Messageboard

Only registrated members can post messages. Registration is free.
LOG IN REGISTER

AIWFCIY (100,387) by Bobby A from United States
This lawsuit by Andy Stone is so absurd. Mr. Andy claims that MC exploited his popularity and style for a song that he wrote 5 years earlier.
(Sunday 5 June 2022; 02:04)
Re: MC Instagram post (100,383) (100,386) by Bill from the UK
Yes, completely agree. MTV Unplugged is both my favourite album and DVD of Mariah's, and I think I was drawn to it for all the reasons MC mentioned on her post. It was spontaneous, no one had any grand allusions as to what it would become, she sounded amazing and genuinely in her element, I'll Be There was the crest of the wave that was growing throughout the evening, and she seemed so humble and thankful and grateful. It's one of her career highlights to my mind.
(Friday 3 June 2022; 22:01)
Re: Nostradamus on twitter (100,382) (100,385) by TJ from Norway
It is so funny that you asked this question, because I was about to do it myself.
(Friday 3 June 2022; 16:50)
Re: Nostradamus on twitter (100,382) (100,384) by Bobby A from United States
I truly feel something huge is coming this summer.
(Friday 3 June 2022; 03:17)
MC Instagram post (100,383) by Jamie from UK
I loved how humble Mariah sounded on her post about MTV Unplugged on Instagram. She sounded so grateful and reconnected. And was nice for her to acknowledge all the talented people involved in the show.
(Thursday 2 June 2022; 21:04)
Nostradamus on twitter (100,382) by ksquarred from paris
Do you think there's any truth to what they're saying? (That Mariah has first single for MC16 coming on June 17, probably with a female rapper, and second single that should be a power ballad coming on July 1.)
(Thursday 2 June 2022; 17:03)
Re: MC's catalogue (100,374) (100,381) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia
I think Mariah would never sell her music. I believe I read somewhere (either in her memoirs or in interviews) that she said about some company wanted to buy Alone In Love in the 80's to be featured in a movie soundtrack but she refused and said no. The best is to let Mariah's children to to inherit the catalogue and later passed on to their next generation. They don't have to work anymore, just milk the catalogue for movie soundtracks, jingles, remixes etc.
(Thursday 2 June 2022; 01:36)
Re: Why I want another #1 (100,370) (100,380) by Stacey from USA
She's been in control of her image since Butterfly. Exactly. I think Mariah is in a talent league of her own. Master-class proved that one, as if I needed more proof. But MC has always been insecure. I think the "diva, dahling" act is just that: a cover. I'd love to see how she is behind closed doors. I doubt it's anything like what we see in pubic.
(Wednesday 1 June 2022; 03:45)
Underneath the stars (100,379) by Giovanni from USA
I have been listening to "UTS" a lot lately. It's definitely one of Mariah's most underrated songs and one of my favorites from "Daydream". She sounds so dreamy and magical.
(Wednesday 1 June 2022; 02:58)
Re: MC's catalogue (100,374) (100,378) by Giovanni from USA
Hopefully not.That would be insane.
(Wednesday 1 June 2022; 02:53)
Re: MC's catalogue (100,374) (100,377) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa
Never. She's not in this for the money grab, I think she'd go back to doing hair first.
(Wednesday 1 June 2022; 02:42)
Re: Why I want another #1 (100,372) (100,376) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa
I absolutely agree with this entire post. It feels like it is in line with the one I just made as well. Mariah's case is unique in that the mainstream machine that held the standard of expectations to "entertain" the audience was inseparable from her husband. Her rebellion against him, was her rebellion against the mainstream music beast Sony. The Mary J story reminds me of the dilemma of a marriage based in true love vs one of financial convenience.
(Wednesday 1 June 2022; 02:39)
Re: Creative artist over great vocalist (100,371) (100,375) by Matthew from USA
This is a pretty insightful take. I also thinks it's pretty accurate. The fact that she, like Prince, also continued to pursue her artistic interests despite the loss of commercial success also lends credence to the idea that she isn't overly pressed about maintaining the love of the general public. Caution is her most critically acclaimed album and possibly her lowest selling. Questlove said it best when he said that he loves that Mariah stays true to herself and her artistic vision without trying to just copy what is current.

But not copying the current trap sound comes at a cost. The cost is not being as beloved among the general public. It's a price she seems willing to pay. She has dem babies. She has the lambily. And she has the respect of her peers. That's apparently enough, and I say good for her. Madonna took the route of trying to maintain the love and respect of the general public and I'll just say I'm glad Mariah doesn't feel the need to go that route.

