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Re: J.Lo and Mariah (83,450) (83,468) by MusicfanJ from Germany Instagram means almost nothing. Mariah's behavior with the diva image may be hated by most of the people but musically she's respected because of her 90ies legendary albums and singles for all time. There will never be another artist like Mariah. Even if she releases another "Infinity" or "I don't". To compare Mariah with J.Lo is impossible. J.Lo was perfect as the background-dancer for the Janet Jackson. She's beautiful and can dance, but her voice is a joke. If she wasn't pretty and clever in businesses no one would know her. Even if the whole world would "follow" her on the internet, she will never ever be a true artist. Just a performer. (Friday 24 August 2018; 22:25)

Re: JLo (83,460) (83,467) by TheOne from UK It was an inherently stupid question, given the nature of the board, who it is dedicated to, and the sheer wealth of Mariah’s legacy, even if she has tarnished it in recent years. (Friday 24 August 2018; 18:41)

Re: JLo (83,464) (83,466) by RibbonB from USA Mariah doesn't seem to go back to her roots because she seems rootless. But you don't know that she promised anyone a house. She is still friends with at least one of her old friends and we have no idea how she may or may not have helped her or any other former friends or family. (Friday 24 August 2018; 17:31)

Re: JLo (83,460) (83,465) by CDC from CA After having a good chuckle, I sent your inquiry to a colleague who is as close to a pop culture expert as there exists (she also has a TED talk on gossip) and this is what she sent: I always found the comparison to be absurd, and the reasons why they are linked even though their thrones are propped on totally different planets are: 1) one fececiously denied the existence of the other fifteen years ago on camera; 2) they are women; 3) they are women of colour. I would trust that the public would know the difference between Mimi and Jennifer like we know the difference between Kim Kardashian and Ella Fitzgerald, but then again, this is the same public that couldn't differentiate a more consequential pairing like Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. To put it simply: Mimi, for the first third of her career, thrived on her genuine, divinely-annointed talent, and is currently resting on her laurels (as all proper legends end up having to do), while Jennifer has been and continues to be a hustler. If we ran a poll on the streetcar right now, I'm pretty sure it would go something like: "Mariah Carey? I love Always Be My Baby. Jennifer Lopez? I saw her on TV last night and she was smoking hot." You can see where my point is there. And if the public were to "respect" any one of these qualities over another, it would be Jennifer's navigation of the celebrity labyrinth. And you're right, she does it with more finesse as Mimi does with more cheese. Do I think the Mimi persona is a turnoff for the public? No. We've become more open minded than that, especially for those who've already proven their worth in talent even if the bar has been significantly lowered in recent years. After all, it was us, the public, that put a porn star on the cover of Vogue. But more about the Mimi image: if you squint a little harder at her career, in the b-list, misguided efforts craving coolness and street-cred, you can still see the outsider she's been singing about for decades. It's her makeshift attempts at the JLo hustle that compares to Jennifer's industrial complex, which the public can see through. But if you think about it, the stars with the *truest artistic talents* have never found their comfortable place on the celebrity chessboard. They either retreat into hiding (David Bowie, Prince, Aretha Franklin) or completely self destruct (Billie Holiday, Maria Callas, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston). And while it seemed like their litmus public rating plummeted, eventually we always come around. (Friday 24 August 2018; 17:13)

Re: JLo (83,457) (83,464) by ADAM from USA I disagree with your opinion. While I am a fan of both women, I think it's more than disrespectful to dismiss JLo's career and legacy to being a carbon copy of someone else. Mariah is a different talent and legacy that is unique from what JLo's career and legacy represents. Some examples of this would be what Madonna and Cher are to our wider culture. The main point is that everyone has a peak moment when they are hot and everyone ultimately fades into obscurity at some point. I think that Mariah has been less than smart to publicly dismiss JLo the way she has. While Mariah has created gif worthy moments, she in a wider sense only looks insecure and petty. It diminishes her talent and intellect unfortunately. All she has to do is say her talent is legit and separate from what MC does. Two different things. Both legitimate. Funny enough, I think the two would be really good friends if MC was able to be real again. But MC is far from "Riah" the Brenda K Starr days, the girl from Long Island, NYC whatever. She wouldn't know what's real and in touch if it were next to her. Such a shame because Brenda K Starr is still that real NYC girl from back in the day and Mariah pays her dust. I don't know how she "sings" I Still Believe and not make things right with that woman. Can you imagine the woman responsible for your break at stardom and you pay her no dues? Where's the house you promised her? Mariah never goes back to her roots to pay her respect. (Friday 24 August 2018; 16:34)

