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You have forgotten your Lamb Bible, Randy! (57,440) by Andrew from UK Hah Randy, you have forgotten yourself. I hate to quote scripture to you but: "And lo, Mariah doth have a right to lip-synceth, such is the word." (Lamb Bible, Book of Nonsense, Verse 3.) Furthermore, "Thou shalt pay thy hard-earned monies to go to listen to the lip-syncage, and none shalt question, or be they labelled a hater for all eternity." (Lamb Bible, Book of Mime, Verse 2.) Love the fact you are honest. It doesn't mean you don't love, it just means you love truthfully. I would buy you a beer if you weren't so far away. Ax. (Wednesday 21 October 2015; 13:51)

Re: I'm a broken record for live audio debates (57,434) (57,439) by Bino from Randy, you sound like a broken record indeed. So you are, in your own words, disgusted, infuriated, mortified by Mariah. Such strong words. What else is left to say? I suppose it's time for you to accept that Mariah's early 90s voice will never come back. You keep harping on old performances and talk about how bad they were. When will it end? We get it. Move on. (Wednesday 21 October 2015; 12:45)

Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,382) (57,438) by darrian liu from taiwan My theory is simply that her voice was overworked. We all know how she records her songs, doing takes until she felt that it was perfect. Try singing after a world tour full of difficult songs where you add your own higher belts and lower notes and intricate melismas and then recording an album where you have vocal slayers in it like Outside, Butterfly, etc. After her divorce, she drank a lot and hung around smokers which are detrimental to her voice. But personally, there are little flaws in the Daydream era technically in her voice. Her belts have less of that chesty power from her debut, which means her mix is more balanced, her placement is almost always on point (there was like very few misplaced notes, one of them in the E5 in I Don't Wanna Cry Tokyo Dome performance), her lows are solid and she improved her placement around C3. However she did start using the whispers. It could be one of the factor to her voice's decline. It is not recommended for people with nodules to sing airily like that. That could cause her nodules to thicken as it irritates the cords. Alcohol dries the voice and makes it harder to warm up. Technique wise, in 1997 it was intact. I think she knows that her voice has changed, that's probably why in 1997 when she belted, she would hold the mic so far away when in fact her voice is light as she is a light lyric coloratura soprano. In 1998 Divas Live, her voice was fine. Amazing lows and resonant well placed belts. The one in Chain of Fools were amazing. Keep in mind that in that show, Mariah's voice was the lightest. She strained in the last performancesas her voice can't be heard with the sheer voice of Aretha and others. Rainbow vocals happened because of lack of vocal discipline, in some recordings her voice sounded like she didn't warm up. 2003 had amazing vocals but her insecurity already implanted itself because I think she felt like her voice was waning. That would explain the wall of backing vocals in TTR. She did back out from Aretha's "help me lift it" out of respect, but she also knew that her lighter voice would be swallowed by Aretha'a big voice. Aretha's a Dramatic Soprano (if I'm not mistaken) and that's way bigger than a Light Lyric Coloratura Soprano. Mariah can resonate to a grand volume but no matter how good sheis, she would never be able to sound bigger than a Spinto or Dramatic Soprano with an equally good technique. That's already inborn, you can't change it artificially. (Wednesday 21 October 2015; 12:39)

Re: I'm going to reply (57,431) (57,437) by Bino from It's funny that you find B rude and not Randy's post (the eternal sarcastic Mariah-can't-sing-and-hence-he's-mortified comment). You don't find that rude to Mariah and her fans? (Wednesday 21 October 2015; 8:55)

Songwriter collab (57,435) by Jonathan from United States We are always talking about who we want MC to duet with but what about writing? I really think if she were to work with these artists her sound would be very fresh (might even score a hit) and some are here just be because they are legendary songwriters: Ed Sheeran James Bay Gavin DeGraw Harry Styles Alicia Keys Miguel Mary J. Blige Emeli Sande Sam Smith Adele Ryan Tedder Chris Martin Paul McCartney Maxwell John Legend Kelly Clarkson J. Cole Kendrick Lamar Jessie J Florence Welch Nick Jonas India Arie Erykah Badu Janelle Monae R. Kelly P.nk Toni Braxton Aretha Franklin Stevie Wonder Kid Harpoon (Tom Hull) Years & Years Sam Hunt Tori Kelly Jamie Scott Jack Antonoff Greg Kurstin John Hill Ester Dean Max Martin Bruno Mars Benny Blanco Jake Gosling (Wednesday 21 October 2015; 5:21)

