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Re: The future is not looking good (96,302) (96,309) by Geronimo from USA Cheer up. Mariah Carey has a great career. You can't measure a person's legacy by current popularity. That's literally the opposite of what a legacy is. At the same time, though, what we fans post online is part of her perceived legacy. We don't need to care that much about what other people are doing and saying about her. We just look at ourselves and see what role we are playing in naming and documenting her legacy out of our experience of her - not how we feel about other people's opinions. (Friday 16 October 2020; 22:58)

Soon As I Get Home (96,308) by ldyer from England Mariah did actually sing this song. Won't say no more lol. (Friday 16 October 2020; 22:24)

Re: The future is not looking good (96,302) (96,307) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I warned of this for years. Mariah's behaviour and attitude made people turn away from her. It is not remotely fashionable to say you like Mariah Carey. She is viewed as a spoiled, vain, petty bitch. Ask random people what they think of her. "Ugh, her," is somewhat of a common response. "I can't stand that woman." (Friday 16 October 2020; 21:39)

Re: The future is not looking good (96,302) (96,306) by Geri551 from UK Um I think you need to relax as you are catastrophising. If Mariah never gets another stream, sells another ticket or album, she has made more money than anyone of us could ever imagine and will continue to do so for the remainder of her life. She will continue to hit the charts every year for as long as Christmas is celebrated, which is nothing to sniff your nose at. Her legacy will be remembered and celebrated by her fans and the dozens of vocalists who came after her who have publicly named her as their inspiration. Mariah has never been a particularly hugely popular live performer, even her short Music Box tour in 1993 did not sell out. That is a consequence of the fact that she is not a natural live performer and she never developed a reputation as a live touring act. You seem to dislike Mariah the person and want her to become something she isn't, so just enjoy the music. If others don't like it that's their decision, nothing you can do about it. (Friday 16 October 2020; 21:05)

The aftermath (96,305) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) I see that the message board has been in shambles since the release of the memoir. While everyone is entitled to their opinion some people have been spreading more hate than love. Personally I feel like you do not have to like what MC has decided to share in The Meaning of Mariah Carey but to degrade her, or anyone who is appreciative, and respectful of her story is not cool at all. Again her memoir was her story to tell, and whatever shall be the aftermath is something MC has to deal with. Just my opinion. (Friday 16 October 2020; 20:41)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,303) (96,304) by 123 from USA It doesn't have anything to do with werewolf or twilight type stuff. I'm not into that either. It's Sci Fi. The title does give that impression though. A human give two androids 6 embryos to go to a far off planet to raise them to be atheists as he felt believers destroyed their world. One of the Androids is... special. It gets good when a ship of believers arrive and some spiritual stuff starts to happen where the atheists start to question their non faith. The one Android is no joke. (Friday 16 October 2020; 20:22)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,291) (96,303) by RibbonB from USA I'll give it a look see. I've never been into the twilight or werewolf stuff, but it might be interesting. I just watched the vintage, campy, The Brain that Wouldn't Die this morning. (Friday 16 October 2020; 19:49)

