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Mimi L. (49,765) by Marissa from USA Your avatar is fire. I almost changed mine to that one the other day, but I got distracted. I guess if you snooze, you lose lol. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 20:22)

Re: jaker20 Mariah's catalog (49,764) by Warrior Butterfly from USA Elton John can't sing his 1970s up register anymore however he has modified his work to fit his lower tone and still can deliver a great rendition of "Bennie and the Jets" for example along with many other tracks. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 19:57)

Mariah's latest tweet / Bobbi Kristina (49,763) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End "My thoughts and prayers continue to be with Bobbi Kristina. Sending love and support to the family. God Bless." She's still alive and hopefully the rumours of her progress are 100% true. Stay positive in your prayers and in your own lives. Miracles happen every day if you let them. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 19:49)

The "r" word (49,762) by Marissa from USA I think anyone who has proposed retirement has done that just because the way things are looking, people are losing faith that MC will ever pull it together. A fan's two biggest fears are their favorites either retiring or dying, so I understand the outrage. At the same time, I urge you to see that most of the people with retirement proposals aren't saying that to be mean spirited. It is just extremely hard to watch someone as gifted as Mariah continue to fall from grace. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 19:46)

Still enjoying her downfall? (49,761) by Edward from USA At what point should people wake up and smell the coffee? This is way more serious than what some "bubbled lambs" want to make it out to be. I don't want Mariah to retire, but I don't blame any lamb for wanting her to do so, because I know they're doing it out of love. It is like some fans enjoy when Mariah put herself through all these embarrassments, and then call themselves super lambs. This is not a simple case of a bad performance, this stew has been in the pressure cooker for years, and now we see the consequences when the lid has been removed. The Emancipation Of Mimi was a great album, and Mariah was out there promoting her ass off, but we didn't have smart phones to document and almost instantly broadcast her every move on YouTube and social media. She got away with lipping her way through almost the entire TEOM era. The news fly fresh from the hands of concert goers, people don't have to wait. Even if Mariah came out with a super hit album, she's going to have to "really" deliver. All the supposed resting she has to do to sing one single song at a TV show and then fail is ridiculous to me. It hurts to see her go down like this because I consider her as family. Some of us are mad and frustrated because we care, if we didn't we wouldn't bother. People probably would have a little bit more sympathy for her if she were to at least say something. I hope she's been watching. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 18:34)

Random thought (49,760) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter So I am happy to see Missy Elliot come back with a bang. Performing at the Super Bowl really got her back on the map. She was a legend back in the day but in the middle kind of disappeared (or I lost track of her). But now she is back and people are going crazy over her. Apparently some of her songs are on the top 10 of iTunes now. I think the super bowl introduced her to a whole new audience and also got her back in the heads of people who already knew her. I so wish MC comes back with a bang. She should do shows which are viewed by a lot of people so that new the younger generation get curious enough to go through her back catalogue. Another random thought, I wonder why MC doesn't team up with hip cosmetics companies and collaborate with them on a line. Yes I know some fans don't like her selling products, but it could be fun and especially if she teams up with MAC which is extremely popular with people from all age groups, she can also get more people to recognize her. Then come on why is Mariah not on Vogue? Like even in her prime days. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 18:30)

Mimi L (49,759) by Dove from USA Thank you. I like your posts too. When you said the thing about being selfish, I thought it was a jab, like saying we want to work her to the bone for our own selfish reasons. Thank you for clearing that up. I know I keep repeating myself but I want to put it out there again that I'll support Mariah in whatever she decides to do. Even though I only know her through her music and interviews, the person is more important and valuable than the artist and entertainer. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 18:13)

Change of setlist (49,758) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia I agree with certain fans on this messageboard that recommended Mariah to ignore her belting hits songs (WBT, Hero, VOL etc) and just focus on changing her setlist that compliment her current vocals. The Lullaby Of Birdland is just perfect song for her current vocals. I list down Mariah's original songs that does not involved belting and much more suitable for her now: 1. Close My Eyes (she loves this song) 2. Petals (she loves this as well) 3. Looking In 4. Right To Dream 5. Underneath The Stars (just ignore the belting adlibs) 6. Love Story (acoustic) 7. Thirsty 8. Beautiful 9. I Know What You Want 10. Do You Know Where You're Going To If she performed those above songs, fans and new would go crazy over her all over again. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 17:58)

