are no illusions to fans like us in the know. Please don't let some of the blinded fans of here dissuade you from sharing your views about MC. Just because fans express the truth or unflattering things about our favorite singer does not make us haters. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 1:25)

Re: Is it the right time? (57,385) (57,406) by May from Denmark I also think Patti is wonderful and totally agree with the voice comment, I love Patti's tone. Never really knew Aretha feared her but who could blame her, Patti has an amazing attitude and stage presence. Guess all have an opposite. I still was talking in general but thanks for the info. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 1:15)

Re: B*tchy PTA mom (57,397) (57,405) by Lee TS from USA When I read that part the first thing I thought was Mean Moms. I think she's secretly using this role to audition for the movie haha. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 1:15)

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