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Re: E=MC2 era (92,162) (92,164) by We are Lambily from USA Tommy was great for her career, because he was the head of one of the most successful/iconic labels. What an artist truly needs is money and resources to succeed. Mariah had that, he gave her what she wanted. A chance to be heard and seen. This was her dream basically her whole life. One would call her a genius just for that. People are over 30 and still don’t have any real goals in life. Goals plus opportunity’s [sic] plus hard work is success. Mariah had that too. And she achieved every single one of her dreams. Such a inspiring sweet human being. (Sunday 5 January 2020; 17:36)

Re: E=MC2 era (92,160) (92,163) by RibbonB from USA LMAO, you guys are going off the rails early in 2020. (Sunday 5 January 2020; 17:11)

Re: E=MC2 era (92,157) (92,162) by Chicago Lamb from USA I agree with you Will. Tommy knew what he was doing and he made sure her star shined bright. As much as she complains about their personal relationship, he was great for her career. I do get the sense Mariah feels she would have been just as huge without him. For instance when she says Warner Bros was working out a deal or the fact that the demo had all these #1 hits on it already. It's difficult to contemplate hypotheticals but she does live a grateful life, and I'm sure probably wouldn't change a thing. (Sunday 5 January 2020; 16:11)

Mariah (92,161) by We are Lambily from USA Mariah outsold Eminem, nobody cares about his inflated sales that are non existing. Most sites says he sold over 170 million. Some even say 100 million since most of his sales can't even be found. Also most of them are streams or whatever. Same thing with Rihanna, she is in top 5 of best selling artists of all time. Let's not forget Mariah sold 1.6 billion units in Asia, those numbers aren't included in her counting, most of her albums haven't been certified since their releases. This year will be the year where Mariah certificate her own stuff. (Sunday 5 January 2020; 16:09)

Re: E=MC2 era (92,159) (92,160) by T from USA I agree. The whole era right down the quick marriage was weird and I don't think she had the right people around her. Loosing Sudack could have made her go off the rails a little bit combined with her feeling like she was untouchable. It stared there and then Obsessed and then Idol and it seemed like the attitude kept escalating. Until her second breakdown on New Years 2016. (Sunday 5 January 2020; 16:06)

Re: E=MC2 era (92,157) (92,159) by RibbonB from USA All that conjecture over shades? LMAO. (Sunday 5 January 2020; 15:22)

Re: New album (92,156) (92,158) by Bill from the UK It probably has a lot to do with older generations being all but barred from engaging with music. Take my mum, who is in her sixties. She bought music all the during her life into the early 2000s. With the closure of record stores, High Street stockists no longer stocking physical music, physical singles all but obsolete, she has no means of knowing what is out there, or what there is to buy. She would walk into a long gone shop like Woolworths, and browse the albums and singles and might see a single from an artist she's following that she didn't know had been released, or an album, and buy it. Now it is all on your phone and streamable, neither of which she really does, so she just plays what she has and listens to radio stations that play that music. Times change, and this is how the industry has gone. When these millennials are in their 50s, providing something new doesn't come along that isolates them like streaming did to most of the boomers, I'm sure we'll be seeing Taylor Swift and Justin Bieber's records charting when they are older. It's just we are in this transition where the top half of the population can't contribute, so it's all dominated by the younger crowd. (Sunday 5 January 2020; 14:53)

E=MC2 era (92,157) by Will from Australia Disclaimer: I'm about to say something that could be perceived as negative, but hey, it's a message board and so forgive me for thinking that as a fan this was somewhere I could feel comfortable in voicing such satanical thoughts. So after that tangent, I just watched a clip from the E=MC2 era where Mariah was onstage singing in large dark sunglasses inside a studio and realized this was actually a reoccurring thing during that era and as far as I'm aware not a medically required condition. I think this was actually the start of her losing touch with the general public after the success of the Emancipation, she came across like it went all to her head and the sunglasses kinda gave that impression IMO and really through shade onto her comeback. Complete turnaround now to having her new management team always keeping her in line to what the public and the fans want. As much as Tommy did wrong privately, I reckon he was right to keep Mariah's eccentricities under some governance early days so she couldn't ruin her image by being herself. Match. Lit. Go. (Sunday 5 January 2020; 13:23)

Re: New album (92,139) (92,156) by Timothy from USA Andrew: Although you make valid counterpoints, is it not a reasonable observation that the top of the charts in the 70s and 80s had a lot more middle aged singers (both male and female)? *This is not meant to be antagonist* I just want to be clear about the underlying sentiment for the ageism argument. (Sunday 5 January 2020; 03:43)

