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Ty (47,775) by Michele from USA Ty, I'd meet up with you at the Beacon Theatre, if you wish. That's five people so far. Maximum ticket for purchase is 8. My email is in my message to Mara, if you wish to contact me. (Monday 3 November 2014; 16:15)

Mara (47,774) by Michele from USA Hi, Mara. I live in Bethlehem, about two hours from NYC. I am not a member of Honey B. Fly, so I cannot purchase tickets today. I will next Monday, which is my birthday. I would love to have other lambs to go with, but I need to know soon because we'll be purchasing the tickets together. You can email me directly at monroe0626@yahoo.com (the 0 is a zero, not a letter). I hope to hear from you, Mara. (Monday 3 November 2014; 16:09)

Creative differences (47,772) by B from USA Mariah and Walter had a failing out during the making of Butterfly. Mariah wanted her songs, especially the ballads, to be less over produced. She wanted her music to sound more Urban/R&B and she wanted to work with R&B and Hip-hop producers and artist which she did. Walter disliked the musical direction Mariah was taking and probably told Tommy. He most likely complained that she was deviating from the formula and that she was going to alienate her fan base. Tommy then voiced these concerns and when he did Mariah knew that Walter was behind his concerns, since Mariah had banned Tommy from the studio. Walter spoke about these issues when asked what ended his working relationship with Mariah. Mariah proved she knew what she was doing and Walter was wrong. She created the musical masterpiece that is Butterfly and continued to incorporate her love for Hip-hop and R&B into her music giving her longevity and garnering her Grammy Awards for R&B Album of the Year, R&B Song of the Year and Best Female R&B Vocal Performance. Walter's career stalled just like Celine and the other artist who shunned Hip-hop and R&B? (Monday 3 November 2014; 16:08)

Musical parallels of MC/MJ (47,771) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End Mariah Carey is to Walter Afanasieff what Michael Jackson was and still is to Quincy Jones. It doesn't mean that either producer isn't a valuable part of these legendary artist's life work. But, there is a limit to how much credit they can take for the musical and intellectual properties that are the basis of MC and MJ's successes. At a certain point it starts looking less like professional and artistic pride and more like resentment, rather unnecessarily too, since no one is or has disputed their contributions to the legacies of MC and MJ. Especially not the artists themselves. So the question is: Why do you want a big parade only where Mariah is concerned Walter? I don't even think he gets how annoying it must be for her that he continuously muddies the waters every time he does an interview and their writing partnership comes up. Imagine the conversations he's had in private, in the industry, at parties or wherever. Yet Mariah still has to make sure people know that she writes and produces all of her own songs, every chance she gets, 26 years in the game. Why do you think she does that, for her health? So even though Mariah is probably completely over whatever caused their falling out, she will never work with Walter again. Walter was the one who turned his back on their friendship and partnership. He chose to stick with Tommy. Sorry, but you had your chance. (Monday 3 November 2014; 14:09)

#Beautiful feat Trey Lorenz (47,769) by 123 from USA Did anyone see this clip? I had no idea she sang #Beautiful with Trey. He sounds so good on the song. Mariah, why don't you have Trey sing this song with you? Don't get me wrong, I love I'll Be There, but a change up in the setlist to have Trey sing #Beautiful with you while on tour I think is a great idea. (Monday 3 November 2014; 5:56)

MiTodoChop / Mimi L. (47,768) by 123 from USA You're welcome ladies. MiTodoChop, wasn't the audio awesome? She sang half of Cry live, gave an even better rendition of Lullaby Of Birdland, and revamped I'm That Chick. She has had a lot of good performances, but I'm waiting for the below clip to happen, where she kills it and gives you some effortless belts, which are her bread and butter. I know its coming soon. I also want her to sing a full version of either Can't Let Go or Love Takes Time, but only when she is in good voice. Wish she would have done it on this night. (Monday 3 November 2014; 5:50)

Does this mean that at the moment she isn't planning on touring the US? (47,767) by Emma from United States (Monday 3 November 2014; 4:45)

Mariah and Hip Hop (47,766) by Darryle from USA Des anyone else wonder what Mariah's career would look like if she'd gotten to explore her hip hop influences earlier on in her career? She tried to explore them earlier own but I think Tommy pretty much put a stop to that. She's said that the demo version of VOL is more soulful. It's rumored that she hates the song someday because it's not the version she wanted, the one we have is much more popish. The Bam Jam Soul Remix of Dreamlover is supposedly what the song originally started out. Forgetting all of the songs just think of collaborations. Notorious B.I.G. and Tupac. That's my dream Mariah collab right there. She's even sampled their music. With all of this I don't see how people can want Mariah to stop with the hip hop. Hip Hop is apart of Mariah and always has been. (Monday 3 November 2014; 4:00)

