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Clueeey and Giovanni (54,662) by Randy from USA You need proof of vocal deterioration? Watch Mariah sing Vision Of Love after "the answer that heaven has sent down to me" until the end in 1995 at Madison Square Garden then go three short years and watch it become an epic fail at The View in 1998. Then watch it become an embarrassment at 2003 Shining Through The Rain and then watch it become a laborous strain to prove the point she still has a voice in 2005 at BET's Blueprint. All of these are on YouTube. Need proof of lip syncing? I have plenty of those. No one thinks it's odd she refuses to have anyone but the engineer in the room when she records her vocals? Delusion is very real on this board and it's getting old. By the way, before the nasty messages start, I'm not calling you two delusional. I don't know you as people to make that judgment. (Tuesday 16 June 2015; 5:43)

Alexis shut up (54,661) by Ty from USA You are not a lamb or fan. Mariah is a singer and songwriter. Janet and Madonna are incredible entertainers, but have a limited vocal range, so they hide behind glossy productions or dancing or stripping. You sound completely [...]. (Tuesday 16 June 2015; 3:26)

Re: Shade (Leona Lewis and interviewer) my response (54,649) by Amber C my response a response to me. (54,660) by Amber C from USA I am not shading Whitney, I'm stating the facts. I would only be shading Whitney if Mariah was an Ariana in Whitney world, and I failed to realize. But no. Mariah was freaking Mariah Carey in a Whitney World. This is not shade honey. This is a fact. People disliked Mariah way more than they did Whitney. And to this day it has not changed. Whitney and Mariah stans can disagree all they want. The truth is the truth. Who made girls think they can sing, who inspired two whole generation? Who still has females hating? Btw I love Whitney. I just stand by our girl. There's something about Mariah. (Tuesday 16 June 2015; 2:11)

clueey23 / really? (54,659) by Marcus from Brazil clueey23, people don't really need to learn the difference, you only need to have a good set of ears and unbiased judgment. Celine's voice is aging, she doesn't sing like she used to after 35 years in the music business, you can clearly hear the difference in her last album, but she's consistent when she's on the microphone. 20 years from now, she will have lost some more of her range, but she'll still be able to perform just like Patti or Barbra. Mariah's voice different from Celine's, has deteriorated. It is not as shot as Whitney's was, because Mariah can still pull decent performances here and there. Mariah lost her fluidity, and some of the nuances that made her voice an incomparable instrument. It is what it is. I know 90's Mariah isn't coming back, and it would be ridiculous to think her voice would recover to that extent, but based on your statement, you must've become a fan in the '00s because Mariah's voice and delivery was impeccable in the '90s. (Tuesday 16 June 2015; 1:48)

Billy (54,658) by Luke from United Kingdom I think that is true in some ways. I lived in America for 3 years and our humour is both different. Not massively but I often had friends over there not understand my humour that I always used with people in the UK and vice versa. On the subject of her not being very popular over here, I think could be because the British tend to like and nurture homegrown talents lol. I know that sounds snobbish but it goes with the whole going to pubs/gigs vibe and supporting people like Adele, Sam Smith, Amy Winehouse, Duffy etc. When I speak about Mariah to my friends they usually just end up saying how they only hear her on throwback stations, which is sad. I live for the day when Mariah is all over the radio and TV with amazing new music haha (Tuesday 16 June 2015; 1:47)

Alexis (54,657) by Bill from the UK Wow, you've excelled yourself. Three slams in a row, well done. Cheers, toast, bravo, to you. You're the over-named person of the hour. I'mma have to send you some flowers. But Freddy Krueger? Seriously? Grow up. (Tuesday 16 June 2015; 1:41)

Vibrato (54,656) by Alexis Morell Carrington Colby Dexter Rowan from USA Has anyone else noticed a lack of vibrato in the Vegas shows? I'm not starting a voice debate, it's just to noticeable especially since she has been throwing all these "long notes" into songs like VOL, IDWC. (Tuesday 16 June 2015; 0:49)

Dead on her feet (54,655) by Alexis Morell Carrington Colby Dexter Rowan from USA With Miss Janet returning to snatch, I would suggest Mariah go and sit down after the July shows. With Madonna going on what will surely be another successful world tour soon, I would suggest Mariah go and sit down after the July shows. I'm not shading Mariah, but acknowledging that when the press starts comparing these 3 divas "of a certain age" Mariah will always be painted as the flop as compared to the other 2. I really hope Mariah can watch the other two and take some notes from her peers (actually from those that came before her) about stage presence. Someone asked why Mariah shows don't sell out fast. I swear this line from Freddy Krueger sums it up. Tthe Counselor turns into Freddy Krueger and it is revealed that he is having sex with a dead girl's body. "It's not my fault this bitch is dead on her feet." He laughs, and waves the dead girl's hand at Lori. (Tuesday 16 June 2015; 0:48)

