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Mariah needs a different, heavy and special song to fix her voice (38,974) by Wonwon from Indonesia "#Beautiful" is a nice easy listening song. But that's all. It's too light for Carey. Mariah need something more heavy and different to be #1. It is her standard. My point is, looking back for Mariah hits, since day one, "Vision of love". It's an unusual ballad for everybody at that time. Connected with people but unusual. Also "Emotions". Then, "Can't let go" is a nice song, deep and very sweet. But also too light for Mariah Carey. The same case with "Forever", "So blessed" (with the same pattern as "Forever", an "Unchained melody" type of song). Then again "Against all odds" (more troubled with Westlife) or "Can't take that away". The more fresh case is "Bye bye", "I want to know what love is", "Angels cry", or "Through the rain". This time of very pop sound doesn't fit with Carey standard and voice. Too predictable, if you know what I mean. I like to hear "Bye bye" the first time, but it's not deep. I remember Roxette at that time. I don't know, I just feel it. And then the Memoirs album. "H.a.t.e.u." Really really, it's too sweet for Mariah Carey. Compare it to "We belong together". It's an unique ballad. I mean, my head can't find the same pattern song with "We belong together". Also with "My all", "Vision of love", "Love takes time", even "Don't forget about us", "Without you". It's very easy listening. It's not to a number #1 in US, but very big outside the US. Because the US market is a hard market. Mariah never had a #1 single with an usual pattern of song. Not even "Hero". (Sunday 11 August 2013; 15:11)

Vote, please (38,973) by Darek from Poland What's the best song of the summer of the past 10 years? (Sunday 11 August 2013; 12:56)

Edward (38,972) by KeShawn Taylor from United States Edward, sorry for the confusion. I'm not saying by any means that Mariah should resort to using techno/dance incorporated her music. I was just referring to the fact that with many other high profile female artists returning this year, Mariah has to make sure she brings her absolute A-game to the table to reclaim her throne. Which I believe she is well on her way to doing. But with both Katy Perry and Lady Gaga launching their new singles this month, it's time to revamp. (Sunday 11 August 2013; 4:35)

Meriweather / Stephen (38,971) by Licia from USA I almost died when they switched from The One to Boy I Need You. I like Boy, but The One is a better song. Even the remix kills the Boy remix in my opinion (that Goodbye Love sample by Guy totally pooped all over anything she tried to remix on Boy). The One had so much more potential. I was one ticked off lamb watching the making of the video that day. I could have kicked the dang tv. Can you tell that The One is one of my favorite songs from CB? Lol. (Sunday 11 August 2013; 2:17)

Triumphant (38,970) by George Golden from UK I just listened to "Triumphant Pulse Remix" and I almost shed a tear. Why was that remix not the original? Mariah would have had another number one with that one. Why is this era so shaky? All other artists are aiming for her crown and yet she has stalled. Mariah, please get it together. No one wants to listen to you singing with rappers anymore. It's so tired. Re-invent yourself, your looks, your sound, we need something fresh. Rnb is great because it can have any type of vibe, retro, uptempo dance, acoustic. It just can be anything. (Saturday 10 August 2013; 13:53)

Meriwether86 (38,969) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom You make some really good points. I didn't actually think of it in those tems, but I agree. I think The One was a great song, but at that time nobody wanted Mariah to succeed, so no matter how good a song was, she couldn't buy a hit back then. I don't think it would've been a hit, unless it was E=MC2 to TEOM. (Saturday 10 August 2013; 13:14)

Ariana Grande (38,968) by Jenny from South Africa I turned on the radio for my favourite local station and I heard one of the djs saying he thinks Ariana is just a Mariah wannabe. It made me smile. And he's unbiased when it comes to Mariah. He's not a major fan or a hater. (Saturday 10 August 2013; 12:33)

Edward / Keshawn (38,967) by Randy from USA Edward, it's the video version that everyone has heard. It is different from the album version. Keshawn, you just scared the s*it out of me. What if MC decides to try to hit #1 by recording one of those pop/electric/dance songs that are popular now? Eww, I hate them. (Saturday 10 August 2013; 9:20)

