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Re: Her voice back (99,188) (99,190) by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Thursday 16 December 2021; 16:34)
I don't think it has shown any type of improvement with her new recordings from Somewhat Loved to BCPCH this year. They both have been so inconsistent from one to the other. I listened to Somewhat Loved and it seems so auto-tuned in some parts. MC gave no live Christmas performances this holiday season on network TV. I don't want to think that she is done recording full albums, but it is looking that way now. Maybe I am wrong. I still love me some MC and nothing will ever change that. I will just cherish her first four albums for showcasing her in prime vocal state. She was the vocal queen back in the early 90s.
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Re: Change (99,187) (99,189) by Terna from Nigeria
(Thursday 16 December 2021; 13:56)
"Nodules" Bill, that's the main reason she's experienced all these issues, and they get worse with time, thus the rasp in her upper belts that wasn't there before nor the airiness since the "Daydream" era. And yes I have pointed that out too, her quality became thinner and more "metallic" or "silvery". That quality is the early onset of the airiness we hear on "Butterfly" a direct result of newly developed nodules, compounded by a heavy world tour back to back from 1996 to 2000. If she had slowed down between '97 and '99, I think Mariah would've saved her voice or at least maintained the "Merry Christmas" sound. I feel she should have vocal surgery but that in itself is scary. She may loose the whistle register and there goes the ability to sing half her repertoire. Devil and deep sea.
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Her voice back (99,188) by Edward from USA
(Thursday 16 December 2021; 13:27)
Mariah said in an interview that she won't tour again because she got her voice back. What do you guys think about that? Do you actually think her voice has shown any type of improvement?
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Re: Change (99,185) (99,187) by Bill from the UK
(Thursday 16 December 2021; 09:17)
I don't think I mentioned Barbra did I? Maybe I did lol. But my point is Mariah's was likely more cosmetic rather than medical, and there's plenty out there where people have said reshaping, even subtle, has impacted their singing voice. The original question was why does her voice sound different on Daydream, and Daydream was before the alcohol and marijuana era, and all she'd had done in 1995 was her first small breast augmentation and her first small rhinoplasty, so this is why I don't think you can rule those things out completely. But then yes, her voice got progressively worse until a small bounce back in the early 00s, then a massive, shocking decline after TEOM, and now she can't really sing at all without it being a Frankenstein of auto tune, reverb, digital pitching and splicing and pasting.
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Re: Change (99,185) (99,186) by RibbonB from USA
(Thursday 16 December 2021; 02:17)
You specifically referred to Morgan by saying he confirmed that since the divorce she has consumed lots of alcohol, I'm paraphrasing you. You didn't say which divorce, but any fan and many others have seen her with a goblet in hand far too often, so what is he confirming, that she drinks a lot? He specifically said in those Radar interviews that he hasn't seen her without a glass since at least 2001, years after the first divorce. But in reality we don't know how much she drinks, or how many surgeries she has had. It is just all speculation.
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Re: Change (99,184) (99,185) by RJJ12 from USA
(Thursday 16 December 2021; 00:22)
@Bill I was referring to Barbara [sic]. She def had a nose job. A subtle, tasteful one but she def had one (or more) - lol. When you get a nose job they don't go obstructing the air passages. The main reason for any nose surgery is to help with breathing. Not just cosmetic. It's just now become more common that it's done for cosmetic reasons than to help with breathing. Here is an article that further discusses my vantage point.

@Ribbon. None of that is opinion based. Rhinoplasties help with breathing. Here is another article specifically discussing that alcohol dries out the chords and will render one incapable of hitting high notes.

And I don't like Morgan either. I think he is a horrible human being for selling out his sister's secrets to [...] for a couple dollars just because she cut him off, but nothing he has said has been a lie (yet and that can be proven one way or another). He was right in regards to her bi polar diagnosis, and I'm shocked she didn't sue him for releasing her PHI (personal health information). I may not have been as nice as her, but I understand that the stress of a lawsuit just isn't worth it.
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Re: Change (99,178) (99,184) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 19:20)
Haha. Am I? I don't think I am. Anyway, Google search quickly indicates lots of people who say a nose job impacted their singing, some for the better, some for the worse. Most report no effect. You're right it won't impact the vocal chord, but singing incorporates more than just that. It's the diaphragm, the lungs, the mouth, the nose, the chords etc.
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Re: Change (99,177) (99,183) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 19:16)
Lol, you think When I Saw You isn't sung completely through her nose? It's the most brassy song on the album.
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Re: Here We Go Around Again as the 5th single (99,175) (99,182) by Victoria from USA
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 18:04)
That is not a number one song. I like it, but nope.
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Re: Change (99,176) (99,181) by RibbonB from USA
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 17:11)
It's all opinion about her voice, rhinoplasty, drinking, boob jobs. All hypothetical and speculation. So invoking Morgan's name in the mix doesn't add validity. IMO.
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Re: Change (99,162) (99,180) by RJJ12 from USA
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 15:12)
@TJ from Norway. [Barbra] may have said that but it's not true. Unless you get a Michael Jackson nose where they make it so small, air can't pass through, no plastic surgeon is going to cause an obstruction of the airways. Plus [Barbra] did her a nose job. It's just not that noticeable because it was a very tasteful one. Google [Barbra] Streisand nose job and there are plenty before and after photos of a slightly shorter nose. Lol. Don't believe these celebrities when they say they will never get work done. They all have, do, and will continue to because they are in the limelight.