The future is not looking good (96,302) by Joachim Agerup Løkkevik from Norway I was a bit devastated to se how low The Rarities charted, and it seems like Mariah is not capable of selling new music anymore, or make an impact at all. There are other legendary artists who can just put an album out and it goes to #1 just because of their reputation. I think Mariah's reputation is to blame. She is now just looked at as the Queen of Christmas, and it seems like her catalogue is getting forgotten. And the only reason people listen to AIWFCIY and her other Christmas songs is because they love the songs, not the artist behind them. After Christmas most people don't care about Mariah anymore, and they get back to thinking of her as an overly sexualized demanding difficult diva. I think the biggest sign of her fading legacy is Mariah not being able to sell tickets to her tours and live shows. Her tour has an attendance of 2-3000 per show, that is almost ridiculous compared to other greats like Celina Dion, Madonna, Britney Spears, Bruce Springsteen, AC/DC, Pink Floyd, Pink etc. I read somewhere that Katy Perry is today's Mariah Carey, having plenty of hits and millions of albums sold, but haven't managed the cultural impact of other big artist, and have lost respect in the general public, thus fading away slowly until one day there is no more. It's a terrifying thought that Mariah's music, besides AIWFCIY, is going to be forgotten, just because of Mariah's image and persona. I don't mind Mariah being a diva, but I do believe what made people lose respect is her image from Rainbow and onwards. Mariah became all about them boobs, she wanted to flash them as often as possible, and when people get the notion that you care more about looking sexy, cheesy sexy that is, they lose interest. I sometimes think about what if Mariah died today, God forbid she did, would that make a cultural inpact as when Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, David Bowie, Prince? Would her albums and singles sell so much that they recharted? I know, you shouldn't think about this stuff, but I do. I'm worried Mariah's legacy is slowly slipping away, because you never sse her albums on iTunes 200 albums charts like so many of other legendary artist, and you won't find her on iTunes top 100 rnb songs like many of Whitney Houston's songs or Tina Turner or Alicia Keys. Mariah has given me so much pleasure during my lifetime, I absolutely love her back catalogue, I listen to her every day, she has so many great songs and her talent is, or was, out of this world. I worry about her future, because I want young people to discover her music, experience the feelings I have had. My worst fear is she is fading away, everything fades away. Have to listen to Always Be My Baby now. (Friday 16 October 2020; 19:35)

Where I Belong (96,301) by 123 from USA The long awaited "Where I belong". (Friday 16 October 2020; 19:15)

Re: Migrate (96,280) (96,300) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa Sigh. I would love to hear it out at a club. In my city we have a long-standing Madonna-Rama, Britney, Janet, Beyonce, even Kylie night. But I've yet to hear about a Mariah night. If only. (Friday 16 October 2020; 19:09)

Right Where I Belong (Busta vs MC) (96,299) by RoRo from PH Have you guys heard this? A friend linked me to a SoundCloud upload of the full song (which I'm not sure I can share here?) It is fire. Digging it more than IKWYW, which is saying a lot because because I love that song too. Great hook and a welcome addition to the thug-love genre IMO. PS: Heard Busta is releasing something 10/30, this might be it. (Friday 16 October 2020; 18:58)

Re: Wow (96,262) (96,298) by Nicky from Jasmine's Sofa Awwww thank you Hilton. Nice to meet you. (Friday 16 October 2020; 18:57)

Mariah & Busta song to finally see the light o‘day (96,297) by Shezz from Pk Busta's new album is being released later this month with the long teased Mariah collab "Right where I belong" finally (Friday 16 October 2020; 18:23)

Re: MC30 (96,282) (96,296) by Bill from the UK Mariah's just uploaded HD TOTP performances for Emotions, Without You, and Endless Love with Luther. Not sure if this is all she's doing this Friday but glad some of the TOTP gaps have been filled. (Friday 16 October 2020; 18:03)

Re: So what is next (96,287) (96,295) by Bobby A from United States Mariah would sound so good singing Soon As I Get Home. (Friday 16 October 2020; 17:56)

Re: So what is next (96,285) (96,294) by Bobby A from United States Ok. I am going to look forward to hearing TR on vinyl in December if it is not delayed. (Friday 16 October 2020; 17:54)

Re: JFL (96,276) (96,293) by Mirage_Nunez from America Oh wow. Okay. Yea there was more to it. Celine had another line and Aretha had a part that was to be the clincher. Maybe it was my use of the (smartphone) emojis that threw it off somehow. But I digress. I’m glad to see everyone is moving on from that topic to more pleasant topics now. So it’s all good. (Friday 16 October 2020; 17:40)

Re: Wow (96,262) (96,292) by Mutton Dressed as Lamb from UK Even she can't walk a day in her shoes, so that backs up your argument that being a multi-millionaire is really hard. (Friday 16 October 2020; 17:37)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,286) (96,291) by 123 from USA Hey RibbonB. This is the website I use to watch both shows. (Friday 16 October 2020; 17:05)

