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Re: Butterfly (92,530) (92,536) by Will from Australia The Roof and Breakdown were standouts to me where she stepped outside her comfort box. Fourth of July always felt like a lesser imitation of Underneath the Stars, without the same daydreaming essence. Whenever You Call though was the one track that floored me and I had on repeat, even it if is When I Saw You Part II, here it's actually better than its predecessor and I didn't think it needed the redo with BMcK. Outside, again a cheap version of Looking In. Beautiful Ones was a slow burner for me and now one of my faves. But overall when I think of a Mariah album I'd love her to make something now that was similar to, it'd be Daydream rather than Butterfly. (Wednesday 22 January 2020; 02:47)

Vegas (92,535) by Bobby A from United States What is MC planning for this round Vegas shows? I wish she would team up with Trey Songz, Khalid, Ro James for a tour. (Wednesday 22 January 2020; 02:44)

Re: Butterfly (92,528) (92,534) by We are Lambily from USA There is a reason why Mariah find [sic] her most personal album and its [sic] her most cohesive body of work. As the critics, most lambs and music fans love to call it her magnum opus. That album is Mariah on the flesh, Tommy basically controlled Mariahs [sic] sound even though he gave her artistic freedom. Mariah has always loved r&b and hip hop more than pop and that's what most lambs. (No offence mostly older lambs don't seem to get.) The lambs who love pre 96 music love a image/sound Mariah so desperately tried to go from. That's why most people were shocked when came out. But that was the real Mariah all along. I don't wanna hear music Mariah in a way was directed "forced" to make that much even if it's greatness as well which is why I connect with the music after Tommy era more. Because she wanted to be heard. But you are right next album has to be a [sic] uptempo/fun one. She needs to do Spanish remixes, dance remixes. I feel like Mariah the artist spark is back, and trust and believe her vocals will be 100 times better than Caution. It's still there but she finally found her confidence back and it showed on Caution world tour and her Christmas shows. I'm so hopeful for the future. Mariah is not dumb, she knows the artists that's topping the charts and I don't know why she doesn't use them "Harsh but truth." She has way to much musical integrity. I really want her to beat The Beatles. They ain't got nothing on our girl. (Wednesday 22 January 2020; 01:12)

Re: New haircut, maybe, for 2020 (92,515) (92,533) by Susana from USA Yes, I would like to see her have bangs. I love her Honey hairstyle the best, but she has some real winners with bangs too. Here's one with curly hair. Straighter bangs. (Wednesday 22 January 2020; 00:53)

Re: Butterfly (92,530) (92,532) by Licia from USA It's funny because that's how I feel about My All. I prefer Babydoll to that one. Lol. (Wednesday 22 January 2020; 00:24)

Re: Roger (92,509) (92,531) by B from USA She was inspired by those songs and is heard on a demo asking C&C if they're sure their song isn't too similar to that other song and they assured her it was. Since Sony's legal department allowed those songs to be released without crediting. I assume they either didn't see an issue or did but didn't care. As I said in 1990 when Mariah was writing and recording Emotions sampling was in its infancy and if she's sampled a sing since she's given the shes/writers credit. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 19:52)

Re: Butterfly (92,517) (92,530) by Bill from the UK To add, I never thought Honey was a great lead off single (other than the brilliant video). I wouldn't even class it as an up-tempo. It relies on the slow groove/sample so heavily it's virtually tuneless. Same goes for Babydoll. They're the weakest tracks on the album in my opinion, but everything else is a poetic, classy, and sincere effort. That run of Butterfly, My All, The Roof, Fourth of July and Breakdown has never been beaten. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 18:17)

Re: Roger (92,522) (92,529) by Bill from the UK Another re-write of Mariah's history. I'm just going to leave this here. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 14:24)

Re: Butterfly (92,526) (92,528) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Would you say that, whilst Butterfly is undoubtedly great, it's very... serious? There are no real moments of elation, partying or joy. Perhaps that's why it's not everyone favourite despite its significance. I feel the same about Caution. It's very downbeat but without the totally amazing amazingness of Butterfly. Daydream is great because it has powerful moment of happiness. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 14:03)

Re: Some dirt (92,510) (92,527) by Bill from the UK Those emails are absolutely pathetic. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 07:24)