I'm a broken record for live audio debates (57,434) by Randy from USA I thank everyone for their comments: good, bad and indifferent. I also thank the webmaster for posting my last message in its entirety. I read this board often and pay attention what people say. I have emailed a few of you back and forth and we've discussed how people on this board turn any criticism of MC turns into the criticizer being a hater. A lot of you don't understand how MCs music helps me through life. When I am feeling alone, I listen to Right To Dream, the saddest song ever written about having hope. When I am feeling devastated, I listen to Languishing, and wonder who is really there for me. When I'm feeling different, I listen to Outside. My All is one of the best love songs ever recorded. To me there is more emotion in that final hook than in Whitney's IWALY, Toni's UMH and Celine's MHWGO combined. I think lyrically MC is up there with Jewel, Sarah Mc, Lauryn Hill and other introspective songwriters. She deserves a lot of respect. But all the number ones in the world though can not make one a performer. So you all are ok with people saying, she's a studio singer? All the excuses in the world, divorces, nodules, sensitivity of voice, earpieces does not negate fact. When MCs voice changed and I heard her in 98, I figured that was her new sound and I went with it. So did she. Notice the full voice belts on SH, ISB, and WYB were lower and she sung all of them without lip syncing, live. But beginning with Rainbow she would struggle through the verses and then magically belt the high parts sounding exactly like the records. Was I the only one disgusted in 2003 when MC released one of the best songs of her career TTR, with no background vocals on the record, but whenever she performed it live there was a wall of background vocalists? Check out her AMA, Oprah, MTV performances. I paid to see her in Columbia MD in 2003 during the Charmbracelet show and she lip synced most of it. Who sings songs on record that can't be sung live? It infuriates me so much because I feel like I am the only fan looking behind the curtain at the Wizard of Oz and then I get beat up for doing so. MC will get millions of dollars to perform NYE. I can guarantee a lot of it will be lip synced. Where is that right for the best vocalist in the world? I have nothing but love for MC and could care less about the ensembles, the diva antics and other things most of you criticize as long as she walks on stage and kills it without lip syncing. She hasn't done that in awhile and gets a free pass. No wait a multi million dollar pass. (Wednesday 21 October 2015; 2:10)

Re: I'm going to reply (57,431) (57,433) by Giovanni from USA I'm pretty sure Mariah would appreciate B's respect, admiration and love. Not to mention all the countless times he has defended her. He's what I call a true fan. Randy is so annoying always posting about Mariah's vocal decline. "Her voice isn't the same." "It's changed." "She can't sing as good." "She doesn't show off on the stage like others do." Blah blah blah. We get it. (Wednesday 21 October 2015; 1:44)

Re: My Mimi L. moment (57,429) (57,432) by May from Denmark Haha Luke, I know I would at least. If I were Mariah I would also burn all jeans on sight. Casual, what's that? She can wear whatever she wants, granted, she goes up and down from her car. Does she ever walk 10 blocks? Haha. If only one could have such life, aaah. This is how you get down from the car in the mornings, couldn't be any more glam. So beautiful. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 21:47)

Re: I'm going to reply (57,421) (57,431) by Marcus from Brazil B, for an "almost too gay to function guy", you tend to be too rude to some people. You were being rude to Randy for expressing his opinion. You also tend to be catty when nobody's coming to snatch your weave. Chill, B, chill. It ain't that deep. There is a clear difference between expressing an opinion and being self-righteous. I now understand why people think lambs are paranoid and argumentative all the time. Like that lamb in Italy who killed his girlfriend because she said one of Mariah's breasts was bigger than the other. I'm pretty sure Mariah wouldn't condone that. Mariah loves everybody, and if she knew you were trying to snatch Randy's weave when he's clearly bald, she would be mad at you. We shoud love everybody. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 21:20)

Article: Mariah Carey celebrates both Halloween and Christmas (57,430) by Kim from Philippines Starlet? This articles needs to be re-written. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 17:22)

Re: My Mimi L. moment (57,426) (57,429) by Luke from United Kingdom Wouldn't you wear a cascade of diamonds all the time if you had them? Haha. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 17:12)

Re: My Mimi L. moment (57,426) (57,427) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Lol I should start a MCA mini series called "If I didn't know, I could have sworn". But seriously though Lee, the pic you posted, I could have sworn it was straight out of 2013 as well. I had to read the caption to understand it's recent. This is another picture that looks very 2013 to me. Flawless face. Also check out this adorable picture. So cute. Did you see the picture of her and Santa in the carriage? That's another cute woman. This woman is setting things up for a comeback. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 16:15)

My Mimi L. moment (57,426) by Lee TS from USA If I didn't know I could've sworn this was taken during her interviews in 2013 about The Art Of Letting Go. Ageless queen. Slay. Just for laughs haha. And I still don't get why she keeps wearing that necklace. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 15:45)

This gonna be me the whole month of December (57,425) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End This clip made my day. The whip and nae nae meme was getting pretty old but this is a really creative oddball use incorporating AIWFCIY. These things make me laugh. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 15:36)

