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Re: Biopic battle (97,146) (97,149)
by Will from Australia
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Whitney was a documentary not a biopic. Who played Whitney in it? Exactly.
(Sunday 17 January 2021; 00:17)
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Re: MC 16 (97,130) (97,148)
by Bobby A from United States
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We probably will not receive a MC16 release this year. MC is not going to rush recording it. I can wait until she is ready to release it. I just want that Bruno Mars collaboration.
(Saturday 16 January 2021; 22:10)
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Quest Supreme interview pt. 2 (97,144) (97,147)
by ADAM from USA
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I couldn't agree with your comments anymore. I found it ridiculous how much QuestLove kept gushing over her 8 minute cameo in Precious. She read a few lines in incognito appearance. Not more should be made of it. She's a terrible actress and shouldn't be encouraged to make more movies. Mariah is not comfortable with aging and feels only secure when she's sexy over the top. You can't be an actor with these kinds of hang ups. I wished QuestLove was more prepared and didn't ask questions that were addressed in the book and also wished he stopped her from her tangents. Way too many. She always repeats the same stories. This could have been a better showcase for her to talk about her extensive catalog, producing partners, jazz music, voice changes, etc. I did appreciate her speaking about Walter A. It seemed like she was throwing some shade towards him. I wished she was asked why she excluded him from the book when he was very critical to her success in the early 90s. Would want to hear in her own words if they would work again. Her always been so positive about her. I also feel like she shits on Tommy so much when his guidance was the reason why she's relevant today - Christmas anyone?
(Saturday 16 January 2021; 22:02)
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Re: Biopic battle (97,141) (97,146)
by RibbonB from USA
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Whitney from 2015. A biopic is a biographical movie, which is what this was. But anyway, there's not much Voice can say. Her story has been told. Not sure if a big screen telling will be any bigger, but in the time if Vivid, it'll likely be on tv anyway, on Netflix or some such streaming service.
(Saturday 16 January 2021; 20:01)
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Re: Supreme interview part I and II (97,140) (97,145)
by Lady B from USA
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Couldn't agree more, Hilton.
(Saturday 16 January 2021; 20:01)
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Re: QuestLove Supreme interview pt. 2 (97,133) (97,144)
by Andrew from the United Kingdom
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O Chicago, wait until the interviewer starts to praise her acting ability and get through it without a facial expression of pure bewilderment. I cannot take anybody seriously who says that Mariah is an actress, let alone a good one. Add that on top of the interviewers having difficulty forming questions and making the narrative flow, spiced with Mariah being so tangential she now has a doctorate in trigonometry, and it's a pretty confusing shit show. Or maybe I am wrong and should listen to it again. I was running while listening. Maybe the linear and purposeful nature of running is what threw me off.
(Saturday 16 January 2021; 16:44)
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Re: Supreme interview part I and II (97,140) (97,143)
by Andrew from the United Kingdom
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"Lets face it, some of the things she draws from have a lot or almost all to do with her ethnicity."
Almost everything bad that has happened to Mariah in her life she puts down to her race. There's nothing for anyone to be told to confront for it's quite a lot of, if not almost all, of what she is talking about these days.
"POC need this safe space. I could go on but I won't."
If you don't mind (and genuinely) I'd like you to go on. What is it about this podcast that is valuable to non-white people and not valuable to white people? Or do you just mean music artists? The charts are arguably dominated by "POC" or, at least, they are heavily featured. So, in that respect, the group is not a minority group. What kind safe space is required, who or what is it protecting from?
I'm asking genuinely for your opinion and if I disagree with it, this doesn't mean I am going to try to find ways of tearing it down. I don't understand what you mean.
(Saturday 16 January 2021; 16:35)
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QuestLove (97,142)
by Will from Australia
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Loved the interview, took up my Saturday afternoon with a few splashes. I was delighted to hear her deep dive into AIWFCIY and reveal that Water contributed the bridge to what she had already written, I think we can put this to bed now. Her general respect towards WA was great to hear to.