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Re: Change (99,165) (99,179) by RJJ12 from USA
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:56)
@Randy. Glad you are back. It's funny because I am saying the same exact thing you are. And it's not a theory, it's fact. It's been chronicled throughout her career. People blaming it on a nose job which does not affect the chords or a boob job. If that was the case, then Toni Braxton would have lost her voice. Whitney got a boob job too and she didn't lose her voice lol.
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Re: Change (99,170) (99,178) by RJJ12 from USA
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:53)
@Bill. How are you agreeing with Randy when he said the same thing I did? Lol. The exact same thing.
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Re: Change (99,170) (99,177) by RJJ12 from USA
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:52)
@Bill. Nasal where? She was never nasal in the 90s. Her voice was darker and heavier on the first album only. It got lighter after that but it was because the type of music she was singing changed from a very soulful sound on the first record to a more contemporary approach on Daydream.
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Re: Change (99,174) (99,176) by RJJ12 from USA
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:49)
@Ribbon he was referring to Tommy not Nick, he was clear on that. He was like certainty after the breakdown, which Mariah confirmed in the book. They both confirmed it so it's not my opinion.
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Here We Go Around Again as the 5th single (99,175) by Rashidi Rahim Rick from Malaysia
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 14:33)
If only the song would be included in the debut album, and released as the fifth single after I Don't Wanna Cry. I'm sure it would've reached number one just like the other singles and Mariah would be the first female to have 5 number one singles from one album. Just imagine the video for There's Got To Be A Way be used for Here We Go Around Again. The song fits nicely to be the second uptempo single or sequel to Someday.
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Re: Change (99,167) (99,174) by RibbonB from USA
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 11:05)
Well that's who he was referring to in that 2013, I believe, video. He referred to Nick by name. And even claimed she drank through the pregnancy. You didn't mentioned the year or the husband. But yeah, I referred to the one he last mentioned. Your opinion, or anyone elses probably holds as much weight as his does on matters of MC though.
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Re: Change (99,165) (99,173) by MusicfanJ from Germany
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 10:38)
That's really a good theory. Sounds very logical. If you think about the reason that MC felt like a prisoner, while finally "free", it all started as you mentioned.
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Re: Change (99,162) (99,172) by MusicfanJ from Germany
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 10:24)
That's very smart from Miss Streisand. I will never understand how a natural beauty like Mariah could risk and loose her voice because of things that were not necessary. I mean if you have the best voice in the world how can you risk it? Of course every day tea sounds boring, and I don't think sometimes a good glass of wine would be super bad for a voice. But smoke and surgery just no. But yes, it is what it is. Sadly.
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Re: "Dem Burgers" (99,158) (99,171) by Dennis from The Netherlands
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 10:06)
She is a mom. She has children. She needs to bring food to the table. She isn't pretending to be holier than thou. They reached out to her and they were nice people.
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Re: Change (99,165) (99,170) by Bill from the UK
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 09:07)
Yeh it's not the falsetto element I'm talking about. It's more the change in her tone from a somewhat thick, darker tone to one that was more nasal and thin. Listen to her sing America the Beautiful at the NBA finals. When she sings "fruited plain" and the final "shining sea", it's almost like her vocals are stacked/layered but they aren't. She just had an incredibly rich tone. It disappeared in 1995. It's nowhere on Daydream, and songs like When I Saw You and I Am Free really are noticeably nasal and different to anything prior. I love the theories Randy.
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Re: Change (99,163) (99,169) by RJJ12 from USA
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 02:57)
@Bill. To me, her Daydream voice was the best one. She was even better than all the albums before it. Her high belts because lighter and more metallic and she started to whisper a bit more but not as much as the Butterfly album where it became the main vocal technique she used. The type of music she was singing on the Daydream album was different as well so her vocal approach was different. Her early work had a lot of soul infused so her voice sounded heavier, darker. By Daydream she infused more pop and r&b. So her approach was lighter, airier. I disagree she lost power and got nasally after her surgeries. She had some good vocal moments that rivaled her early work, the consistency and comfort ability in her upper range just diminished because of vice abuse and lack of rest and tons of stress. This VOL performance from the Charmy tour is better than any non dubbed VOL performance from the 90s. There is power, agility range, high belts, sustained belts, low notes, whistle. The only thing I didn't hear is a falsetto note - lol. Her voice sounded full and buttery. Even on this [Jimmy Fallon] clip from 8 years ago, she showed more agility here than in any of her recordings and she didn't sound nasally. Notice though that when she goes to belt on TAOLG, there was a rasp and she quickly switched to a whistle. The rasp has been in the upper register for years but it's more apparent when she doesn't rest and uses vices. Her voice only recently got nasally but I think that's studio trickery masking a bad vocal take.
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Re: Change (99,160) (99,168) by RJJ12 from USA
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 02:28)
@Robert Anthony. Gladys is correct. Mariah has admitted that she is more of an alto and not a soprano and in the vocal analysis I watched they and Mariah herself have confirmed this. She has a natural low speaking voice and she taught herself how to sing high. That's why she has so much control on the bottom end of her voice because it's where her voice natural sits.
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Re: Change (99,159) (99,167) by RJJ12 from USA
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 02:21)
@Ribbon, he may be all those things but he was still around after the Tommy divorce. Maybe you meant the divorce with Nick.
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Re: Change (99,165) (99,166) by Robert-Anthony from United States
(Wednesday 15 December 2021; 01:09)
You are an excellent writer, Randy.
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