Randy / Someday (38,966) by Jay from USA Are you speaking of the New Jackswing version of Someday? (Saturday 10 August 2013; 0:12)

Singles that should've been #1 (38,965) by KeShawn Taylor from United States As for singles, I was shocked that did not reach #1 in the US, the first one definitely being "Without You". It was such a huge hit and I believe set the standard of what a pop ballad should sound like when it is a remake. "When You Believe" with Whitney I also expected to be more successful than it was. While it was a huge success worldwide for both women, it did not compare to either of their greatest hits as solo artists, though Whitney's popularity had declined as well as her public image at the time of its release. I won't even get into the singles released from Butterfly and Rainbow; those singles suffered tremendously from the lack of support from her label, especially instant classics like "Breakdown", "The Roof", and "Can't Take That Away". I did expect "Bye Bye" to at least crack the top 10, as did I for "I'll Be Lovin' U Long Time", which I thought would definitely be the song of the summer of 2008. All of the singles from Memoirs definitely did not lead up to my expectations for them. More specifically, I definitely believe that "Obsessed", which was all over radio that summer, and "I Want to Know What Love Is", would've been sure fire #1 singles for MC. Due to lack of promotion and the music business gearing more towards a pop/techno phase at this time, these singles had little to any chance of making a sufficient impact on the charts. (Friday 9 August 2013; 17:45)

Should've been #1/singles (38,964) by KeShawn Taylor from United States This is a very interesting topic that I often find myself trying to find battling in my mind. Before I get to singles that should've been #1, how about songs that should've been singles? For her first three albums, I actually agree with single selection, though I would've loved to see "Til The End of Time" or "All I've Ever Wanted" be released as singles. The fact that "Underneath the Stars" and "Forever" never got commercial releases disappoints me. On airplay alone, "Forever" was charting strongly. These two would've definitely been hit records for Mariah. The same to be said for "Butterfly", "The Roof", and "Breakdown". "Breakdown" is undeniably the greatest Mariah Carey single to never get commercial release. There's no denying that at the peak of her crossover reign this song would've been a huge hit. It also baffles me the limited release given to "Can't Take That Away". Still to this day, I see this as one of her top three inspirational ballads. I also believe that "Against All Odds" should've been released in the United States. This is arguable Mariah's greatest remake. "Lead The Way" from Glitter is classic Mariah, and if promoted properly could've definitely provided assisting the backlash that Glitter was receiving. E=MC2 as a whole just didn't release proper singles. Why "Migrate", "Side Effects", "I'm That Chick", "Love Story", and "For The Record" were not singles is insane. These were records crying for radio airplay. Also, "Ribbon" and "Inseparable". (Friday 9 August 2013; 17:39)

New album launch (38,963) by KeShawn Taylor from United States There have been so many interesting topics going on as of late on the message board. The main one being geared towards anticipation for the new album. With "#Beautiful" now officially platinum, time has come for a follow up. However, with Mariah still being injured, I can't lie and say that waiting until a full recovery would be a bad thing so that the single may be properly promoted. I'm thinking that the new single, whatever it is, will probably be dropped following the release of The Butler next week. Whether or not this new single features Wale, I'm not sure. But he did say to expect a release from the two very soon. In regards to the track listing, I really am quite fond of it. Several of these tracks are ones that have held several discussion of production. I do agree that this also be a fraud listing, like the one that leaked for MOAIA two months before it was released. I would love for the new album to drop in November. Promotion wise, I feel like if a second single is dropped by the end of the month, that gives enough time for steadfast promotion and the launch of her tour in October. November also marks the launch of a lot of other top female artist releasing works including Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, and Jennifer Lopez. Britney Spears, Nicki Minaj, and Rihanna are all also expected to have releases towards the end of the year. While summer would've been easy domination for Mariah, fall will prove to be a competitive season. Here's to Mariah once again returning to #1. (Friday 9 August 2013; 17:28)