I also like how you pointed out that every diva had their diva antics. If nothing else, I feel Mariah has earned hers.
(Wednesday 1 June 2022; 01:38)
MC's catalogue (100,374) by Bobby A from United States
Would she ever sell her catalogue like Justin Timberlake and others have done? JT sold his catalogue for 100 million. MC can receive at least 300 million for 1990-1999 years alone.
(Tuesday 31 May 2022; 21:20)
Re: Why I want another #1 (100,368) (100,373) by Terna from Nigeria
Well written post. I'm so glad Mariah shared that very private message from Leontyne Price with us her fans and the rest of the world. That was one of the highlights in the book for me. Another was the moment with Maureen, who complimented her about her singing voice.
(Tuesday 31 May 2022; 21:04)
Re: Why I want another #1 (100,370) (100,372) by Matthew from USA
I would argue that artists don't make art for the people. When a painter sits before a blank canvas, he doesn't think, what do the people want? That would be pointless because the people are not one hive mind and any rational person knows that it's impossible to make them all happy. You make art because you are passionate about it. You share a bit of what's inside you. Hopefully the general public likes it. That can be one form of validation, though I think it's not a healthy type of validation to depend on. Much more meaningful, would be the old masters telling you personally that they think your work surpasses theirs.

There is also the quote you provided. It's from her early career, when she had already sold millions. At this point, she was prim, proper, apple cheeked, and what you seem to think of as classy and respectable. She was the people's pop princess. And yet she felt she lacked something Mary J Blige had. What could that be? She felt she wasn't as respected. Why? At this point in their respective careers, Mariah had a lot more claim to the love of the people across the globe than did Mary. It seems clear then, that when she talks about respect here, she is not talking about the general public. That's not how she herself defines respect. Food for thought.
(Tuesday 31 May 2022; 21:00)
Creative artist over great vocalist (100,371) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa
I want to start by saying that my words are in no way meant to be an excuse for Mariah or her career. I'm just offering my $.02 on this discussion around how she and her career is viewed by the public and peers. To sum this post up, I'm wondering if maybe Mariah's creativity has come to outshine her vocal instrument. And I don't think it's a bad thing.

There was mention of diva antics being the cause for people to stop listening or to be embarrassed as a fan. I'm old enough to remember Aretha having many a diva antic whether onstage, in interviews, or otherwise. The same can be said for Patti and also Whitney. Whitney was known to be rude in interviews. I love all of these singers, I'm just mentioning this because I don't think "diva behavior" has much to do with her popularity. I will say that it's obvious that it became a defense mechanism after her paranoia in the Glitter era, feeling that she was backstabbed and "out there on her own" and understandably so. Again, not an excuse, just an observation of when it took a different turn.

I believe it has more to do with her art. Mariah is in there from beginning to end of the project, she is the artist of many hats. She produces, writes, composes, sings lead and background, she really does it all minus playing instruments. She gained more control to create this way after Tommy, after leaving Sony. This is when her popularity started waning. Why? I think it's because her music was more of a creative and artistic expression and less of a mainstream, accessible, easy to swallow pill. I think of Prince in this same way. He was always in creative control and it increased further into his career. He was most popular in the 80s when he adhered to a sound he created that was acceptable for the time and within the bounds of WB, similar to how 90s Mariah was very much her signature sound, but within the structure of Sony. Given creative control, these 2 both became full on artists. I hope I'm painting this picture in a way that you all can understand.

Whitney, Aretha, Celine, Barbra, Patti are all great singers and vocalists. They sing music that is mainstream in their respective genres. It's easy to listen to, you don't have to think too much about the lyrics, and they sound great in their music. If Mariah had an entire catalogue of Hero's she would fit right in with this group. The lyrics to Hero are not deep in comparison to her more personal works. The structure of the song is somewhat standard and easy to grasp. Someone else writes and arranges for these women the majority of the time. Mariah is not like this. Every single moment in her songs has been crafted or placed by her somehow. She writes from very deep places that not everyone can relate to or that not everyone is ready to hear. Again, this is similar to Prince in the 90s and beyond. His later music is an acquired taste. It's excellent and some of his best work in my opinion, but most people won't hear it or get it. I think Mariah's music is like this. Putting on one of her albums is honestly like watching a movie. There is so much ambience, emotional landscape, color, feels, sounds, it's an artistic display. The average person does not have the bandwidth or desire to get into all that comes with her album experiences. When some talk about Caution not sounding like a Mariah album, I think it's because she took a dip into the commercial again and it was maybe half-baked. I don't think she had as much control and time as usual for that album, although I do love it. I could go on but this post is way too long already. I'll wait to see if someone indulges the convo and I'll continue with a response.
(Tuesday 31 May 2022; 19:28)
Re: Why I want another #1 (100,368) (100,370) by Edward from USA
Rooney: One night, we went to dinner at Sylvia's in Harlem - me, Tommy, and Mariah. On our way back, we were riding in the limo and every club, every car was bumping "Fantasy". Mariah put her sunglasses on, and tears came down her cheeks, because she couldn't believe her record was getting played all through the hood. That was the beginning of her not turning back to pop.

She once told me though she was grateful for her success, she would trade in all of her record sales to get the respect that Mary J. Blige got. She said, "Mary doesn't have to sell 28 million records to be respected - people respect Mary, and I just want to be respected like her."

You don't write, sing, act or paint for your peers, you do that for the people. Even though your peers respect is always welcomed, the greatest gratification comes from the respect you get from those whom you create your art for, the people.

