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Re: Firecracker Loverboy vs Cameo Loverboy vs Remix Lo (96,383) (96,384) by Deedre aka MiTodoChop @HBF from Canada In a recent WWHL aftershow interview Mariah said even though the situation with the Firecracker sample really upset her at the time, today she actually prefers the Cameo version. Clearly an unpopular opinion here. (Wednesday 21 October 2020; 14:47)

Re: Firecracker Loverboy vs Cameo Loverboy vs Remix Lo (96,375) (96,383) by Todd from Sydney, Australia Oh good Lord. You know too much. (Wednesday 21 October 2020; 11:34)

Re: Firecracker vs. Cameo Loverboy (96,379) (96,382) by Will from Australia There are elements of the Firecracker sample I like, especially the spoken loverboy parts but I'd narrowly give the Cameo version the win, it had a better flow and is more upbeat, finessed. (Wednesday 21 October 2020; 11:05)

Ariana, Jennifer, and Mariah's new Christmas song (96,381) by Nikki from usa This is exciting news. Three ladies on one track. What kind of song do you think it will be? A ballad? Dance track? Pure Pop or an R&B slant? I'm also excited Mariah's Magical Christmas Special is going to be set up like a story. It's been awhile since we heard from Bard Mariah. (Wednesday 21 October 2020; 08:08)

Not connecting with The Rarities (96,380) by amends from Germany I've been listening to the LP a lot and I really want to love it but somehow I am not connecting with the album. I feel like I should love Loverboy (Firecracker) and other songs on the album but somehow it's just not doing much inside of me. Obviously I love EFA, Slipping Away and DYTOM. I've been blasting those songs for a long time though, so nothing new there. The memoir on the other hand I appreciated very much. Coming from Arab parents and being gay, growing up in Germany and always feeling like an imposter in some way - I for one understand the hair obsession Mariah had as a child and the damage something simple like this can leave behind. The book is her truth and sometimes it's easier to lie to yourself so much that it becomes your reality. Not saying I'm making any excuses for MC - she has her issues and she is dealing (or not) with them in her own way. If writing that book helped her emotionally, I am happy for her. (Wednesday 21 October 2020; 08:08)

Re: Firecracker vs. Cameo Loverboy (96,364) (96,379) by Nikki from usa The Firecracker sample is more pop which most of this board leans toward. The people who like the original, remake, Cameo version are more likely R&B/hip-hop fans. (Wednesday 21 October 2020; 07:54)

Re: Firecracker Loverboy vs Cameo Loverboy vs Remix (96,370) (96,378) by Nikki from usa I don't know which version Mariah prefers, but I believe she was referring to getting a 48 million payday and out of her contract with Virgin Records. 20 million for Glitter and a 28 million buy out. (Wednesday 21 October 2020; 07:50)

Re: Solid Mariah (96,372) (96,377) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines My bad. Yeah, Invincible was Michael's last proper studio album. I remember loving that album then, especially tracks such as You Rock My World and the trifecta of Break of Dawn, Heaven Can Wait, and Butterflies, but I also remember how much Janet was on fire then and how All For You was just a much more interesting, varied listen. Michael was the much bigger seller, star, and better performer, but Janet was the wiser artist in terms of production choices, image management and taking full advantage of her limited voice. (Wednesday 21 October 2020; 05:43)

Re: Let's get back to being fans (96,326) (96,376) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Listen, Big Willy. I let the rather cheeky rebuttal of my very pertinent and astute points go. I even let the Celine Dion clown pants thing go (clearly the world is not ready for circus-chic, yet - but A New Day will come). So you get your bum back here and post some stuff about a spreadsheet of all the Mariah spreadsheets you have made, or something. Seriously, are you okay? I would hope that you are okay and well. (Wednesday 21 October 2020; 02:30)

Re: Firecracker Loverboy vs Cameo Loverboy vs Remix Lo (96,373) (96,375) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Eddie thinks I am gay for you but you don't need romance, you just wanna dance. Right? Don't worry. Unlike Eddie after a few cocktails and a free cab ride, my lips are sealed. (Wednesday 21 October 2020; 02:00)

