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Re: Lovecraft Country (96,279) (96,284) by RibbonB from USA This is the first season. (Friday 16 October 2020; 11:16)

Re: MC30 (96,282) (96,283) by Bill from the UK I know right? Got up early to nothing. Bah humbug. Although, MC did send a tweet out with the Chick album on her phone screen, indicating it has been digitised, do maybe that will come soon. She did say she was determined to find it. It's like £300 on Discogs now (previously it went for about £3). (Friday 16 October 2020; 10:28)

MC30 (96,282) by enwar00 from usa No new MC30 releases this week? Boo. (Friday 16 October 2020; 07:08)

So what is next (96,281) by Bobby A from United States TR sold so poorly that now I understand why the vinyl version was only made available on MC's website. So, after Christmas what is next for MC? I am afraid for her to work on a new album because it will probably sell less than Caution. I would love for to her to team up with Babyface and sing some of his biggest songs he has written for himself and others. Songs by Babyface like Just My Luck, Soon As I Get Home, Breathe Again, Exhale (Shoop Shoop), There You Go, Can I Stay With You, Always In My Heart, and Why Should I Care. They should record about 5 new collaborations where MC is the sole producer. We all know MC is a great producer. (Friday 16 October 2020; 05:10)

Migrate (96,280) by Jono from USA Off topic but I heard Migrate for the first time in a club at a socially distant Mariah Night event. It sounded amazing all these years later. It's been twelve years and I got to hear one of her best bangers on a loud speaker. My friend who came with who was a non fan said she absolutely loved the song. (Friday 16 October 2020; 04:50)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,272) (96,279) by Edward from USA I'm definitely hooked. You should've brought it up two or three seasons in, so I could binge like I did with "Game of Thrones" and "Trueblood" both of which I found out 3-seasons in. (Friday 16 October 2020; 02:10)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,272) (96,278) by 123 from USA I love this show. It's kind like a period piece mixed with Sci fi with black leads. I've been busy with work so I've only gotten to episode 4. I will have to binge watch this weekend. Have any of you seen "Raised by wolves"? It's my current addiction. I watch both shows on a website online for free if anyone wants the link. (Friday 16 October 2020; 02:02)

Re: End of the affair (96,264) (96,277) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I wrote a reply and it contained this to laugh at Mariah's comments about Celine and Aretha. But I think actually I'll just invite everyone to listen to the song. When a white woman sings it in tribute to a black woman, and when a white guy is moved to tears by it, you must surely know that the world isn't even half as bad a place as people with agenda are interested in making you believe it is. (Friday 16 October 2020; 01:53)

Re: JFL (96,271) (96,276) by Mirage_Nunez from America Okay this post was a Complete fail due to the heavy editing. It was suppose to be just for laughs, but just disregard it now. [Webmaster: I didn't edit anything, I posted the complete message uncensored.] (Friday 16 October 2020; 01:48)

Re: What if (96,263) (96,275) by 123 from USA Edward. Now you are sounding ridiculous. That's the point, Mariah wouldn't have done that. Mariah could have still squeaked about a whistle note that night. She used to compensate with tons of whistle notes in 2005 when her upper register was lacking. She let out a whistle note in 99 even after Diana told her in rehearsal "you will not be hitting that note tonight" only to have the note edited out per Diana's request when the show re-aired for reruns. You see Mariah open her mouth and nothing comes out. Whitney wouldn't have stepped up to Aretha, her Godmother and the same lady who her mother sang backup for because she knows the rules. Respect your elders if you want to be part of the soul singer circle. I remember in a late 90s Whitney interview they said you are the biggest singer since Aretha. Whitney's was like "Oooh um don't tell Aretha that." She knew to respect Aretha and she didn't want any smoke from Aretha or her mother Cissy. It's not a race thing, it's respect. Mariah thought Celine should have stood down. Celine was defending Carole because Aretha sang over Carole and Celine's parts, so she took revenge and stepped up to Aretha. Are either of them are wrong? No. It's subjective. Mariah is ok to feel the way she does. Celine is ok if she felt she wanted to defend her friend. Neither are wrong but why is Mariah being crucified for feeling like you should respect those that came before you. And to say she overhang with her male counterparts. She's the soprano. She is supposed to sing the top notes/harmony. And why can't she include this in her book if she felt it important. It's cool if you guys are disillusioned with her, I'd respect you more if you left like Randy did. But to keep coming here just to keep the tone of this board so toxic is concerning. This is not normal. We get remixes, rarities, vinyls, a book that some of you hate, and looks like she isn't done. Let the rest of us that accept who and what she is in 2020 enjoy our little Mariah hobby. God Bless and hope some of you find some happiness in your lives. (Friday 16 October 2020; 01:04)