Mariah's original Christmas in one album for 2020 (92,155) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia By the end of the year of 2020, if the Billboard does not change the current rules, AIWFCIY may be able to top the Hot 100 chart again. So I would hope to help promote the song, might as well Mariah would compile all the original songs written and produced by her in one album, plus one or two new songs. The trackslist as below: 1. All I Want For Christmas Is You 2. Oh Santa 3. Christmas Time Is In The Air 4. Miss You Most At Christmas Time 5. When Christmas Comes 6. Jesus Born On This Day 7. One Child 8. Lil Snowman 9. The Star 10. Where Are You Christmas 11. New song 12. New song (Sunday 5 January 2020; 01:48)

Ticket sells (92,154) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) We are definitely in a different time, and era touring is a major way for many artists to make a living besides side projects because album sells have continued to diminish throughout the last decade. Honestly a lot of these newer artists are trying to keep their money flowing just as established artists are trying to do. But we should not compare an established artist like M to Ariana because there fan bases are two different demographics, and even if we compared them at 26 it would be unfair because it is two different eras and Ariana will never see those sells numbers because they will never happen in the music industry again. But there is room for both. (Saturday 4 January 2020; 22:30)

Re: I Had A Vision Of Love (92,146) (92,153) by Andrew from the United Kingdom I think Mariah's autobiography should be based upon positivity and not become another woe-is-me fest. She's done that and it's old. I think it should relate bad times but be spun positively and try to inspire people. The best autobiographies do, e.g., Richard Branson, Nelson Mandela (we_are_lambily - these are examples of "books"). Mariah is obviously very poetical and has written a plethora of insightful and inspiring songs, so the book should be like that. It should make young women strive to make something of themselves rather than listening to snowflakes tell them not to bother trying because they will always be held back. That was always her strongest message. She needs to look inside herself and find it again (ha). If the marketing of the book is simply "Mariah reveals shocking things about some people who did some stuff in the past - get the latest shock snippet here, folks" then it will turn people away from her. She has an opportunity to put out something as profound and inspiring as some of her songs. She should grasp that opportunity. "Looking In" is a good song, but rather depressing. "Prepare To Fly" - I'm telling ya, a stone winner. (Saturday 4 January 2020; 22:10)

Re: New album (92,145) (92,152) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "Depending on wheter [sic] you watch CNN or Fox News, you have two different mindsets." (You base your viewpoint on which news channel you have allegiance to? Read some books, kid.) "And the fact that he tried to dismiss the pay gap is laughable." (Read books? You can't even read posts. I referred to the fact that the majority of respected economists have debunked the politically-approved theory of the gender pay gap citing different choices man and women make. E.g. education, physicality of positions, years of experience, hours worked, not taking breaks to raise children, and so on. Seriously, read posts properly. And read some books.) "Mariah has nothing left to prove." (Vacant people like you often have stated this. And it's true. She doesn't have anything to prove but only if she doesn't want to sell records and concert tickets, again. If she does, then she absolutely has to prove herself worth the expense.) "[T]he fact that she is more successful than every male artist is enough for me." (Ugh. I believe Eminem has sold more than Mariah despite releasing his first song 9 years after VOL. Ed Sheeran has sold 3/4 of her sales despite releasing his first song under a decade ago. I believe this to be fairly accurate. But who care about accuracy around here?) (Saturday 4 January 2020; 21:59)

Re: Madonna accuses BBC of ageism (92,148) (92,151) by Andrew from the United Kingdom "The vast majority of people who like Madonna, who like her music now, are over 30 and frankly, we’ve moved on from Madonna.” Some people on this board are rather simple. Madonna is calling the radio station sexist. The point in this quote reiterates what I stated. The radio stations play to their demographics. If Madonna wants to throw around accusations of "-isms" I suggest she do it to British people between the ages of 16 and 30 (to whom the radio station is aimed). Because it is they who do not want to hear Madonna's awful new music. If they did, BBC Radio1 would play it. But Madonna won't do that. She hasn't got the balls. (Saturday 4 January 2020; 21:48)

Article: Carey struggling to sell tickets in Las Vegas (92,150) by Betty from Canada Oh, and of course, I forgot to mention that they also will have to factor in inflation if they do try to compare Mariah's world tour numbers from way back then to Ariana's world tour numbers now. Anyway, shame on the person who wrote this low quality article on Radar Online. (Saturday 4 January 2020; 21:15)