Re: Butterfly (92,517) (92,526) by Bill from the UK I don't disagree with you. Butterfly is a beautiful album lyrically, very poetic. But it's not my favourite album either. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 07:23)

Stripped performance (92,525) by enwar00 from usa I like this performance of We Belong Together. I remember watching other songs performed at that same show like ABMB and loving it. Band was tight, she sounded great, and it was mixed well. Sometimes the mixing can make or break it. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 06:43)

Re: Mariah (92,481) (92,524) by Nikki from usa There were 5. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 06:36)

Re: Where's whining Walter? (92,493) (92,523) by Nikki from usa If you don't care than why write up a post? You don't want to know the facts, but Walter automatically wins? I can't speak for anyone else, but I find Walter's description a bit weird. Several of his initial interviews he claims Mariah already had a "rough draft". He took it and tried to re-produce it. Didn't like it. Tried again, but Mariah decided to stick with her original version. I'm not sure how 2 failed attempts at producing equals a producer's credit, much less a songwriting credit. I'm not sure how Walter "boogy-ing" on the piano turned into a 1960's song. I don't know why a musician who plays the piano would go into a studio to create the music through a soundboard instead of the live music he always records. The studio soundboard are for those who don't have a grasp on instruments. I also can't grasp why Walter claimed she was in an apartment in the Hamptons, where she hasn't lived since before her wedding, when she'd been living in the mansion she wasn't allowed to leave for the past year. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 06:28)

Re: Roger (92,509) (92,522) by Nikki from usa Mariah hasn't had a legit plagiarism suit since Emotions. Those songs remained "stolen" for all of 6 months, but not one of them is for songwriting. You guys like to throw the words "numerous" and "many" around when, in reality, this all came from the same project before she understood copyrights. Music sampling is legal, but when it comes to intellectual property there's proper channels to go through, otherwise it's illegal. That's also a major problem YouTuber's have when they try to spoof songs. However, they weren't under the thumb of numerous executives who chose their singles, but didn't bother to tell them anything about the legal side of things. But, do conveniently pop up to take credit for their success. Nonetheless, Mariah was also the one to reach out to those people to pay for future, present, and past damages. She was the one to reach out to the creator of her Emotions sample and ask what he was hollering about, and then called up the other who had no idea she had sampled their stuff. Had she kept her trap shut, nothing would've happened. She didn't do that. Mariah has also had plenty of (warranted) lawsuits thrown out. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 05:57)

Mariah and Packer (92,521) by Nikki from usa I think Mariah gave up on love after Nick. We've all heard "The Impossible". I don't think she believed she'd find love again. So, then it becomes about finding someone to grow old with and have good conversations for some folks. I do think Packer wanting to pay Mariah to be his wife threw her through a loop. Marrying for companionship is one thing, but it's not supposed to be its own business. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 05:33)

Re: New haircut, maybe, for 2020 (92,515) (92,520) by SM from Citizen of the World I like her hair just the way it is. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 03:18)

Re: Some dirt (92,510) (92,519) by Dove from United States Wow, that's crazy. I'm sure stuff like that really does happen, though, because there is a lot of money at stake. They probably do pay "influencers" to sway people into thinking things are good or bad. Maybe they even go into fan forums and comment sections and post negative comments about every single little thing artists do to try to turn the tide. And it goes both ways. I hate trash talking but the prime example that comes to mind is Jennifer Lopez. Nobody has anything bad to say about her on shows, even Wendy Williams who talks crap about everyone has nothing negative to say about her. Jennifer looks good; has beautiful clothes; and great production in her performances, songs, and videos; but she's not an exceptionally talented singer, songwriter, dancer, actress, or anything. It makes me wonder why she's so exalted. She plays the exact same character in every role and her singing is cringeworthy. There has got to be some money exchanging hands for all this positive press she gets. After I finished writing my last post I went and watched Jennifer Lopez when she was on The Wendy Williams show and she actually does seem like a nice, humble person so I can see why people like her. I really do feel bad for hating on her but at least I don't do it on a Jennifer Lopez fan forum. I love Mariah as an artist and as a person. She's been a part of my life since 1990 when I was 6 or 7 years old. Sometimes she does things I don't love (I Don't video) but eventually I end up appreciating it because I love her. To me all of her albums are timeless masterpieces. That's why I come here. Sidenote: I love Mariah's hair the way it is right now. Please don't change it. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 02:15)