I was shocked at her attitude toward Caution and how it was released and rushed and also commenting on her owns vocals not being as she would want.
Finally the chick reveal that she is working with potentially a 16 year old actress to reproduce the album, who she can't reveal... it's Millie Bobby Brown from Stranger Things.
(Saturday 16 January 2021; 08:42)
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Re: Biopic battle (97,132) (97,141)
by Will from Australia
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Are you talking about "Whitney" and "Can I Be Me?"? They're not biopics of so.
(Saturday 16 January 2021; 04:56)
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Re: Supreme interview part I and II (97,137) (97,140)
by Hilton from USA
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Yeeeessss. Mariah definitely needed an interview with this type of setting. Lets face it, some of the things she draws from have a lot or almost all to do with her ethnicity and honey, sometimes people don't get it. POC need this safe space. I could go on but I won't. The point is, we get it Mariah. Thank you to QuestLove and his crew. We love them.
(Friday 15 January 2021; 22:52)
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Re: Super relevant interview (97,135) (97,139)
by Hilton from USA
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I totally agree with this. Spot on.
(Friday 15 January 2021; 22:48)
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Re: QuestLove Supreme interview pt. 2 (97,133) (97,138)
by Hilton from USA
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Just listened to part 2. Love this interview so much. I loved how they all were on the same wave and same energy as Mariah. This woman has stories for days and it's amazing. And then they drop the bomb on us and play Hermit from the Chic album. Mariah we need this album please. Like seriously.
(Friday 15 January 2021; 22:47)
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Supreme interview part I and II (97,137)
by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City)
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I can honestly say that I enjoyed both parts equally. Yes she made mention of the book throughout the interview but it did not bother me at all. I appreciate that she was able to be herself in a comfortable setting amongst people who she could trust, and who understand who she is. Even with the extra commentary I was entertained. Bravo to Mariah for being so open, and to QuestLove and company for allowing her the space on your platform to be able to express her thoughts, and feelings so freely.
(Friday 15 January 2021; 22:35)
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Mariah's analysis of AIWFCIY (97,136)
by Geronimo from USA
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I'm super impressed by both the intelligence to ask about the relationship between blues and pop harmony/melodies on this song as well as Mariah's astute analysis. Listening to her singing the melody and then identify the scale degree that makes the difference between two distinct cultural expressions is precisely the difference between a serious artist and a commercial product. Also, the conversation about her cowriter was also appropriate to music culture and far more interesting than all the pointless and paternalistic banter that takes up so much space.
(Friday 15 January 2021; 21:42)
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Super relevant interview (97,135)
by Geronimo from USA
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This interview is perfect. It's what journalism is supposed to give us: culturally informed professionals who understand what counts as real cultural relevance. She literally brought Aretha Franklin's presence back to our physical lives in such a culturally relevant way simply because she gets it. And she brought James Brown into the conversation from an encounter that took place 30 years ago, reminding us what tradition she draws from on the deepest level. Commercial pop culture is so shallow in that it has always tried to make Mariah Carey into a generic retail product isolated on the pinnacle of Billboard "success" and otherwise "irrelevant" in comparison to the "next" and the "next" singing female product selected for promotion. Billboard was always the least interesting part about her (although we do love success). This interview reminds me the difference between silly games and cultural history. And she even mentioned "Till the end of Time", which is one of the absolute best recordings she ever made.
(Friday 15 January 2021; 21:29)
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Re: QuestLove Supreme interview Pt. 1 (97,129) (97,134)
by Andrew from the United Kingdom
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Having heard both parts I can tell you I found it rambling and nonsensical, with tangent upon tangent. It seems like the interviewers, and Mariah alike, start sentences they have no idea how to end. It's difficult to listen to. Also, there is nothing revealed that is not in the book, I don't think. It was basically a three hour commercial for the book. And not a very good one.