Re: End of the affair (96,264) (96,274) by Hilton from USA Bill - I love what you wrote here. Seems honest and objective. (Friday 16 October 2020; 00:47)

Re: What if (96,263) (96,273) by Geronimo from USA Edward, asking what would be different if "Whitney Houston replaces Celine that night", shows you have missed the plot entirely. Whitney Houston's pedigree is the Black church tradition that produced her Black Gospel singing mother, Cissy Houston. The culture gap Celine Dion fell all the way into is literally Whitney Houston's cultural home. You speak as if Afro-American creative and social culture is mostly a product of retail pop culture and not the practice of a real group of people with a history. I wonder where you learned that. The traditions of performing Black Gospel music in the U.S are related to West African and Afro-American music, cosmologies, practices of conjuring, trance, glossolalia and other elements. Aretha carried that tradition into a time when many commercial artists seemed to have forgotten the roots of this American music. Race is not real. It is a mistake people who look like you produced. Culture is real. Clearly, Celine Dion either did not know what not to do or didn't care to proceed as if there might be something she should learn before taking the stage. I wonder why that is. (Friday 16 October 2020; 00:41)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,269) (96,272) by RibbonB from USA Edward, please let CD go, lol. It's such good viewing isn't it? I hope there will be a season two. (Friday 16 October 2020; 00:22)

JFL (96,271) by Mirage_Nunez from America Mariah: Oh no no no dahling. You don't go toe to toe with the Queen of Soul, you revere her and only sing along to compliment her, not out do her. Celine: I respect you, but we're going to be sanging and bringing down this house together. If I just so happen to out-sing you then. (Friday 16 October 2020; 00:21)

TRL / hypothetical dueling divas (96,270) by Mirage_Nunez from America I'm sorry, but I do believe the TRL thing was definitely over sensationalized. Mariah with an ice cream cart, pulling off an oversized t shirt (only to reveal another outfit) was not the worst/craziest moment that ever happened on MTV like they tried to spin and Carson just added fuel to the fire. Now he really threw Mariah under the bus (never seem to truly care about her welling being/the aftermath) in that situation and capitalized off the headlines/media coverage on her meltdown. Mariah has already taken accountability for that ordeal with admitting she was exhausted and allowed herself to be overworked. What more would you like her to say: "Yes I am batsh*t crazy and should be in a straight jacket right now." She actually should defend herself against the over exaggerated stories out there from the media and tell her side of what happened with her family. Ask yourself did the people who actually did her dirty take accountability for it or did they just run her in the ground and collect checks from her name. The cultural gap comment is debatable. Celine is not an American white woman, she's French Canadian and I believe Mariah was more so referencing that as the possible cultural difference. I doubt it was "this white woman had no business singing gospel with a black women". It's really unfair to do the hypothetical Whitney scenario, because she's no longer with us and I don't feel right even saying if she would've done the same thing as Celine or not. However since it's been posed as a question, I believes she would've been somewhere in the middle of what Celine and Mariah did. I believe she would've shined on her parts and did her thing, and sung along to compliment Aretha's voice without (seemingly to some ) trying out sing her. She had the same reverence for Aretha Mariah has and actually knew Aretha personally. However if Whitney would've belted over Aretha's voice and went toe to toe in a competitive way, I think Mariah would've felt the same way and said the same thing she's said in past interviews about feeling like she belonged "with the background singers". I mean she wouldn't have had the exact same commentary of course with the cultural part, but I think she still would've said something in reference to why she didn't do the same thing. She and Whitney had their little subliminal shady comment moments towards each other before they actually met and became friends now. Lol. I've actually been on the fence and can see both sides of the situation and thought Celine and Aretha voices sound great on top of each others actually: it was like the soulful church belt meets the contemporary pop run. To be fair every woman had a right to sing their best on that stage that night during their solo performances and when coming together the goal should be to sing well together complimenting each other's voices and not outdo and compete with each other. I've seen this happen in much worse cases with other groups of female singers (reference Patti and Dionne Warwick). However we chose to view the Divas moment moving forward that Natural Woman performance is one for the books and made for one of the greatest moments in diva history. As far as thinking a lot this conversation/opinions shared is rubbish or BS, I accept that we won't agree on a lot of things on this message board. I'm okay with just sharing our different point of views respectfully and respectfully disagree and moving on. I think some just take their rightful grievances to toxic levels and that's the part that's off putting to a lot of the members on this board. At the end of the day we all come her to mostly express our love and appreciation for Mariah's musical contributions not to assassinate her character and foil the message board experience for others. That's something we should all me mindful of when sharing our thoughts. That's all. (Friday 16 October 2020; 00:16)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,268) (96,269) by Edward from USA Celine Dion is executive producer. I hope Mariah won't object. Lol. I love love the series. Thanks for bringing it up here. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 23:56)