Re: Ariana Grande - Sweetener (83,405) (83,463) by darrian liu from taiwan Really late post, but I agree. Sweetener was really uneven, but there are still gems in it. God is a Woman, hands down, is the best top 40 single ever released this year. Loved the vocals, the visuals, the beat, everything. No Tears Left to Cry was a really good pop song with pretty boring lyrics. R.E.M is actually a Beyoncé track called Wake Up for her self-titled album, but was eventually scrapped for the album. Ari heard the song, kept the hook and revamped a lot of the verses. Bey's version is superior, but Ari's version is still a song I really really enjoy. I actually didn't really enjoy Pharrell's contribution in it, aside from Blazed and The Light is Coming, but I feel like they could eventually grow on me. Goodnight n Go and Better Off were good, Get Well Soon is basically Honeymoon Avenue's stripped down sister, and if her team doesn't release Breathin as her next single, I would throw a fit. I found myself enjoying Dangerous Woman more, but I think I get why you compared Sweetener to Daydream. Daydream was the album in which Mariah started to introduce new sounds into her songs. Sweetener is also a "transition" album where Ari experiments with new styles and sounds, although while Mariah smoothly incorporates those sounds in Daydream to create a masterpiece, Sweetener is more rough around the edges, with a more hit-or-miss result, more uneven. It is, however, a sign of artistic growth for Ari, and I couldn't be more proud of her. (Friday 24 August 2018; 15:59)

Mariah's image (83,462) by darrian liu from taiwan Currently, Mariah's image is taking baby steps towards the better. However, there's still a long way to go. The majority of the GP categorizes her as a legend who used to be great. She still needs to reintroduce herself to the younger crowd and as often as we say that she has nothing left to prove, in reality, she still has a lot to prove. Maybe the phrase "nothing let to prove" was applicable back in 2005, but it's 2018 now. Whether we like it or not, the incidents in 2014 and 2016 still affected her reputation to the younger crowd who did not witness her in her prime. What she needs to do is to prove that yeah, her voice has changed, but it's still a force to be reckoned with. The Butterfly Returns sadly is not a widespread event (which is a shame, because it featured some of her best in recent years). She needs a televised performance, maybe just like what Ariana just did with God is a Woman on GMA. I really want to see her on top again. (Friday 24 August 2018; 15:43)

Re: Wow (83,454) (83,461) by Andrew from UK Agreed. Mariah wearing the floral dresses at home and in the studio make her look very natural and relaxed and emphasize her natural beauty. However she needs to sack that make-up artist and go back to natural, softer tones. She often looks like a hooker with all that slap on. I am perplexed as to why she thinks she needs it. The ball gowns, the diamonds and the inch thick make up are really old now. I sometimes think Mariah has been playing "Mariah Carey" the caricature for so long now she's frightened that if she doesn't she will be forgotten. Where I think the polar opposite is the reality. (Friday 24 August 2018; 15:21)

JLo (83,460) by Andrew from UK Essentially this turned into another Lopez bashing. The question concerned Mariah potentially being as respected as JLo is were she to have behaved in the same ways. JLo is respected and revered whether you like her music or not, whether she sold less than Mariah or not. I personally find her grating but the industry and wider public do not whereas Mariah has made most of the planet go off her with her antics. Dress up "waaa I hate JLo she copied Mariah waaa" with as much erudition as you can muster but it completely misses the point. (Friday 24 August 2018; 15:13)