(Friday 15 January 2021; 20:26)
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QuestLove Supreme interview pt. 2 (97,133)
by Chicago Lamb from USA
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More debut, SingSing etc. I'm not through listening yet but here you go.
(Friday 15 January 2021; 15:01)
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Re: Biopic battle (97,131) (97,132)
by RibbonB from USA
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Whitney has already had a couple of biopics.
(Friday 15 January 2021; 14:34)
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Biopic battle (97,131)
by Will from Australia
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Biopics are potentially on the horizon for Mariah, Madonna and Whitney. Personally I only like these when done posthumously. Whitney's seems like the real deal with Clive Davis on as a producer. Madonna is directing hers so that could be a mess. Mariah's is talk so far and again she is mentioned as director so it could be a fine mess.
It will be interesting to see how the public respond to them. I'd argue Madonna has the bigger fan base still so it should do well but Whitney being deceased and by the looks of it, a proper production, should perform the best. Anyway, we speculate.
(Friday 15 January 2021; 06:26)
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Re: MC 16 (97,119) (97,130)
by this_is_qhm from the Philippines
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As for using "body of work" or "cohesive" to describe an album that fails to churn out a hit, I don't know. Both terms are almost always used together not just in music but art in general, albeit a little too liberally than needed. I remember Butterfly being praised for its cohesion, #1 hits aside. Conversely, while the through line and supposed unifying aspect of MIAM seems to be that of Mariah dabbling in different incarnations of R&B through the years, I don't hear MIAM being considered cohesive.
So when people call Caution a "cohesive body of work", I don't really think it's meant as an excuse for it not being able to generate a hit. They may just be genuinely appreciating how Mariah managed to make an album that flows smoothly (for better or worse) with a gaggle of producers of differing and distinctive styles, when most other albums from other artists that employ the same approach usually end up with a sound that's scattershot and all over the place. The chances of Mariah ever having even a moderate hit will continue to decrease as time passes. We're gonna have to get used to evaluating her albums not by the hits they put out, but by the quality of the thing as a whole.
Which is why I agree with the part about her going back to the older, more traditional ways of making music. I don't mind a few samples as long as they're tastefully done and actually add value to the song rather than distract from it (still looking at you, Save The Day), but yeah - zero mediocre rap verses would be ideal. If she's gonna collaborate with other artists, then please let it be an actual singing duet. Caution was a step in the right direction in how it showed that she actually knows other producers aside from JD. Low bar, but for Mariah, that's something positive. Since I highly doubt she's gonna sit down with someone and create like dem old days, I just hope she just continues to be open to working with people she hasn't worked with before to at least help push her sound forward.
(Thursday 14 January 2021; 20:24)
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Re: QuestLove Supreme interview Pt. 1 (97,126) (97,129)
by ADAM from USA
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Please describe why you found the interview tragic?
(Thursday 14 January 2021; 20:12)
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Re: QuestLove Supreme interview Pt. 1 (97,127) (97,128)
by Hilton from USA
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Lady B I am like huh, what in the world? Anywho, I truly enjoyed the interview and I love how she asked if they wanted all the back stories that tied into her answers and they were here for it. Loved every second of all the information she spilled. What did you love about the interview?
(Thursday 14 January 2021; 15:40)
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Re: QuestLove Supreme interview Pt. 1 (97,125) (97,127)
by Lady B from USA
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Preach, Hilton. Often the most ignorant speak the loudest.
(Thursday 14 January 2021; 02:19)
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Re: QuestLove Supreme interview Pt. 1 (97,121) (97,126)
by Andrew from the United Kingdom
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I think the interview was tragic on several levels.
(Thursday 14 January 2021; 00:18)
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Re: QuestLove Supreme interview Pt. 1 (97,123) (97,125)
by Hilton from USA
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Interview was excellent. Whew child the responses to the Walter subject in here are alarming. I've never seen so many people who were not there to experience something have so much to say. Ha. Carry on MC.
(Wednesday 13 January 2021; 23:08)
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