Shelly (49,757) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter My post was not directed at you in anyway. I am just writing to clarify it, because I enjoy your posts. I think it's a healthy balance of positivity and reality. I like that you try to see the best in everything but yet acknowledge the bad sides when you see one. This is exactly what I like. My post is directed at people who will only shove down the "MC can do no wrong" thing down everyone else's throats. As for my comment on being "selfish" when I want more of MC, it's just a way of saying that I can never get bored of her. I obviously don't mean to force her to work for the rest of her life. That's sadistic. Anyways, hope that clears it up. I like your opinions, that's the kind of positivity Mariah needs, not the "oh MC you are flawless, anyone who says otherwise will be beheaded" type. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 17:36)

Jamaica Jazz is not just a small concert (49,756) by jaker20 from US Someone tried to brush aside this new scandal. FYI, there's no small concert in this age of social media, YouTube and Twitter. This so-called small news is so bad it was on Yahoo front page the other day, it was trending on Twitter, it's on Billboard.com, Entertainment Tonight, ABC among others. MC is full of fresh TMZ-worthy material lately it looks like she is also gunning for Britney's low point years ago. Not to mention it's all over YouTube and Twitter for your babies and your babies' babies to watch for generations. It's as if MC is starting a new musical history of embarrassments so that it can be put into historical record for future generations to mock. The vocalists of the past didn't destroy their legacy this way. Whitney maybe, but it's annotated with her drug problem. MC has no excuse because in case you don't notice, this has been going on for awhile now, all recorded on video. In fact, she's not finished yet, she is still working so has more lip fails to put into YouTube and pop culture's entertainment. Enough. Just enough. Now you see why some MC's fans want her to retire. Because it's painful to watch. I personally don't want her to retire, but I understand, but I understand why some fans feel this way. And even more painful to accept is that the artist you once adored is on a path to destroy that same legacy you once adored. Remember, MC is not yet retired. Is she putting together a greatest hits of embarrassments? (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 17:31)

Changing her catalog (49,755) by jaker20 from US I can't stress this enough. Retirement is not the answer. MC just needs to change her catalog. Enough with VOL, WTB and Emotion, songs she can't give justice to anymore. She's just destroying her legacy and the legacy of those songs. She should sing more of her breathy songs, mid-tempo and on lower register. Fans will not like it because they want the big songs and cheer until her demise. But new people will say "oh I've not heard that, that's cool". Madonna does that, she takes risks singing unknown songs in her back catalog. MC is also at that stage now where she should be confident singing unrecognizable songs. They may be unrecognizable and unpopular, but she can at least give them justice, expose her songs to new audience, and she will not be destroying her legacy. MC's whistle is still there, her mid-range is also still very strong. It's the upper register that sounds like she choked on popcorn. She then try to improvise and by doing so, people are reminded "yeah she can't sing that note anymore". What if she sings a song she has not sung live, not hard to sing, and then slay it. That's the way to maintain your legacy and gain new fans. Her voice is no longer the same but it's still better than most. Well then sing songs that fit that new voice, and not songs from the last century, like you don't wear clothes when you were 19 years old. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 17:08)

God help he girl (49,754) by Natalia from Argentina To talk about retirement is just offensive. I can't live without a new song from Mariah every year. I need new material to sing every day. I rather choose to do new music instead of Vegas that will increase all the mess/criticism and if she needs money she can invest in something else, and make music just for the art of love. I love "Make it look good song". I hope everything changes for the better soon. God help (the girl ) Mariah. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 16:50)

(49,749) by Adam (49,753) by Dove from USA Seriously Adam, your post gave me chills. It seems like you actually derive pleasure from seeing "karma" get her. And you write about her "pulling the wool over our eyes" as though she's the only entertainer in the industry who uses tricks to put on a good show. Kelly Price is a woman jealous that someone else was more successful than her, plain and simple. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 16:05)