Re: JLo (83,457) (83,459) by Chicago Lamb from USA Mariah hasn't been the only, shall we say "contributor" to JLo's early music career. There was also Ashanti, Chante Moore, among others I'm sure. (Friday 24 August 2018; 14:27)

Re: JLo (83,457) (83,458) by Tijl from Belgium Bloody well written. We indeed live in a time where mediocrity is applauded and regarded as the standard. It still blows my mind that a creature with the likes of Kim Kardashian, basically a non-talent, has managed to become a superstar. It blatantly portrays the decline in what the general public perceives as exciting and inspirational. (Friday 24 August 2018; 13:10)

JLo (83,457) by CDC from CA I always feel kind of bad when I have negative things to say about JLo but as harsh as it sounds, her entire musical career was forged only to malign Mariah's by carbon copying and even flat out plagiarizing Mariah's material and musical template. The similarities in the direct descendants of Mariah's musical legacy (ie. Aguilera, Leona Lewis, Grande, etc.) are one thing, but the JLo situation is entirely unique (because of the Mottolla involvement) as she was used as a pawn, if not to maliciously defer Mariah's commercial prowess, than to fill the void left when she drifted from the clout of corporate uppers. JLo certainly deserves credit for keeping her name in the public's consciousness in a way, than say, Toni Braxton or Shania Twain haven't been able to do with the same finesse, but her ubiquity just comes across as cheap: a jack of all trades, master of none. And these recent years' showing of establishment appreciation for JLo's career just proves that no matter how much mediocrity you put out there to public indifference, if you hang in there long enough, you'll eventually get your trophy. (Friday 24 August 2018; 08:40)

Re: Article: Mariah Carey canceled tour to avoid James Packer? (83,452) (83,456) by Cali from USA Nothing to do with Packer but it may be tied to ongoing legal battle with the former manager's demand to have a percentage for gigs booked while employed by Mariah. (Friday 24 August 2018; 06:12)

JLo (83,455) by Gee from U.S.A. (New York City) Other than her followers she is not more respected, she is only important by what she wears [censored]. Her music is not fearing any better as her last album sold less than MC's. Also she had two of music's most popular artists right now on her latest song and it went nowhere. Her team hawks her to no end and at this point they are doing any everything to see what sticks. She was hot because she came into the mainstream off the back of the Latin explosion and she worked with Murder Inc when they were the it crowd helping to further her hip hop reach. Other than that she is average at best. (Thursday 23 August 2018; 23:55)

Wow (83,454) by Bill from the UK I have to say, that pic of Mariah on the staircase is beautiful. She is looking so good lately. (Thursday 23 August 2018; 23:28)

Re: J.Lo and Mariah (83,450) (83,453) by Tijl from Belgium Once again... Mariah requires a certain taste while J-Lo is more mainstream. I wonder if her 70 million followers realize what La Lopez concocted with the help of Mottola? Pushing her career by debunking the of another artist. Very down to earth indeed. (Thursday 23 August 2018; 20:46)

Article: Mariah Carey canceled tour to avoid James Packer? (83,452) by 90sMariah from SG Cmon. We all know the real reason for the Aus/NZ tour cancellation isn't because of the Australian Shrek, it's due to poor ticket sales. Even her Singapore tour isn't doing so great from the looks of it. Most of the tickets aren't sold out, except for the VIP. (Thursday 23 August 2018; 19:24)

Re: Image overhaul - is it working? (83,445) (83,451) by RibbonB from USA Silence does not particularly mean a more favorable perception. And you are forgetting about the many fans who stopped giving a whole F about Miss M. But go off. This new team is putting bigger, maybe better band-aids in the boo boos that our diva co created. There is still the reckoning to come though. In all of that I do hope Mimi is actually getting therapy. Where could she find the time? (Thursday 23 August 2018; 18:44)