Re: Solid Mariah (96,363) (96,374) by Mirage_Nunez from America I often watch younger youtubers react to Mariah's music for the first time and see them being completely blown away, instantly acknowledging how amazing and legendary she is. She's a stable whether she catch your attention through memes , tiktok challenges, thee Christmas song, or hear Emotions, Fantasy, Always Be My Baby, WBT in passing in the store/or on radio and Shazam her; she'll never be forgotten and constantly rediscovered by the younger generations. When I was a kid in the 90s (pre internet days) I enjoyed exploring music before my time. I'd watching VH1 greatest women in rock & roll or behind the music and learn about so many great artist I'd never heard of before/knew existed. I went to the record store and actually purchased Etta James (At Last) and Carole King (Tapestry) albums after being exposed to them in my teen years. There were even instances where I heard songs on the radio in passing (as a kid) and then years later only remember the melody and a couple lyrics, to later dig and dig until I rediscover the song and artist. That's the impact of what great music would make you do once you're exposed to it, you may end up appreciating it even more later in life. I'm sure Mariah's music will do this for many people for years and years to come. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 23:56)

Re: Firecracker Loverboy vs Cameo Loverboy vs Remix Lo (96,360) (96,373) by Todd from Sydney, Australia Ha. That took me a while to figure out. Warner’s stupidity must have rubbed off on me. Your google skills know no bounds, do they? Ahh Wales. I went there once by accident when I missed a turn off for Chester. Pretty. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 22:15)

Re: Solid Mariah (96,367) (96,372) by Hector from Mexico Michael had a song named Unbreakable from the album Invincible. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 21:53)

Interviews (96,371) by We are lambily from USA We don't give Trevor Noah enough credit for giving us one of the most amazing, heartfelt interviews from Mariah. Just read the comments from YouTube, people are so shocked how down to earth and nice Mariah really is. The media is really a powerful tool and so destructive in a way, the fact that 99% of everyone who has ever met Mariah speaks so highly of her speaks volume. Yet if you read garbage newspapers or blogs they sing a different tune. A guy who works in Target did a tiktok on celebrities he came across, he gave Mariah 100/10 rating. I truly hope we see more fun segments from Mariah, let's hope this covid mess ends soon. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 21:26)

Re: Firecracker Loverboy vs Cameo Loverboy vs Remix (96,370) by John from USA I have to echo what someone else said on here. I remember traveling when "Loverboy" came out in 2001. I had to walk like 2 miles to the nearest record store near my hotel to get the CD single. I hadn't heard the song on radio as radio wasn't really playing it. It was the first Mariah song that I had to sorta initially force myself to like. I did end up really loving the Candy version of "Loverboy", but always wished the vocals and chorus were stronger. The Firecracker version is the first Mariah song since maybe "It's Like That" that I loved upon first listen. I have been playing it non-stop since The Rarities came out. It would have been in instant #1 back in 2001. The intro/outro are amazing and sort of tie the song to the same vein as Fantasy and ABMB. And the chorus. So much better than the Cameo version. The chorus really pops and goes much harder in the Firecracker version. I also love that it doesn't feature a rapper or anyone else - just a catchy as hell upbeat Mariah song that would have been in the same class as her lead singles throughout the 90s. I know Mariah says she thinks they did her a favor because she prefer the Candy version, but I think she may just be saying that to save face. The Firecracker version is far superior. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 19:13)

Re: Firecracker Loverboy vs Cameo Loverboy vs Remix Lo (96,360) (96,369) by Edward from USA Oh my God, get a chat-room. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 19:10)

Re: Firecracker Loverboy vs Cameo Loverboy vs Remix Lo (96,366) (96,368) by MusicfanJ from Germany Firecracker is my choice. The cameo version is good too, but Firecracker has a better beginning, stronger chorus and it feels like an endless party. It really makes you want to dance. Singing dadadada. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 18:08)

Re: Solid Mariah (96,363) (96,367) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I'd throw Janet in there. I'd say her first 2 albums where she had zero creative control over are part of her bottom recordings. She has always been an album artist, and even on her worst albums since Control (Discipline, 20 Y.O., Damita Jo), she still made an effort to keep her albums flow as one unit even when the various genres and sounds she experiments with make achieving such a bit challenging. She doesn't have as many recognizable deep cuts, but each of her albums work well sonically and thematically. The impeccable run of albums from Control, Rhythm Nation 1814, janet., The Velvet Rope to even All For You - more consistently enjoyable and better constructed albums than anything Michael has released after Bad, which is interestingly is also the time when Janet started eclipsing his brother in terms of critical and chart success. Even Janet's Unbreakable is much stronger than Michael's album of the same name. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 15:38)