Re: Lovecraft Country (96,182) (96,268) by RibbonB from USA Just curious, have you been watching the series and do you know the team and origins of the work? That's importsnt in the enjoyment, IMO. They are doing a masterful job of handling this subject, especially in he pulp, horror, sci-fi realm. It is strangely deep and moving, yet fun to watch with other nerds, or other interested parties. It definitely is not, nor meant to be a straight ahead drama. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 23:06)

Article: Mariah Carey's very good, very bad two weeks (96,267) by RibbonB from USA He is such a fan. I wish he would dig up some interesting dirt on Stella. Is she still selling limos on Hollywood Blvd? Or was that Rolls'? Who will be the first to challenge the book? I wonder if Pat and siblings have read it yet? That will be a difficult read. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 22:59)

Re: What if (96,263) (96,266) by RibbonB from USA Aretha has meaning to Mariah, singing with her on Divas 98 has meaning to her as she stated in the chapter entitled Divas. Celine was also there and part of the performance. Celine isn't a gospel singer, Aretha is and so was Whitney, at least she sang it when at her Baptist church. Mimi loves gospel, but doesn't try to tangle with the gospel best. It's probably why Mimi won't tangle with a whole gospel CD, she just dabbles. she certainly has studied the best. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 22:43)

The irony of TRL (96,265) by Will from Australia I still can't believe how people can rant about Mariah acting crazy on TRL to the point of having a manic episode themselves about it. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 21:57)

Re: End of the affair (96,260) (96,264) by Bill from the UK I'm not disputing any of what you detailed, and Mariah hasn't really either. You've made your mind up that she's a liar and re-editing history, and nothing I say will change that. But to respond to your points and why I respectfully disagree: - Glitter was never billed as a soundtrack Not having an "OST" suffix does not mean it can't constitute as a soundtrack when the tracks on the album were used in a movie. By definition, it's a soundtrack. It was, if anything, a concept album with a deliberate 80s feel written specifically for the movie. I personally do not class it as either a soundtrack, nor a "regular" album like Daydream or Music Box. More an accompaniment to the movie, or vice versa. - Loverboy sold a lot due to discounting Mariah called it the best selling single of the year, which it was. That's a fact. If her record company discounted it to encourage sales, that's good marketing and no crime was committed. - TRL was Mariah rushing her entrance and acting insane Agree this wasn't Mariah's proudest moment at all, but her point in the memoir was that everybody on the set, including Carson, knew she would be appearing, yet they made it seem like it was unknown and unplanned. - The plates didn't slip out of her hand We can't comment on this as neither of us were there. - She did not disappear to background singing because of Celine Dion Again we do not know why she did this as we were not in her head, so we only have her account of the evening to go by. - Tommy Mottola did not "help" launch her career - he launched the whole bloody thing That is true, he did indeed mastermind her career and used his influence to get her good press and on the right shows and in the studio with great producers. However, it was off the back of his belief in her unfathomable talent as a singer and a songwriter. Tommy did not sing, nor write, any of her recordings. He was just great at managing her career (to her artistic and personal detriment). Therefore it is fair to say he did "help", as without the talent to back it up, Mariah would simply be just another Tiffany. - She is not suddenly a "black woman who is also mixed race" - she is mixed race She is mixed race yes, but if she feels a stronger connection to her black ancestry over her white, who are we to say that is wrong? Reading the memoir, her dad was strict but clearly cared deeply for her. Her cousins on her father's side protected her. Her black friends in school defended her. Is it any wonder why she leaned closer to that part of her make up over the other, when it was her mother who neglected her, and the white girls that bullied her and traumatised her? (Thursday 15 October 2020; 21:44)