MimiL (49,751) by Dove from USA I'm not sure if your post was partly directed at me or not, but I feel like it was because of the "downfall" line so I will respond. I don't tell people not to write their opinions, people can write whatever they want. If Mariah ever stumbles onto this fan site, maybe it's good for her to read those opinions too. Some comments feel harsh and insensitive to me and I want to counter those comments with my unconditional support of whatever she chooses to do with her life. That's why I write what I write. I don't tell myself and others that Mariah can do wrong, I see it for myself, I just have faith that she can fight through it and pull herself together. Mariah has been in bad situations because she's human. We've all experienced low points in our lives and careers and sometimes we don't cope with them in healthy ways. Usually we don't stay there though, and especially not if someone helps us. I know that when I've gone through tough stuff in my life I really appreciated when people were compassionate and told me "the truth" gently and with love. Like they were on my side. That's what I try to do for others. People are already "giving her the real" on here, the last few days that's mostly what it's been. Even though I do want more music, the reason I think it's a good idea for her to work is not coming from a selfish place in me. If she stopped making music today, I already have enough music from her to last me for the rest of my life. I would like for her to make at least one more album filled with hope, and out of this mess, but if it didn't happen, I would be okay with that too. The reason I want for her to work is because I think she needs it. I honestly don't think she's just doing it for the money. She knows herself and if she decided now wasn't the time for a residency, and she felt it was best for her to take a break for awhile, I would be fully supportive of that as well. I trust that she knows what's best for herself. Her legendary status will not die out. Elvis, Judy Garland, and countless others had sloppy performances at times, but when people look back, they remember and talk about the great performances. I don't believe Mariah will be giving sloppy performances in Vegas. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 15:47)

G.G. (49,750) by Luke from United Kingdom Of course her actions are offensive to some degree but those actions are also mistakes. Something even she is entitled to no matter how much you think she owes you. This doesn't mean she shouldn't learn from those mistakes though. Which we all hope she is. We've all supported her by purchasing her music/tickets and she has shown that she can be on top form like at the Beacon. She is obviously coping with what's happening in her life by working but that's showing in her performances. Unfortunately there isn't a lot we can do about what ever is going on with her and behind the scenes. We can hope she reads this messageboard as there are many people here who give out sound and respectable advice. However, saying she should retire is rude and disrespectful criticism. An artist can't evolve if they do nothing. Thankfully she isn't doing nothing, so let us hope she can sort herself out because ultimately she is the only one who can. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 15:21)

Mariah's karma / Mandy Monroe (49,749) by ADAM from USA Thank you Mandy Monroe for your comments earlier about karma. Your sentiments are my thoughts exactly. As a fan it's what's been frustrating me so long and more as time goes on that she keeps trying to pull the wool over our eyes and it just aint right. I think this period is lower than Glitter ever was and is even more destructive. She's is a embarrassment now. Look at any of the news media who run stories about Mariah now and all the comments are lampooning her. The public is over her lies and feels she needs to come clean. Kelly Price knew Mariah much more closely than anyone of us and she would be privy to all the tips and tricks Mariah did back in the day to conceal her shortcomings. All deeds done in the dark eventually come to light and this is her time. I'm not a debbie-downer but calling it like I see it. Mariah is no different than anyone else pulling a scam over our eyes. Some people on here need to take her off the idolized position she's on and realize its not healthy to view her as Christ. I hope she musters the courage the stop her own downfall and come clean. Time will tell. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 15:16)

Divorcing (49,706) by Nina (49,748) by Warrior Butterfly from USA If memory serves I think there was something similar with Tommy Mottola. She still gives broad answers whenever asked about her marriage to Tommy. I could not find it but I think a videoclip of Mariah being asked about Tommy that is floating around, the interviewer acknowledging that she is under a confidentiality agreement before asking the question. The closest straight forward explanation was with Larry king 2002. At the end of our day Mariah and Nick is really none of our business. If either want to cross the bridge later that is up to them. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 15:02)

The non lambs (49,746) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter People who call out fans who have the "audacity" *sarcasm* to point out any of Mariah's shortcomings really will be the reason of Mariah's downfall. Words cannot describe how much I love this woman, eventhough I never met her, in many ways she has changed my life and helped me in situations where I felt helpless. But I will not stand by and keep telling myself (and others) that Mariah can do no wrong and the only way one can qualify as a fan is accepting that Mariah has no flaws at all. That's silly. This is exactly why MC has been in this situation several times. People not telling her the truth or in Mary's word "giving her the real". MC is an artist with enormous talent, but one has to admit that she can be a mess sometimes. Especially now. While I will never ask her to retire (because I am selfish like that, I want more and more of MC), I would advice her to only take up projects when she can properly deliver on it. Taking up work just for the sake of it and then being a mess infront of the world is not helping her in anyway. There is a saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity" but when someone who is known as The Voice is only in the news because of her bad and messed up performances and vocal conditions, then I am sorry it is very bad publicity. I see some people here are still talking about how all artists lip-sync, such as Beyonce. Um, have you seen Beyonce perform? With her grueling dance routines and the enormous effort put in her stage performance, and the amount of though put in her stage effects and overall show. I think people will gladly forgive her for not singing live. Because one can't jump around like that and still hit all the right notes. But that's not the case for MC. She has been allowed to sing in one place and use the only thing she needed, her voice, to wow the audience. So yes it is a big deal if she lipsyncs, but not when people like Gaga or Britney does it. Those people were never pegged as legendary singers eitherways. I think MC should really look at her performances and see put herself in her fan's position and judge for herself if she is doing the right thing. I understand why she probably doesn't see her bad performances, I sometimes do it, if I write a bad paper, and I know it's bad, I don't feel like going through it again and instead just submit it to get it over with and move on. But my paper is not viewed by the world, MC's performance is. She signed up for it, so now she has to take responsibility. I pray and hope MC realizes this and works on it. Day by day her status as the untouchable legend is deteriorating and if she continues we will be the last generation that looked at her as a legend because others will just know her as a messy performer. MC please don't let your legendary status die out, if not for yourself than do it for your fans. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 13:30)