Re: Firecracker Loverboy vs Cameo Loverboy vs Remix Lo (96,356) (96,366) by Chicago Lamb from USA It was too late to rush release and beat J.Lo to radio. J.Lo's was released without warning. I do like the Firecracker version, feeling it is much more in line with the eighties theme and sounds better on the album. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 15:21)

Re: Firecracker Loverboy vs Cameo Loverboy vs Remix Lo (96,352) (96,365) by Shezz from Pk Firecracker version all the way. It is exciting, fun and infectious with that amazing intro and outro and more energetic vocals and ofcourse that infamous sample. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 15:18)

Firecracker vs. Cameo Loverboy (96,364) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines I'm not one to crap on other people's preferences or their reasons for such preferences, but I really think that many people who say they "prefer" the Cameo version over the Firecracker one just have nostalgia glasses on. I remember hearing Loverboy for the first time as a kid having difficulty to make out the words she was singing. The chorus was a little too muddled and hard to latch on to. It was the first lead single of hers that I could consciously remember listening to for the first time (I was just too young to recall anything released before Fantasy) and feeling underwhelmed by, especially since Fantasy, Honey and Heartbreaker were all so good. It was also the lead single that I recall really trying to like just because it was Mariah's. I've eventually grown to appreciate the dissonance between the melodies and the overpowering sample, Mariah's vocals (which sound like she had a cold when recording them), and the limp singing of the chorus. The Firecracker version may have an intro that is about 8 bars too long, but when the first verse kicks in, it really hits you and the bounce doesn't let up until the song ends. Its delivery is cheekier, more fun and engaging. In a way sort of reminds me of how the Bam Jam Soul Mix of Dreamlover, which was reportedly intended to be the final version but was also shelved. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 09:32)

Solid Mariah (96,363) by Geronimo from USA If you exclude Mariah's top 10% and bottom 10% songs and albums in terms of quality and/or recognition, can you think of another artists since 1990 with such a thick, solid recording record left over? She's never just thrown songs on albums as filler, but made each project with sincerity and skill. Her deep cuts rival Michael Jackson, the Beatles, and Stevie Wonder for the sheer number of "obscure" songs and albums that another generation will discover and wonder where that music has been their all their life. I think the concept of her legacy is almost impossible to frame in this moment. The fact that some people even think reactions to her public persona will determine her impact in the future shows that few people consult history. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 07:54)

Re: One Night (96,353) (96,362) by Edward from USA I love "One Night", had it been included on "Daydream", it would've definitely been a potential single, but I guess it wasn't saccharine enough. You can clearly hear all the beautiful nuances of Mariah's voice in its full expression. Out of all the 90's tracks on "The Rarities", it's the only one you can distinctively recognize as a "Daydream track". Loverboy (Firecracker) is bouncy and contagious, with better vocals and no messy-sounding like the Cameo one. The sample is far superior and better executed too. Sadly it just went to waste on JLo's song. "Here We Go Around Again" is a track I never skip, because I enjoy it very much. Every time I listen to it, I can't help but always wait for a great set of high notes that never come, lol. I think it was a good idea leaving it out of "Mariah Carey", not because the song is bad or anything, but compared to the rest of the tracks on "Mariah Carey", it sounds dated. If Mariah has other tracks like "One Night", "All I Live For", and "Out Here on My Own", we'll definitely see more rarities in the future. Sadly, unlike #1's, the new recorded track is subpart. For the next one she should secure a #1 with a duet with Ariana Grande. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 02:10)

Re: Here We Go Round Again (96,354) (96,361) by Hilton from USA I looooooooove this song. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 01:33)

Re: Firecracker Loverboy vs Cameo Loverboy vs Remix Lo (96,355) (96,360) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Oh Todd, I thought one look at you looking like a dream come true would leave me speechless like you always do. But alas, I am no longer in England. I am now in Wales. South Wales. The old one. Apparently, there's a new one somewhere. (Tuesday 20 October 2020; 01:20)

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