J.Lo and Mariah (83,450) by Lara from Middle East J.Lo is loved because she's relatable and down to earth. It has nothing to do with respect. Maria on the other side, because of her Mariah-isms will never reach the love Jennifer is getting (just check their Instagrams, 7 millions vs 70 millions followers) but even the ones mocking her cannot not respect her. (Thursday 23 August 2018; 13:48)

Re: JLo (83,444) (83,449) by TheOne from UK J.Lo is well liked, and it's not hard to see why, I do agree. I also agree that Mariah is mocked, and it's often her own fault. When people refer to J.Lo, I rarely see them refer to her talent. Whereas, with Mariah, despite the voice fading, people still have some respect for what was, especially for that first 10 years of her career. I just don't think like and respect are one and the same, but that's just my opinion. It's fine to disagree, which is also an unpopular opinion on this board lol. (Thursday 23 August 2018; 09:53)

Re: JLo (83,443) (83,448) by TheOne from UK It's an opinion, just because you don't like it, that doesn't make it unfair. If that's the case, you could argue that saying J.Lo has more respect than Mariah is an unfair statement. Mariah has five Grammies, and last time I checked, that was five more than J.Lo. However, I don't think it's unfair to make that claim. I'm merely responding and giving my opinion to that claim. There's nothing unfair about that. (Thursday 23 August 2018; 09:25)

Re: JLo (83,437) (83,447) by 90sMariah from SG That's because much like Beyoncé, JLo is a perfectionist performer who takes charge and puts a lot of effort in performing. She doesn't half-ass her performances and also doesn't wear just gowns that make her look matronly. Plus, she still looks young and that appeals to the younger crowd. Furthermore, she has a better public image compared to some. She may not be a good singer, but that's alright, because she's a joy to watch and she doesn't look like a heavily medicated couch that needs to be propped and be assisted to move around on stage. (Thursday 23 August 2018; 07:08)

VMA'S (83,446) by Mara from United States The homage from JLo to Tommy was interesting. I didn't watch but saw the clips on instagram. Thoughts of Glitter popped in my head. Hoping MC releases something good soon and glad she paid the VMA'S no mind with her pics in the studio. I think we are all thirsty for new MC music. Interesting how Thou that shall not be named has been vacationing at MC's fav places including the "grotto", and then a radar Tanaka story. Such spitefullness. Glad MC is in the Bahamas in a yacht enjoying life with family and friends before the Vegas shows and hopefully the album or single release. She needs to show the Arianna's and Jlowwws who started it all. Please MC and also, please please please why the wait on the Beacon release dates? I would love to plan and have something to look forward to right now. They will sell, please release the Beacon dates. (Thursday 23 August 2018; 05:40)

Image overhaul - is it working? (83,445) by Marissa from USA Do you all think the general public is perceiving Mariah more favorably post-Stella/her bipolar admission? In other words, how often are you guys having to defend Mariah to your friends, family and trolls online these days? From what I've seen the difference is noticeable. Every time I go on her Instagram the comments are predominantly nice and encouraging. I haven't heard people trashing her in everyday conversation. I just love this era. She is hardcore in the studio, ignoring Satan - oops - I mean Stella's idle threats, seems happy and grounded, and is spending a lot of time with her kids without distractions. Shoutout to her real (caps) team and everyone at Roc Nation that is actually invested in her reputation and success. Can't wait to hear the new album. She is back into music mode and is not coming to play. (Thursday 23 August 2018; 03:57)

Re: JLo (83,442) (83,444) by Andrew from UK From where I sit, J.Lo is not an artist mocked or laughed at or criticised heavily. She is revered. Especially as the preeminent Latina artist in the world. And she's of passable quality as an actress, arguably. I am not sure where you are coming from. Unfortunately Mariah has overshadowed her music and her musical accomplishments with a seemingly desperate sexuality, a needing girly vanity, a more than irritating interview style, a shady attitude and lipsync and airbrush incidents. She is, at least from where I sit, a rather mocked person. Despite having created a body of work that is unparalleled to this day. So my point was merely about respect that the artist gets. J.Lo seems to get it. Mariah does not. From where I sit. (Thursday 23 August 2018; 00:55)

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