Mariah's impact (47,765) by Darryle from USA I was listening to dedicated today and I decided to check out the sample "Da Mystery of Chessboxin'" by Wu Tang Clan. I was surprised to find out that the song was made in 1993. I think it's amazing that Mariah had already made an impact on Hip Hop culture and just culture itself 3 years into her career. She was seen as this clean cut pop star and yet rough and tough rappers recognized her. I guess you could say this is almost like a lead up to Fantasy Remix. (Monday 3 November 2014; 3:43)

Letting go (47,764) by nikki from usa Mariah let go of Walter, but some fans seem to have problems letting him go. He's in the past, I say leave him there. His fan club will have to let me know if he's done anything spectacular since Celine's Titanic hit. If a good portion of the 90's he was getting undue credit and money from Mariah's work than I don't doubt he wants to work with her again. But, if Mariah states that she's been writing music and lyrics that Walter had been claiming undue rights to, then I believe her. I've read enough commentary from Walter to see he's not any better than Mottola. He takes credit for "his music", but when he talks about it in detail it's clear Mariah is hands-on and decides what the finished product sounds like. I doubt they had a falling out over one single argument, because years of work/friendship aren't undone that easily. It sounds like there's been tension for awhile. Finally, there was the straw that broke the camel's back. There For Me, Never Too Far, After Tonight. I say if we're going to return to A/C bring back David Foster. (Monday 3 November 2014; 3:09)

"Control" is a funny thing (47,763) by nikki from usa I do sometimes wonder if I'm the only one that watches her interviews. When Mariah talks about "creative" control, it's a far cry from what people on this board talk about when using the word "control". From Missy Elliot to Puff Daddy, everyone says the same thing. Mariah basically does everything, she's very adamant about what she wants, and doesn't want to stray too far from her sound. That's the music. It's different from the business end of things. Mariah was given the choice of lead single from EMC2 and she let JD pick it instead. She had 3 songs she liked the most and he chose. After Glitter Mariah talked about her lack of team and having to make the decisions herself. She didn't have anyone to bounce ideas off of. Mariah has a hard on for collabos. You can tell by the way she talks about it and her "process". She could just hire someone to write down music as she sings it, but she doesn't. You'll notice anyone who has ever asked MC to work with them, she has. All in all, it seems Mariah does want to work with others to create something she has in mind. But, she wants a type of business director who will put her on a path, let her take it from there musically, but decide on singles for her after she's brought him her prized collection. Tommy screwed up when he went from director to dictator. (Monday 3 November 2014; 2:52)

Walter (47,762) by Abraham from USA None of us know what really happened between Mariah and Walter. But life is too short to hold grudges. I say it's time to bury the hatchet and make up. I'm not saying Mariah needs him. It just would be nice to have them working together again. But I doubt that would happen. (Monday 3 November 2014; 0:20)

RJJ12 (47,760) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada I appreciate the audio and video you've been posting, thank you. The audio from the concert last week put a smile on my face. (Sunday 2 November 2014; 19:37)

Travon et alia for AYNAF record (47,758) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End TY. But, to be fair, it's not really my own original idea that our Mariah work with Walter and co. again. I just sampled the loop. Although, I do take credit for the writing I did on top of it and the adlibs I layered and weaved to make it, just so. For the Spanglish AYNAF Remix I nominate Brenda K Starr and Cory Rooney. Of course, Benny Medina will manage all the contractual negotiations so Mariah doesn't take advantage of their generosity and forgiving hearts, after all the undeserved attacks MC's made on their characters and reputations, thorough out the years. I can see it now. (Sunday 2 November 2014; 18:08)

The origins of Bianca (47,757) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End Is this where Bianca was born, between Mariah exhaling: Okay at Tabitha Soren's personal beef with Cindi Berger of PMK and her first interview with Jamie Theakston? Anyone who buys into the ditzy jokesy-the-clown act MC likes to employ sometimes, for laughs and camouflage, and thinks she doesn't turn it off and on at will, is a vapid idiot. That's why I lol at all the artistic, professional and personal advise people can't wait to put out there on the off chance that they can take credit for any future (innevitable) successes. Never mind how well she has done consistently all her life, just by trusting her own gut and intellect. If you don't know Mariah by now, you probably never will. (Sunday 2 November 2014; 17:32)

These are a few of my favourite things, Trois (47,756) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End Mariah interviews the best out of anybody I have ever seen or heard. She's the most guileless artist, apart from MJ, at any given time and as far as I know doesn't ban any subject from being brought up or asked about. Yet she is always so poised under pressure, time after time, year after year. I am in awe of her ability to be so completely naked even as her heart is being broken while managing to actually keep her head and all of her humanity and refuse to become jaded by random critic's fangs trying to soil her integrity with their dissonant howls and rotten bites. Manny, thanks so much for posting that classic MTV, Tabitha Soren helmed, interview. It's so candid, well informed and simultaneously lighthearted even as Mariah was being the consummate diplomat about what all had been going on. It's why I believe Mariah meant it when she said it wouldn't have taken that much genuine effort from Tommy for her to go back, well, at least at the top and middle of their separation. It must have been a bitter pill to swallow how easy it was for Tommy to immediately concede to Thalia the simplest of things he wouldn't let Mariah have, even after 4 years of marriage. I think that's when she realised the true depths of his deception. I think it's a great and emotionally healthy choice and all that jazz, if Mariah has forgiven Tommy for what he did to her spirit. But I, don't have to. (Sunday 2 November 2014; 16:04)