I personally don't have anything against Mariah, she has made her choices and have gained a lot and also suffered the consequences. It's life, we all have gone through that. Let's just not make excuses as to why she's not as respected globally as Celine, Whitney or Barbra. Her choices led to that, she's been in control of her image since Butterfly.
(Tuesday 31 May 2022; 18:12)
Re: Why I want another #1 (100,362) (100,369) by MusicfanJ from Germany
"While she was still sexy and classy, but before her over the top Diva kicked in." I totally agree with it. Everyone loved her, not just the fans. During "Butterfly" she was still classy while sexy. When "Rainbow" came out she was always funny and sweet during interviews and her touring around the world. I think the public opinion really changed after "Glitter" and while the beginning of the 00 years. Mariah was always a diva, but in the 90ies it was somehow different. She was so mysterious (in a positive way) so powerful and her voice was out of this world. She seemed so carefree and happy. The people love the natural Mariah. We have enough entertainers in the world (good and bad) but only one Mariah. If she focuses on her talent she could write another hit. But it can't be forced. Not with streams or a new rapper. It must happen naturally.
(Tuesday 31 May 2022; 12:18)
Re: Why I want another #1 (100,362) (100,368) by Matthew from USA
Edward, since you claim to speak for all the people over 30, I suppose we shall defer to your judgement that they don't respect Mariah. It seems to me, however, that most people who spend their lives perfecting a craft, get the most gratification from being recognized by their peers. For instance, a novelist might not particularly care that a carpenter in Egypt doesn't appreciate or respect their work, yet be extremely honored by the praise of other novelists she admires. In her book, Mariah points out how much it meant to her that the great Leontyne Price paid her such a compliment. But if you say that Mariah truly wants the respect of the people, whoever and wherever they are, from the baker to the cardiologist, then I shall defer to your judgement, though that seems a recipe for never being happy.

As for class, I suppose it is subjective. Recording artists, who are always conscious of their brand and image, may give us some clue though. Surely younger artists such as J-Hud, Ariana and Shawn, as well as older artists, such as Brandy, Mary J, and Patti Labelle, don't want to associate with the classless. And imagine recruiting a classless artist with no respect in the industry to teach your Master Class.
(Tuesday 31 May 2022; 10:57)
Re: Why I want another #1 (100,366) (100,367) by TJ from Norway
I was listening to Cher in my car this morning and was thinking about Mariah. The only reason Cher got to number one that year, was that she changed everything. A new style, a new sound and a big hit. If Mariah keeps producing music with the same formula that she has used for the last 15 years, we will not see another number one.

I'm very happy for the 19 she got. They made the 90s very happy for me.
(Tuesday 31 May 2022; 10:36)
Re: Why I want another #1 (100,361) (100,366) by jaker20 from US
Mariah alone having another hit song is going to be extremely difficult, to be very honest. I think what she needs is to collaborate, collaborate, collaborate. Whitney had a big global posthumous hit a couple of years ago with Higher Love, and now Mariah as well with Big Energy remix. See the trend there? If the release of BER been handled in a better way, we would be having a different conversation right now. Technically, she does have a recent hit with BER which is charting outside of the US which is more than I can say about most of her contemporaries. But it seems anything less than no.1 is a disappointment for lambs.

I think maybe a lot of us want Mariah to pull a Cher. So we are hoping her to achieve something that's only been achieved once ever, that is too much to ask and unrealistic. If she keeps collaborating she could still churn out hits in the coming years. Her music is still within the genre that is popular right now. The success of BER shows she's in a good spot if she chose to pursue it. Hits mean having another new generation to listen to her music. Some lambs seem to think that catering to young people is a bad thing, which is snobbish.
(Tuesday 31 May 2022; 05:45)
Re: No email updates (100,359) (100,365) by Lainsky from Philippines
Thank you, Webmaster! I really appreciate it.
(Tuesday 31 May 2022; 04:37)
Re: Why I want another #1 (100,361) (100,364) by Bobby A from United States
I was just thinking the same thing. It would have been really cool if MC could have written and sang the theme song to the new Top Gun movie. She was not even considered because she no longer sings pop music.
(Tuesday 31 May 2022; 02:46)
Re: Why I want another #1 (100,350) (100,363) by Edward from USA
That's what you call to pull a Nikki. When you can't pull anything else out of your ass, you can always pull the race card.
(Monday 30 May 2022; 21:10)

MORE MESSAGES

Only registrated members can post messages. Registration is free.
LOG IN REGISTER



If you want to leave a message, there are a few rules you must follow:
1. This is a Mariah Carey messageboard, so the message must be related to Mariah Carey.
2. Only messages in English will be posted. And please try to write understandable English, with the proper use of dots and capitals.
3. Messages with all capitals will be ignored.
4. Messages that are insulting (to Mariah, other artists or members of this messageboard) will not be posted.
The webmaster has the right to refuse any message he doesn't like.
© MCArchives 1998-2025 (27 years!)
NEWS
MESSAGEBOARD