Re: Migrate (96,289) (96,290) by Edward from USA I now know why Migrate wasn't ever a single. (Friday 16 October 2020; 16:17)

Re: Migrate (96,280) (96,289) by Bill from the UK I trust your friend also said it should have been a single. (Friday 16 October 2020; 14:53)

Re: So what is next (96,285) (96,288) by Geri551 from UK I think success of albums is increasingly viewed not by copies sold or even streams but the ticket sales the accompanying tour sells or what commercial endorsements a performer can attract off the back of a record. It's a whole new world from what it was 10 years ago, let alone 25 years ago. In the early 90s, an album by a legacy artist could peak in the bottom rang of the Top 200 and still go Gold. Now you have albums peaking at number 1 which sell 100-300k copies total. (Friday 16 October 2020; 12:20)

Re: So what is next (96,281) (96,287) by Geri551 from UK I was thinking recently about songs I wish Mariah had recorded in the 1990s and "Soon As I Get Home" was one of the songs I wish was on "Butterfly" or even "Daydream". I don't like the idea of Mariah doing a Babyface covers album, too specific but maybe something like a Great American Songbook type record would be a good idea and would reconnect her with older fans - I could imagine Mariah singing "The Man That Got Away" or "Que Sera, Sera". I think she would need to go back to her 90s style of singing fluidly though, the R&B whisper build up just wouldn't work on standards such as those. She doesn't need to do fancy belts or anything, look at Diana Ross who has sung much of this material wonderfully. She could do a tour of theatres once Covid is over, TV special etc. It would be a big deal purely because it would be so unexpected from Mariah. I hope there is a sequel to The Rarities and I am not too bothered that it wasn't a big hit, these types of records never are. There must be additional material which remains. I am intrigued by Mariah's repeated references to "the vault" and herself being surprised by what's in there. I have visions of some dungeon in a caste that she only visits once a decade for a few minutes. Someone needs to get in there and have a good clean out. I personally am hoping that the Mariah version of the Chick rock album is released. I hope that isn't just about forgotten about, I think a song like "Prom Queen" could actually be as powerful and important a song for Mariah as "Hero" and needs to be promoted. A duets album would be a good idea but I think Mariah would need to be imaginative in selecting duet partners, an album of her and a lot of rappers and R&B singers will basically just be a repeat of her recent albums. Imagine her doing a duet with Reba McEntire or someone from the rock genre, it would blow people's minds. I would like Mariah to attempt an album with a completely brand new team i.e. no Jermaine. I have often wondered how different Mariah's career would have been if she had been open to recording songs by other writers - I was listening to "Unbreak My Heart" and it just screamed Mariah to me and I thought what a shame that wasn't on "Daydream" as it would have fitted in perfectly. I would love to know whether Mariah has been offered songs by writers over the years and if so, which. Mariah is 30 years into one of the most successful recording careers in musical history - I think people have to be realistic now about what "success" at this stage in her career looks like. The chances of her having a non-Christmas related number 1 single or album, or even top 10 are very, very small. The entertainment industry is not set up to support a 50 year old plus woman having regular success like that. In the years to come, she may have a hit or even two but its unlikely but I hope she uses the years ahead to expand her horizons musically. (Friday 16 October 2020; 12:01)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,278) (96,286) by RibbonB from USA No I haven't seen it. Maybe I will check it out. (Friday 16 October 2020; 11:17)

Re: So what is next (96,281) (96,285) by Bill from the UK I do wonder when physical sales will be completely discarded and only streaming will count. They are so small for almost everybody. It makes sense; why on earth pay for something when it's free? The Rarities would only really interest fans though I think. Caution may have sold poorly, but it charted highly in the US. You can't judge a 2020 album released at the peak of streaming against, say, Music Box where buying a physical copy was the only way to hear all the songs. Don't be too disappointed Bobby A. (Friday 16 October 2020; 11:16)

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