MC in Bankock (47,755) by Dennis from Miami, FL MC was looking like Regina George in that Santa's little helper suit. (Sunday 2 November 2014; 15:22)

RJJ12 (47,754) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Hey. Thanks a lot. I was searching for this and for some reason I couldn't locate it on YouTube. (Sunday 2 November 2014; 14:46)

Mimi L. / Car Ride (47,753) by 123 from USA Here you go Mimi L. (Sunday 2 November 2014; 11:49)

MC and Walt. A (47,752) by Mike Dawson from USA From Mr. Showbiz August 30, 1997, "Mariah Carey in street fight with producer". New York City pedestrians were witness to an abominable and disheartening scene Saturday as pop star Mariah Carey engaged in a rabid screaming match with her longtime producer, Walter Afanasieff. A source told the New York Daily News that the miniskirted diva cursed loudly at Afanasieff before finally putting an end to the fight by firing him. The reputed reason for the fight was Afanasieff's new gal pal, Samantha Cole, who is making her first record under superproducer David Foster. "I don't understand how someone of Mariah's stature could be envious of someone just coming up," Cole's record-company representative told the paper. Carey's spokesperson, Leslee Dart, denies that Afanasieff was fired, and says that their dispute erupted over creative differences. "He got mad and she got mad," Dart says. "She didn't want the album to sound overproduced. She was protecting what she felt was her creative position on the album." She should have been protecting her voice. We hear that she can curse you out in seven octaves. That's murder on the vocal chords, dear. (Sunday 2 November 2014; 9:52)

My take on the lip-synching issue (47,751) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Yeah, Mariah does lip a few parts here and there. And to me, yeah, even for one of the best vocalists of all time, that's acceptable in reasonable amounts. I hate to bring the age thing again, but singing naturally does get more challenging as you grow older, even more so when you get past 40. For most everyone, singing over 15 songs within 2 hours, even with breaks, exhausts their vocal cords. How much more if those songs are vocally strenuous in nature like Mariah's. Add to that a hectic schedule of having to perform pretty much every other day in different countries. In these circumstances, can we blame her for trying to preserve her voice? And anyone who argues that Mimi should be able to hack it if other people her age can do it can please just take several rows of seats because such thing as personal differences exists. Mariah's voice is very sensitive and has only increasingly become so through the years. I believe the reason why she chooses to lip certain parts that she can definitely hit while singing other more difficult parts is less about laziness or insecurity and more about her just saving her voice for the big finish. Of course she could just sing those parts she lips sans the extra embellishments and intensity (which I personally do when I sing difficult songs), but she's probably just avoiding the exertion of too much effort too early into a song. However, I also agree, though, that she needs to work on faking it more convincingly to avoid constant criticism. (Sunday 2 November 2014; 7:50)

Ty / post to Andrew (47,750) by Abraham from USA Lol, thanks for making me laugh. I completely agree. (Sunday 2 November 2014; 4:24)

The Elusive Chanteuse Tour Asian start (47,749) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines Mariah hasn't toured the world as extensively as other artists, but the several times she did was enough for her to distinguish each fanbase by their special characteristics. Every fanbase is cool, but Asian fans have always been enduringly loyal in nature, and they always go out of their way to create special, expensive souvenirs to give the artists who visit their countries; and with Mariah especially, that's times ten. Maybe that's the reason why she chose the continent to be the first leg of her tour. She knows she hasn't toured in a while, and that it would take some time for her to warm up vocally and confidence-wise. She knew that the oriental fans' more-supportive-less-critical nature would cushion the backlash should she get off to a rocky start, which she did. Of course there's still been some negative press locally in Asia, but I feel the same issue would've been magnified 100x had she chosen to start in the US or UK and mess up there. I mean, if negative word still got out even while she was halfway around the globe, imagine how much devastating the uproar would've been if she disappointed at let's say, the Nokia Theatre. If theory is true, then it's quite a smart move for her to make. She'll be all ready when she decides to take on shows in the west or record her next album, like how the Charmbracelet Tour helped create TEOM. Brace yourselves lambs. I may be relying too much on history repeating itself here but I really feel something massive is in the horizon. (Sunday 2 November 2014; 3:55)

[...] (47,748) by Ty from USA Dear Andrew, your post are old, tired and boring, you are [...]. We have moved past not having videos and lipping. [...] (Sunday 2 November 2014; 3:13)

Beacon Christmas shows (47,747) by Ty from USA I'm sincerely hoping Mariah [...] sings [...] at Christmas time. This song is her truely heartbreaking moment. Any [...] in NYC want to get together before the show, let me know, let's have a festive lamb moment. To the lang going in on Mariah being addicted to lipping: you seriously need to get a life. [...] (Sunday 2 November 2014; 3:12)

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