Article: Carey struggling to sell tickets in Las Vegas (92,149) by Betty from Canada First of all, I don't think it is fair to compare a world tour with a Las Vegas residency. Nor is it far to compare artists that are so far apart in the length of their careers like Ariana and Mariah. They should compare Mariah's residency numbers with other Las Vegas residencies or Ariana's world tour numbers to Mariah's world tour numbers when she was Ariana's age (Saturday 4 January 2020; 20:59)

Madonna accuses BBC of ageism (92,148) by 123 from USA Ima leave this right here. Funny how Madonna and her manager, who are in the industry, state differently than people's imagination around here. (Saturday 4 January 2020; 20:57)

Not for long (92,147) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) After all the great things that happened to Mariah to end the year, and a decade that saw a lot of twists and turns to say the least. I see that our dysfunctional family is back to being an angry, and negative majority again. It is sad when it becomes the supporters who are betting against you many times after feeling like you have to prove yourself constantly as Mariah does mostly all the time. We are not going to like or love everything that Mariah does, however we do not have to continue to be apart of the negative circus either. As long as she gives us great music which is what we love for in the first place what she decides to do in her personal life outside of entertainment we should allow her to live her life as long as she is happy, and healthy, and more importantly that her children are doing well and she is being the best mother to them that she is allowed, and blessed to be. (Saturday 4 January 2020; 20:48)

Re: I Had A Vision Of Love (92,132) (92,146) by Bill from the UK I don't think it's necessarily a bad title. Vision of Love means so much to Mariah. It's virtually the only number she sings 100% live to this day, and is always on her setlists. She said whenever she sings it, it transports her back to those early days, and the feeling of optimism she had ("sweet destiny" indeed). The song was a thank you letter to God for helping her succeed "in finding the place I conceived". And as she wrote in the Emotions album liner notes, when thanking God for her success and talent, "I'll be eternally grateful, holding you so close to me." It's what started it all. The first song she wrote after getting her record deal, written in celebration and gratefulness, it was the song that introduced the world to her unbridled talent, and started what would be an incredibly long and successful career. I was gritting my teeth thinking she'd call it "Memoirs of an elusive chanteuse" or something along those lines, so I'm not upset if this does "turn out to be" the title. But, there are plenty of other options that would work. I would have simply called it "Looking In". (Saturday 4 January 2020; 17:23)

Re: New album (92,139) (92,145) by We are Lambily from USA There is no point in tryna convince someone like Andrew, America proves that best. Depending on wheter [sic] you watch CNN or Fox News, you have two different mindsets. Sexism is proven in every male dominated work field. And the fact that he tried to dismiss the pay gap is laughable. Mariah has nothing left to prove and the fact that she is more successful than every male artist is enough for me. Queen of music and Michael Jackson is the king. (Saturday 4 January 2020; 16:39)

Re: Article: Carey struggling to sell tickets in Las Vegas (92,142) (92,144) by RibbonB from USA I threw it because I knew you would. But let's try to "be best" in the new year. We have a whole nut in the Casa Blanca, there is so much more to consider like WWIII. (Saturday 4 January 2020; 15:59)

Re: New album (92,138) (92,143) by MusicfanJ from Germany Yup, great post. Very long, but it was interesting to read. Everything was on point. Thumbs up. (Saturday 4 January 2020; 13:44)

Re: Article: Carey struggling to sell tickets in Las Vegas (92,127) (92,142) by Licia from USA I caught all that shade Ribbon and I loved it. Lmao. (Saturday 4 January 2020; 12:02)

Correction (92,141) by Dove from United States And now I know I've succeeded in finding the place I conceived. (Saturday 4 January 2020; 11:52)

Re: I Had A Vision Of Love (92,135) (92,140) by Andrew from the United Kingdom *** Preparing To Fly: Notes That Need To Be Sung A Memoir by Mariah Carey *** The title "Preparing To Fly" obviously references Butterfly. But it's also very self-help-y and positive. As is the byline, "Notes That Need To Be Sung" - obviously referencing music, but also the memoir being literal notes on momentous events in her life. That they "need to be sung" adds an air of intrigue as the stories have not yet been told but must be heard. It references Mariah's songs and music career, her desire to reveal truths as she sees them, but also suggests you can learn from her story yourself in a self-help manner. I swear I should be on Mariah's staff. Or perhaps just get some sleep. (Saturday 4 January 2020; 04:32)

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