Roger (92,518) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) His issue with MC is that she no longer wants no parts of him, he has had it out for MC since she let Cindi and PMK go from representation, ever since then he has been on a negative campaign, and to add fuel to that when they seen each other at an industry event during the nightmare era, Stella tried to keep him away from Mariah the entire time. Not to mention he claims that he was given the wrong contact information to reach MC. Not to say that MC is above the law but his point in mentioning lawsuits was to discredit MC notice he has not done this to any previous inductees. Again Roger is sucking on sour grapes. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 01:35)

Butterfly (92,517) by Will from Australia Am I the only one who just likes Butterfly but would rather listen to several of her other albums? Like I get the significance of it to her, yada yada, but I just don't rant and rave about it like other lambs do. Don't get me wrong, I love so much of it but I personally don't think it's her best album. Daydream would be my hand in heart perfect album from her but I even prefer Music Box, TEOM, MOAIA and E=MC2 to it. Even Heartbreaker is a better uptempo than Honey to me. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 01:21)

Butterfly vs Caution (92,516) by Dove from United States Butterfly is definitely more poetic than Caution but Caution is great too, in its own way. Mariah doesn't make bad albums. I agree that the songs are about Bryan, Stella, and Packer. I don't even think the Packer thing was even real, in hindsight. He was the rebound guy and he looked good on paper but I doubt she was ever really in love with him. On The Art of Letting Go, I like how parts are kinda clunky. I feel like when you're angry and emotional your thoughts are kinda clunky and jumbled. I thought it was pretty genius that she made it that way. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 01:03)

New haircut, maybe, for 2020 (92,515) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia I was looking at Celine's new hairstyle for her latest album Caution, I mean Courage. Hehe. She looks great with that. So I'm wondering maybe M could do a little touch up to her hair maybe. She's been having that long wavy, curly, straight hair for 30 years already. So it's about time for 2020 she would consider something different. Maybe. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 00:58)

Re: Mariah (92,507) (92,514) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Oh my days, give the Earth a break. It has enough to put up with, what with Greta Thunberg boring everyone to tears with her denying climate change deniers their right to deny, Iran wanting to nuke the very place it calls the holy land and French people striking from striking and going to work for a day. "A cohesive" "body of work" is almost as boring a sentence as that which it probably seeks to describe. "A cohesive body of work" suggests the constituent parts of a thing have, in themselves, no merit, whereas together they make sense and are passable. It's hardly descriptive of a Magnus Opus. Or anything worth leaving your nuclear bunker for. (Tuesday 21 January 2020; 00:01)

Re: Some dirt (92,510) (92,513) by Andrew from the United Kingdom Genuinely dont know or remember who "Roger" is. But let me guess: a jumped-up opinionated queen with no talent save for slagging off people who have it and making themselves known only through their desire to outrage whilst hiding deep insecurity. Lmao. Go on. You know you want to. (Monday 20 January 2020; 23:53)

Re: Mariah (92,481) (92,512) by Andrew from the United Kingdom It's almost as if Mariah thinks she won't be cool if she writes universal lyrics like those in Whenever You Call - which is one of the greatest unknown love songs ever. The part "and lifted me insi-ide, by showing me yourself uhhhuhhhnnndiisssguised" is a prime example of the restraint, confidence and depth that Mariah had that Celine and Whitney did not. But Mariah has, now, for half her career, resorted to trite lyrics. We have had "kitchen windows", "half past four", "teddy bears" twice in one album, and, oh I dunno, something about doritos maybe, and so on. She's listened to the radio, she's parlez'd you francais, she's sprayed you with Windex. There seems little doubt that Mariah is trying to be clever and down with the kidz and it is surely old now. Adele doesn't sell bucket loads by spouting such shite. She sings about meaningful things that people connect with. Meanwhile back at the condo, Mariah is telling people to get the [censored] out with their shit. The lyrical mastery has become lyrical awkwardness. So awkward it comes across as the lyrical equivalence of dad-jokes. Whatever happened to universal lyrics? They have universal appeal. As in, they speak to everyone and stand the test of time. (Monday 20 January 2020; 23:50)

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