What if (96,263) by Edward from USA Had Mariah stepped up when Aretha made the call and hit some stratospheric high notes, we would be singing a different tune here. We would all be bragging about how she slayed. None of them chickens on stage could overpower Aretha's gargantuan scream, lol. The only thing they could do was sing the best they could, Celine did. Mariah didn't even try, you can see Aretha wanted her to. When Mariah outsings a man it's fine because men are there to compliment women voices, and supposedly is expected, such bullshit. But when Mariah holds back for whatever reason, she's doing it out of respect, some more bullshit. Celine has nothing but praises to say about Mariah. She's irrelevant to "The Meaning of Mariah Carey". Let's shift into an alternate universe, and which Whitney Houston replaces Celine that night, but with the same outcome. Let's also imagine Whitney is still alive. Do you guys think Mariah would've ever mentioned it? I think we all know the answer. And since Whitney Houston is black enough for Mariah, even blacker than her, there wouldn't have been a culture gap as Mariah states it on her memoirs. I don't remotely think Mariah is racist, but the culture gap comment sounds racist to me. I also didn't know that when a black woman and a white woman were singing about Jesus, the white woman had to take the backseat. Maybe that explains why Mariah didn't know what to do with herself. She didn't know which way to go. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 21:40)

Wow (96,262) by Hilton from USA I've been part of this board for years but stopped being interactive. I have to say, some of you on this board are nothing short of nasty individuals. The hate being spewed here is disturbing and a lot of you should be ashamed of yourselves. This is a sad day in here and it's so sickening to continue to say "this dysfunctional family" when I'm fact, that's really an excuse to be abusive towards one another. This is not what Mariah stands for and this is not what she would want for us. We can be objective and opinionated without being rude and disrespectful to one another. Some of y'all seem to think that your opinions are facts and that's alarming. You think you know this woman and her life and really, most wouldn't be able to walk a day in her shoes. Sigh. Nikki I love your posts by the way. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 20:05)

Re: End of the affair (96,255) (96,261) by this_is_qhm from the Philippines This may be more complicated than that. Remember how Michael Jackson had a song called Childhood? Setting the child molestation mess aside, it's clear that Michael and some of his other siblings were robbed of a normal childhood. They've all dealt with such trauma differently as they grew up, and some managed better than the others. It's these proofs of individual differences that play a part in coping with heavy issues that make me empathize more with anyone who has had not such a happy upbringing as a child, Mariah included. So while acting like she's eternally 12 is definitely not the most ideal way of dealing with her past, that doesn't necessarily mean she's dwelling in it. It's just her fun, annoying way of putting it. Much of her actions as an adult, as childish as they may seem, comes across as her chasing something that she wasn't afforded as a young girl from an unstable family and making sure her own children don't experience the same. It's her way of coping, and frankly, for everything she has had to endure, it seems to have worked for her somehow. She's now a middle aged icon who has outlived many of her legend peers who have succumbed to more serious issues. We can't really knock that because seriously, in such a cutthroat business that's always looking for the next shiny new toy, longevity is unfortunately an achievement. Don't let victim complex-ridden memoir fool you - this woman is a survivor and despite her many missteps she still continues to prove that she has a better head on her shoulders than most stars, and definitely more than most people give her credit for. (Thursday 15 October 2020; 19:00)

Re: End of the affair (96,252) (96,260) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "[I]t's not really constructive to call her experiences BS when they are her experiences." Bloody hell, Bill. It is a weak argument that someone's "lived experience" cannot be challenged, especially when all visible evidence is to the contrary and/or their reliability as a witness is tenuous. The phrase "don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining" comes to mind, once more. However, if Mariah wants to push delusion and fabrication let her. She always has. But any fan, Lamb or Queen that supports this is actually worse - those people that insist a performance is live when it clearly is not, that an image is not doctored when it clearly is, that a vocal not engineered when it clearly has been. And now Mariah's untruthfulness is supported in accounts of things that clearly did not happen that way. Mariah has sold you a false weather forecast and pissed all over your leg. And you're telling everybody to buy umbrellas. - Glitter was never billed as a soundtrack - Loverboy sold a lot due to discounting - TRL was Mariah rushing her entrance and acting insane - The plates didn't slip out of her hand - She did not disappear to background singing because of Celine Dion - Tommy Mottola did not "help" launch her career - he launched the whole bloody thing - She is not suddenly a "black woman who is also mixed race" - she is mixed race Enough with the "BS". (Thursday 15 October 2020; 18:08)

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