Offended (49,745) by G.G. from USA People are "offended" by others being critical of Mariah's bad behavior/performances and suggesting retirement, yet they aren't offended by Mariah being consistently late, low budget stage production, lip synching poorly, walking off stage in the middle of a song, and sounding bad when she does sings live. Alrighty then. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 13:18)

Knowing when (49,744) by MimiLamb from Germany I'm actually laughing, some pretend like 90% of the people here still believe everything is fine and dandy, but like Shelly already mentioned that maybe 1% thinks that. There is a difference between knowing and still believing and knowing and not believing. When you think she should retire fine, think that and move on. Enough people including myself still think she has it, so we will stick around. Who are others to tell me I can't feel that way. Time will tell, but I'm tired of reading the same thing over and over again. We got it, we all saw it, and we all know it. Do you think by going around in circles makes it better? Changes what happened? There is just one person that can change something, that is Mariah herself, and we will see if she changed when she starts her Vegas residency. Nobody is forcing anybody to stick around, to go to her Vegas show or buy her music. So if you do want to just don't do it and leave it at that. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 13:16)

The voice (49,743) by B from USA Mariah's voice is fragile. It always has been. Her live performances have always been hit or miss. She's over 40 and strained her voice during the 90's. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 12:56)

Retirement (49,742) by Luke from United Kingdom I find it almost offensive when people keep saying she should retire. I agree she should probably take a break now and focus on Vegas but not retire. As an artist, I'd be pretty annoyed if I was having a bad time and people started saying "Just stop doing what you love and retire." Just because you don't like watching her make mistakes like every other human on the planet, does not mean she should stop doing what she states is her saving grace. Apart from her children, her music might be the only thing from taking her down the path that none of us want to see. Ragardless of the mishaps that have been happening on stage. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 12:48)

Enablers (49,740) by Dove from USA There are very few posts on this site from people who act like nothing is wrong, I would say 1% or less. There are people who haven't lost hope, like myself, but hope is not what's going to bring her down. Other people will not be her downfall because each person is responsible for their own destiny. If anything is toxic, it's your attitude of defeat and doom. I think cowardly is not having hope and instead choose the default, which is failure. Do you really think if Mariah fails this will be the end of her? After 25 years do you truly believe her legacy will be forever tarnished? People look back at the Glitter era and are endeared to her even more for not being perfect. I think it's cruel to tell her to retire when she obviously doesn't want to, or else she would have. Nobody is forcing her to do anything. It's obviously an outlet for her and maybe she needs us right now. I am choosing to be there for her, rain or shine. If she's not good enough for you, don't go see her. I assure you, when the time comes, plenty of people still will. The people who will be at her Vegas shows are the ones who were suppossed to be there. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 12:30)

YouTube (49,739) by Jon from Netherlands If you write Mariah Carey on YouTube the second search result is now "Mariah Carey lip sync fail". To the people that are being "positive": you are helping to destroy one of the best things to ever happen to music. It's not about the best moments of a show. It's about the worst moments of a show. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 11:58)

Mariah's voice (49,738) by juan from Dubai Mimi's voice was never always at the top. Her best days were early 90's, Unplugged, Music Box, Daydream Japan, Charmbracelet, start of TEOM, AMA performance of "I stay in love", last day of the Christmas series. In the early days, she was criticized for not being a regular live singer on tv guestings. And there is even a audio recording of Music Box tour, in LA, where her voice is completely cracked up and can't sing because of colds. So we hope the Vegas will be a fabulous glittery show with some toned-down sets focusing on her legendary voice. (Wednesday 4 February 2015; 10:50)

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