Stephen / other thoughts (38,962) by clueey23 from USA I think she still understands on a global scale. The last album "Memoirs" had "I Wanna Know What Love Is", which I feel shouldn't have been released in the USA as a single, but to an international market as a single. I enjoyed it on the album, yes. I think that song was huge in Brazil. But the video was "bleak". She needs better videos and better promotion for each single. Because what might do well in Europe or Asia or South America may not do well in the US. Another example could be "Boy" and "The One". She could've still released "Boy" to another market outside of the US as a single. But "The One" could've been a hit in America at that time. It actually would've put her right back on track before 'Mimi". (Friday 9 August 2013; 16:50)

Should have been #1 still on going (38,961) by Lainsky from Philippines Let me agree with "Migrate" and add one more unreleased which is "Standing O". (Friday 9 August 2013; 16:15)

Randy / Someday (38,960) by Edward from USA Randy, I haven't heard those versions of "Someday" you talked about. If you are willing to share them with me so I can have my own epiphany , I would really appreciate it: b_terius@yahoo.com. As for Thank God I Found You remix, I agree it was epic, one of my favorites. It is sad Billboard changed its rules. Remixes that sound completly different from the original now chart as different isongs, that's why the #Beautiful remixes are very similar to the original. (Friday 9 August 2013; 15:05)

Mariah is a global star (38,959) by Wonwon from Indonesia Hi all, this is my first message on this site. I think Mariah was very big in Asia, especially in Japan, and yes in Indonesia. Maybe Mariah's song are not as popular as Rihanna's these days, but as I can see, here lots of local singers sound like Mariah. So, the influence Mariah gives to the world is really true. I don't know how Mariah does in other places, outside the US. As I know, Mariah is very big in Brazil now. And sure, people here respect Mariah for her vocal ability. No matter it's Hip Hop or Pop, I love Mariah. So, Brazil, Japan, US, Asian countries, I think it makes Mariah an international megastar. I think Mariah is bigger than Madonna here. (Friday 9 August 2013; 12:17)

Joachim / Meriwhether86 (38,958) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom Joachim, you're right to the extent that Mariah hasn't had as many number 1 singles as the "artists" you mention in Europe. However, she has had hit singles, and constantly makes top 10, over 23 period, unlike the artists you mention. More importantly though, look at Mariah's album sales. They're greater worldwide than in the USA. Daydream sold around 7 million in the US. Where did the 18 million get sold? Meriwhether86, I understand why you were getting defensive, and I agree with most of your post. I'd just ask that you appreciate Mariah has come many territories to sell records because she used to understand the importance of selling on a global sale. In terms of album sales, she's sold s@#t loads worldwide. With that being said, she's not been relevant in the UK music wise since TEOM. She owned the 90s though. (Friday 9 August 2013; 10:04)

Zachary and Edward (38,957) by Randy from USA Zachary, I agree with you about Right To Dream. It's an awful vocal but probably her best lyric ever. Who else could make a sad song about having hope? Genius. Most lambs slept on that one. Edward you broke my heart with Someday. Here's the thing. I hate the album version but the black version. Excuse me, the R&B version is sick. Whenever my 90s playlist comes on and I hear that sick beat intro with the synthesizer/bass, I go off in my car and have to start it over and turn it up. And Touch My Body is genius. The melody in the verses is sick. People are always shocked that I know the words because they go by so fast. Thank God I Found You is a throw away. Non-fans don't know that song. It was driven by lambs buying the single only. It was not played on the radio at all. But the Make It Last remake is epic. That's all. (Friday 9 August 2013; 5:45)

Mariah Carey is America like apple pie (38,956) by clueey23 from USA Mariah Carey is an American treasure. Vocally unmatched in terms of Beyonce, Gaga, Madonna, Rihanna, Katy Perry and many more. Mariah is like apple pie. Whitney Houston was another. And I could care less about a global status. And I also appreciate the fact that she knows what "Without You" did for her career globally. The fact she is big in the biggest market in the world, America, is what matters most. She is most def an Elvis of this generation. Whereas everyone else is still trying to catch up. MC is from NY and didn't move across the pond and pick up a fake accent trying be something she isn't. That's another reason why it's easy for me to accept and respect MC's contribution to music in terms of working with HipHop artists and HipHop producers because she grew up in New York where that genre of music originates from. So it's never a shock to me when she wants to work with rappers or make more R&B records. Her idols are American soul singers ie; Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, Gladys Knight and other American legends. If she wanted to be accepted in the UK or globally to the max, she would've made more "Without You"s. But lets not act like she hasn't reached around the globe either. People on this very board are not in America nor American. So to me she is a global star that doesn't have to put on a costume and be a clown for the public in order to be accepted in the world, unlike countless others. (Friday 9 August 2013; 2:37)