The voice / next album (54,654) by Giovanni from USA I like Mariah's current voice as well. I was amazed when I heard 1990 Mariah in Vegas with "I don't want to cry". She did great considering she hasn't sang that song in such a long time. It was all live with no struggling. And as much as I dislike "Infinity", she's nailed the high note in all her live performances. (They sound hella strong.) Her voice has definitely improved. All Mariah needs is a good image, good music and videos for her next album. I'd like her to surprise me with a new sound and killer songs. "Beautiful" was so good and fresh. (Tuesday 16 June 2015; 0:45)

Re: Shade (Leona Lewis and interviewer) my response (54,649) by Amber C from USA (54,653) by Alexis Morell Carrington Colby Dexter Rowan from USA Amber, you surely tried it with that Whitney shade. I agree that after a certain point Whitney wasn't in anyone's way: that's because Whitney had literally become peerless. The new girls knew they couldn't touch her so they simply avoided driving too long in her lane. Mariah hasn't been in anyone's "way" for years. (Tuesday 16 June 2015; 0:37)

Re: Luke (54,652) by Billy from Greece Thanks for the clarifications Luke. I missed out the information because of the British accent. I also agree with what you said. Very understandable for Mariah to "sigh" when she gets the "new you" comment every now and then. Interviewer is clearly not a fan. No offense (since you're from the UK) but I always had the impression that the British are not fond of Mariah or that they don't get her sense of humor or her cultural references, or they just plain don't get "her". As if there's some cultural gap or something. I don't want to generalize but judging upon interviews I've seen of Mariah in the UK, that's what I perceive. (Tuesday 16 June 2015; 0:17)

Clueey (54,651) by B from USA I agree that Mariah's voice hasn't deteriorated like many seem to think. Her voice has matured and is still impressive. Yes, she fails to hit notes and sounds winded when she doesn't rehearse or hasn't rested properly before a performance but those things can easily be explained. Can they support their claims about her supposed vocal deterioration without making accusations that can't be proved? No. Most articles and YouTube videos either claim Mariah is an alcoholic or drug user. Those who want to claim Mariah doesn't take her care of her voice, wasn't properly trained, and used (uses) a poor technique are clearly ignorant. (Monday 15 June 2015; 23:10)

clueey23 (54,650) by Xavier Peoples from United States I totally agree with you. I actually like Mariah's voice better now compared to when she was younger. I know a lot of people will say that her live vocals are less consistent than before, but I actually think she sounds better in the studio than in the past. (Monday 15 June 2015; 22:34)

Shade (Leona Lewis and interviewer) my response (54,649) by Amber C from USA The truth of the matter is no one was threatened by Whitney anymore after Mariah arrived. No one was scared of Whitney's stats or receipt. People just had respect for Whitney. People resepct whitney more than they do Mariah. Not because she's most successful or talented (even tho she was very talented). They respected her because she wasn't in anybody's way. Mariah on the other hand was always in everyone's way lol. To this day you would think the people will start showing her love and what not but they won't. They cant show her love because they are not relieved yet. Mariah is still in the way, her stats are In the way and her destiny isn't yet fulfilled. No one has time to hate [...], [..], [..], [..] because they aren't a threat. Their music and success and talent package dint cause animosity or jelousy. Where as Mariah the woman and the package does, even to this day they hate to see or hear about her. I'm not trying to exaggerate it's the truth. [Webmaster: Please, next time use capitals when you start a sentence or write names, or else your message won't get posted.] (Monday 15 June 2015; 22:30)

Billy (54,648) by Luke from United Kingdom I don't think he was saying that she cringed. I believe he said "I remeber interviewing Mariah just after you won the X Factor and I was like, so we've got a singer that's the new you." He then done a sigh expression saying that's what Mariah's done. As if she was saying in her head "What another one?" Which is pretty understandable. I might be the only one who thinks this but I find it a little offensive for someone to say that, like you're old goods and need replacing. The funny thing is, Leona has probably immitated Mariah just like Ariana (If not more). You will find more images of her and Mariah looking alike than her and Whitney. But why would she admit that? She's so original. I don't know if they used to say there is a "new Whitney" when she was alive, but why do they do it with Mariah when she's still here and making music? It isn't like the music from Ariana or Leona is any better. It baffles me. (Monday 15 June 2015; 22:10)

Mariah is an entertainer (54,647) by Bino from Mariah is not a dancer, true. She normally doesn't have shows à la Broadway, yes. No spectacles. But she is an entertainer; she entertains people through her music, her voice. Speaking of which, I wouldn't describe it as deteriorating, i.e., becoming worse as time passes. That is only true from 1996 to 1997. But it simply isn't the case now. The problem with her voice is inconsistency. She can still sing well obviously, as shown in her last shows. About Mariah not selling out arenas instantly, that may be true. But then again she was the highest grossing female solo live act recently, and she have plenty of gigs coming up, which means there's a demand to see her, to be entertained by her. I suppose she's not doing bad. (Monday 15 June 2015; 21:54)