Re: Baby Divas Live 1998 (57,424) by Lee TS from USA You gotta be kidding me Baby. Aretha being generous for having her song split apart? I don't know about you but to me that's the ultimate R.E.S.P.E.C.T. to have her fellow divas sing her praises. Letting her song be the grand finale and to close the show, like what more do you want? I don't get the whole Celine bashing thing going on, but what she did was fun and a moment. Aretha even invited Mariah to sing in the beginning but I guess she felt more comfortable in the background being the doo wop pop chick. Who knows maybe Celine caught the holy ghost at the moment since Aretha insisted on bringing church to the house. Can you blame the woman for being spiritual? Anyway, there will never be another Divas Live like a '98 Divas Live, that is until Mariah gets honored. Her hair will be even bigger then. Now amen to that. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 15:32)

Re: No MAS: Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,387) (57,423) by B from USA I love her performance at Diva's Live 98. Unlike the Canadian [censored] she let Aretha have the spotlight. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 15:13)

Re: (57,388) (57,422) by B from USA I listened to your podcast about MIAMTEC. Looking forward to it. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 15:09)

Re: I'm going to reply (57,403) (57,421) by B from USA Randy, if I had a dollar for every time I read a post by you about this subject I'd be rich. We get it, when you're with your black gay men friends on the East coast you're ashamed of Mariah because she can't sing. She depends on smoke and mirrors and lost her voice in 96. I'm so ready for this debate or whatever to end but somehow we keep circling back to it. I love Mariah's voice, always have, always will. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 15:07)

Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,404) (57,420) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End May, the point is, it was Natural Woman. That's one of Aretha's signature songs aside from Respect (sip that tea). Full stop. Period. She could have refused to share the billing for that song entirely and no one could blame her. So, having all of the divas and Carole King join in was frankly rather generous of Aretha. You miss the point entirely if you don't get that. Like I doubt very much Celine Dion would have split her My Heart Will Go On Baby in the same way that night. Mariah gets it. She always gets it. Hopefully Celine learned along the way because even though I know it wasn't malicious, it made her look like an attention hog for no apparent reason going up against Aretha so aggressively. My 2¢. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 13:25)

Re: Mariah is bad influence (57,381) (57,419) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End May, your story cracks me up because it reminds me of similar situations with my little brother, who I practically raised from infancy. See, I have been a Lamb all his life and when the Glitter soundtrack came out I remember taking him on picnics to the park and playing the album. It got to the point where he'd be singing Loverboy at the top of his lungs trying to imitate me imitating Mariah. I even recorded him but I don't know where that tape went. He was so earnest about it too, so I just let him because I didn't wanna make it a big to-do by forbidding him from repeating innuendo he wasn't able to decipher being a mere 5-year old, when clearly he was enjoying himself. I'm pretty sure we aren't unique in this fandom or any other where reacy lyrics or suggestive dance moves are concerned. This is especially true where R&B artists are concerned. It's part of the genre history. All of this was to say, my little brother is doing well today, studying engineering at university, so it's all good. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 12:43)

Re: Randy (57,409) (57,418) by Bino from Great post, Nikki. Didn't know most of these things, thanks for this. I'm afraid some will find these reasons as another excuse. But this post and Randy's last post only show that we can express our views and knowledge without unnecessary condescending tone. Randy's last post is different from the previous one, which probably meant he got the point. That is that we can criticise Mariah all we want, express our frustrations, and say negative things about her, but still in a decent way (this is a fan club, after all), i.e., without mockery and air of superiority. Otherwise, expect a negative reaction, especially from Baby. So, Randy, you think Mariah's Diva's Live performance was horrendous (you were mortified you said). Tell us why. In my opinion, aside from the fact that her voice had drastically changed that time, she would have not been able to "stand up next to them" because her voice is not as "powerful"; she is a lyric coloratura soprano (please correct me if I'm wrong), which means her voice is very agile and light, which means she would still have sounded less "full" and "loud", even though her voice was not strained, compared with the big-voice Aretha and Celine. Just my thoughts. Not an expert. It will be lovely to have a nice discussion. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 11:35)

Re: VH1 Divas Live 1998 (57,404) (57,417) by Bino from Hi May. We're cool. Except for the video, my post was in response to Randy's post. Cheers. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 11:01)