Number one fan (38,955) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway I have allways thought of myself as the number one fan of Mariah Carey in Norway, maybe someone in Norway can counter it. But I have searched the internet for what it's worth, and I think I have have a sollid reason to say what I'm about to say. Compared to Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and Madonna, Mariah has nothing to compare with world number ones. In fact, in the 2000's, there are many artist that have more number ones than Mariah. Search the WIkipedia, Mariah is actually a mediocre star compared to the biggest stars today. Mariah is a global star, but she has never had a golbal hit, besides Withouth You, compared to artists of today. So, instead of constant argue about what artist is the greatest, we all should think of who is the greatest singer. Because, compared to other artists, Mariah is in the top 20. Why should we rembember Mariah? Beause noone could sing like her. But don't be fooled. there are many female artists that is bigger than her. But her voice, no. (Thursday 8 August 2013; 23:57)

Treasure (38,954) by George Golden from UK Am I the only one getting a positive vibe from the album track listing? "Hope street", "Make it look good", etc are sounding promising. The duet with Stevie should be like a dream to listen to, the one one with Kells should be total drama ala "Betcha gon know", which reminds me that song would have been epic like "We belong together" if they had released it lol. It was totally different from anything she had ever done and it even debut just under the Hot 100 without any promo. So many missed chances since her last number one that I can't help but feel like certain "people" do not want her to have another number one. It's fine as long as she comes up with great albums. We get really angry and frustrated at Mariah that we forget what a treasure she has been in our lives, especially mine. Her songs are the soundtrack of my life. God bless you all. (Thursday 8 August 2013; 17:17)

Songs that should've gone to #1 (38,953) by Edward from USA I think the follow songs should've gone to the #1 spot: "Can't Let Go", "Make It Happen", "Endless Love" with Luther, "Without You", "Anytime You Need a Friend", "All I've Ever Wanted", "All I Want for Christmas", "Underneath The Stars", "Forever", "Butterfly", "Whenever You Call", "Shake It Off", "One and Only", "Migrate", "Obsessed". Mariah and Luther were perfect, and the video for the song at one of his concerts was epic, minus Luther's sweat of course, lol. I would replace "Someday", "Thank God I Found You", "Touch My Body" with any song from the former list above anytime. (Thursday 8 August 2013; 16:49)

Should have been # 1 hits (38,952) by Gerald from USA by the way of NYC Like many of you I agree Migrate was the one that got away. I also think CLG was another one that slipped through the cracks. There are other possibilities, but we will never know. (Thursday 8 August 2013; 16:42)

Right to Loving Us Long Time (38,951) by Zachary from Croatia There are two song for which I am really sorry they didn't hit number one spot on Billboard: Right To Dream and I'll Be Loving U Long Time. The first one is an amazing ballad with such a great message but crappy video and awful promotion. Second one had a cheap video which resulted poor chart success. Promotion was ok because she sang it live several time and the performances were really ok. (Thursday 8 August 2013; 15:40)

Without You / Special K (38,950) by Stephen from London, United Kingdom I was gonna say Without You, but it was such a massive hit in Europe, and went to number 1 in the UK, that I decided to leave it out. I'd go as far as to say that Without You is Mariah's biggest hit outside of the US, and is what she is most known for, especially in the UK. I was shocked when I found out that it never made it to number 1 in the US. It's a great rendition of the song. I find you really see Mariah's artistry when she covers a song, because invariably she does a better job, or takes the melody to a different level. She has a great ear, and is a very good interpreter of music. (Thursday 8 August 2013; 11:50)

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