Thoughts (54,646) by clueey23 from USA People need to learn the difference between a voice maturing over 25 years and deterioration. MC's vocals have simply matured and I like the way she sounds. Whitney Houston, rest her soul, her voice was deteriorated. She couldn't hold note a single note, the voice was clearly gone. MC doesn't sound bad and I hate that her fans seem to have nothing but bad things to say about her and her current vocals. (Monday 15 June 2015; 21:18)

Shade (Leona Lewis and interviewer) (54,645) by Billy from Greece I think Mariah is becoming the new Diana Ross of the 1980s for this generation. During the 1980s, a huge backlash started against Diana (in the US) which pretty much ended her career domestically. Stories about her portrayed her in the worst kind of light, as the ultimate ruthless queen bitch who stepped over everyone and every kind of value to achieve what she achieved. I think Mariah has received the same kind of treatment the past 5 years. Here's the latest attack, though I'm not totally sure what the dude is saying because he talks very fast. Is he saying that Mariah cringed when he mentioned Leona winning the X-Factor back in the day or something along the same lines? (Monday 15 June 2015; 20:47)

Kyle / entertainers (54,644) by Marcus from Brazil Janet, Cher, Diana Ross, Madonna, Beyonce are entertainers more than anything. Their shows are spectacles of lights, dance routines, costume changes, stages that morph as if they were in a Broadway show. Mariah is not an entertainer, and with the reputation that she has lost her voice, which would be the only thing people go to her concerts for, then it wouldn't be hard to figure out why she doesn't fill arenas. When Mariah's voice started deteriorating, the focus was switched to her appearance (boobs, weaves, etc), and her diva persona. Somewhere along the way Mariah alienated the fans that were also growing up with her, and she lost most of them. I hope they keep working on getting her into a more positive light, and that she keeps practicing to be consistent, because when Mariah delivers, people pay attention. I would love for her to drop the diva act and the 18 #1's motto because I think those two things are working against her. Mariah's music, when well-cooked and with a twist, speaks for itself. (Monday 15 June 2015; 19:09)

Disconnect (54,643) by Kyle from USA I live in Orlando, FL. It was announced this morning that Janet Jackson is bringing her "Unbreakable" tour here in September to the Orlando Magic arena. It go me thinking: Cher was here earlier in the year and Janet is coming. Both of these artists announce a tour and they seel out arenas instantly. Mariah announces an arena tour, and it's slow ticket sales. Is it because Mariah has remained relevant and in the spot light always releasing material or is there a disconnect somewhere? Cher and Janet have even "older" fans since they have been around a lot longer than MC. Why are "older" fans more supportive than younger fans? (Monday 15 June 2015; 16:46)

Oh (54,642) by darrian liu from taiwan Thanks Bill. I think MC would do a brilliant job at it. But I don't think it's time for her to do a standards album because she's still relevant. Doing standards will do her commercial performance no good. Still waiting for that blockbuster album. *crosses fingers* (Monday 15 June 2015; 6:30)

The creativity of the lambs are (54,641) by Lee TS from USA You know how it goes. This is a cute cartoon version of Infinity. (Monday 15 June 2015; 3:23)

Marissa (54,640) by Special K from USA Hi Marissa. I agree with you to a certain degree but my intent was not to compare Mariah to younger artists. I just feel that none of these younger artists, and mean none can even [...] with Mariah vocally when she is being the best that she can be. Straight up, here in the 2015 when Mariah is having a great vocal performance she can still blow the majority of these younger artists out of the water. They could not hang. I saw Mariah in Vegas and she killed it. I saw her in New York for the Christmas concert and she slayed it vocally. I get she had bronchitis recently but overall basically since TEOM Mariah's live performances have been too inconsistent and forgettable. She need to step up her game. I believe Adele, Beyonce, and Kelly Clarkson will still sound great in their 40's as long as they continue to take care of their voices. Bottom line, despite her age, when Mariah is on point, there is no comparison. That's how much I believe in her talent. (Monday 15 June 2015; 2:33)

Bill (54,639) by Licia from USA Thanks for explaining what a standards album is. I was lost. Lol. Whatever her next move is as far as music, I just want it to be good. (Monday 15 June 2015; 2:05)

Standards (54,638) by Bill from the UK Standards are old timeless songs which countless artists have covered over the years. They were usually written in the 1920s or 30s, but some newer songs have fallen into the category due to their popularity. Songs like Stormy Weather, Star Dust, Moonlight Serenade, Embraceable You etc. are considered standards. I think MC would do a good job because I love the track The Wind from the Emotions album, and that has a similar mellow, low key, jazzy vibe which most standards have. (Monday 15 June 2015; 0:42)

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