Re: Randy (57,409) (57,416) by Musti from UK That was a great post. What I truly cannot stand with some fans is the feeling that Mariah needs to apologise for her changing voice or retire. Or endless comparisons to other singers. There's really no point in trying to understand what happened to her voice, other than doing everything she can to preserve it. It is what it is. The resentful attitude towards her like she's done something wrong is so tired. When Maria Callas lost her voice in the late 50s her die hard fans stuck with her while others went for the lesser Joan Sutherland. After her death her incomparable talent was recognised once again but Callas still died alone and unhappy. Mariah is no Callas (tbt), nor has her voice changed drastically like Callas. Some singers simply have more fragile voices than others. With her singing technique it's a miracle she can still pull off half the tricks she used to. As Nikki pointed out she had health problems and she was depressed during that period. If you think that's bull then you really have no idea what you're talking about (read Callas). I have been closely studying diva voices for almost two decades now. Opera, jazz, soul, pop, you name it. She's human. Simple biology. On top of all that she has been relying on an unparalleled extension into the whistle register way beyond her natural voice throughout her life. Just because she could do it in a finger snap in 1990 doesn't mean she forever will or that she won't have off days. She had them even back then. Take it or leave it. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 10:19)

Thank you Mariah Carey (57,415) by Pau from Mexico Hello everyone, this is my first post in MC Archives. I became part of the lambily a few months ago when I listened to MC's music for the first time in May. I'm from Mexico, 25 years old, second language is English, and I have listened to music from English speaking countries since forever. I must confess I cannot believe I grew up ignoring a living legend and I wonder why Sony never promoted an amazing artist as her in Mexico, because we do listen to American music. I could write a huge list with dozens of artists that are well known here, and even have done concerts in Mexico. Just focusing on the main top pop acts: in less than a month Sam Smith and Ariana Grande came to Mexico City and Beyonce, Katy Perry, Madonna, Lady Gaga (to keep the list short) came in 2014 - Madonna comes back in January, though. Mexico is well know as the "door to Latin-American music market" and its own 120 million people market is not bad either. So, why has she never looked at Mexico as a potential market? Especially in the 90s when she was in her 20s. In Latin America she's never visited another country besides Brazil for a promotional tour more than once. She came to Mexico for Charmbracelet and went to Argentina for Rainbow but it was for a day or two, so could you really count those? What about concerts? Just in Brazil and every 10 years. As a new lamb, it is very disappointing to realize she is not appreciated in the latin world, not even in Christmas time. MC is known just for her relation with Luis Miguel, and maybe a couple of songs like Without You and WBT, maybe TMB. Last week I found a parody on Youtube from one Mexican TV show (very important one), the parody is from a bad experience with her when they interviewed her in Rainbow era. MC was rude, purposely "falling asleep" in the middle of the interview, and answering with mono syllables - of course I don't judge her for one interview from more than 15 years ago knowing that era was very exhausting for her, but every time they mention her (if they ever), there will be a reference of "Mariah Scary" as they started calling her. (Yes the interviewer is still on the program.) During the last months I changed my normal readings (politics, social sciences, history) for MC material. I committed to my research (lol) and I read hundreds of articles, watched her music videos, interviews, tours, TV specials, speeches, and any material that is available on the Internet. I even read a high amount of the articles from 1990 until 2015 on this website. With my research I did my best to catch up for the last 25 years and I must say that I am so impressed by her. The only thing that kept me reading and looking for more was her. She is the first singer I admire and in order to understand her legacy I had to study more about the music industry, which has never attracted me before. Now I cannot stop reading about music, its industry, its development and its business model, oh. And I can't stop listening to all the incredible singers I'm discovering every day. I really have to thank her for that because for the first time of my life I'm enjoying the music because I now understand its beautifulness and its important cultural value. Also, I am always looking up to strong, independent and successful women like her. To me, as ambitious as I am, it was amazing to have found this new role model as Mariah Carey. I find her so interesting and inspirational. Actually, I decided to use MC as a role model for young girls in my NGO along with the rest of the profiles from different industries I have chosen. Mariah Carey is definitely a role model and has a story worth telling and to look up to for all women. I also find very interesting the comparison between her and Beyonce, two of the most succesful American female artist of the last decades, one from the 90s and other from the 2000s, their backgrounds naturally determined their personalities and professional decisions, but the generation difference (Gen X vs Gen Y) is worth writing an article just for fun because the mark these amazing women are leaving are very different. Sometimes when I read the messageboard I'm happy to find out new things about MC from interviews that are not available on the internet, so thank you to all of you, Lambily, for those interesting contributions. I'm sorry for the length of this message, but I really want to be part of this community and I thought for my first comment it wouldn't be that bad. Saludos a todos desde México. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 8:10)

Article: My "Auld Lang Syne" will cost you millions (57,413) by Lee TS from USA A little late but go head girl, get your coins together. I'm sure Nick will be doing his DJ gig on NYE. Did I do that? Oops. Lol no but know you're worth Mariah. And tell Packer to get behind the Mean Moms project and have you added as the 4th mom. Jennifer Aniston, Sandra Bullock, Cameron Diaz, and Mariah Carey. How perfect haha. Mariah's an A-list actress didn't you know? I thought she told you. (Tuesday 20 October 2015; 8:10)

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