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Identification (52,087) by Warrior Butterfly from USA When I first became a fan it was the whistle register, my favorite version was the VMA in 1992. "Emotions" best rendition, better the track IMO. Anyway identification when I became a fan and started reading about her she came from hard knocks and raised above it, being the caretaker or adult of the family in her childhood and early years. She and I share a lot of common ground with that with exception of Mariah being extremely close to her mother, while I'm not. We are both "that woman-child". These lyrics particular always got me. "Funny how one can learn To grow numb to the madness And block it away I left the worst unsaid Let it all dissipate And I try to forget As I close my eyes Steadied my feet on the ground Raised my head to the sky And though time rolled by Still I feel like a child As I look at the moon Maybe I grew up, a little too soon" Butterfly 1997 - Close My Eyes and the entire track off Rainbow 1999 - Petals. I didn't know that that kind of life could be articulated in this way. An when I found out she began writing "Close My Eyes" in 1993 I loved it more as a song because she really though about it and reflecting. Makes me wounder what else she's been crafting over time. (Tuesday 21 April 2015; 6:25)

Shelly love, turtle dove? (52,086) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End In Swedish there is an expression: "Kärt barn har många namn", which directly translates to: "Beloved child has many names" in English. That's my way of saying, I can't remember you ever being truly unfair to me or Mariah or anyone else for that matter. You are such a congenial person and yet I always see you apologising for the smallest of imagined hurts you believe you may have inflicted on one of us more abrasive posters. I'm not sure if that's a flaw or just humility in its purest form? Well, actually I know it's humility and for that you get a gold star. But none the less stop apologising, at least to me. You have only ever amassed good will with me. We don't have to agree on every single thing for there to be a sense of harmony between us. Anyway, you get my drift. BTW, what is this business of Shelly vs Dove? Can one call you by both names or what? (Tuesday 21 April 2015; 0:35)

Billy (52,085) by Jon from Netherlands I liked your post and would love to read the articles you wrote. My facebook is on my profile if you care to send them my way. (Monday 20 April 2015; 22:45)

Re: Jon / identification (52,083) by Billy from Greece Great post Jon. I have wondered about the same thing just like you when it comes to identification between myself and Mariah. One of the first instances for me to notice a similarity between my person and Mariah was in terms of her preferences when it came to her own music, but also music in general. Whenever I would read or listen to an interview, it was like she spoke out my thoughts, mostly regarding issues on music. There is definitely the feeling of "ambiguity" and "outsiderness" that provoked an identification early on. I just love how she can be composed yet sassy at the same time, seemingly conforming to conventions yet inserting a sardonic touch on things. Basically, I like how she subverts ideas of seriousness and convention, which I tend to do also, more often than I should probably, "just for laughs". I could go on and on. Without assuming anything about anybody, there is a hugely interesting area of research on identification between gay men and their divas, often called "gay diva worship". I have also written a few stuff about it. Finally, though not a fervent believer of astrology, it's funny how not only Mariah, but almost all of my favorite divas are aries, just like me (Diana Ross, Sarah Vaughan, Chaka Khan, Aretha, Marvin Gaye, Luther, Elton John, Billy Mackenzie). I don't know if that enhances the identification saga. (Monday 20 April 2015; 22:24)

Lipsynching comment in my last post (52,082) by Dove from USA I tried to make it better but I think I made it worse. I just cringed when I read it. It's not terrible, I don't know why I said that. The slow motion is just not my favorite. (Monday 20 April 2015; 22:10)

Holding back (52,081) by Tevin from USA So I was thinking about the interview someone posted a month ago of Mariah during the Rainbow era, and I thought about what she said about being told to hold back when singing and not going full throttle with her vocals. So it just made me wonder if her vocals sounds so supreme and unmatched while holding back on her records what should it have sounded like had she been allowed to fully let lose?? Could the world even handel it lol. (Monday 20 April 2015; 22:08)

MC on shows (52,080) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter So MC is definitely appearing on Kimmel and Kelly & Michael in May. We are slowly getting details of their promotion plans. With it starting from the major event planned for the release date of Infinity. I wonder what the event will be like. A meet and greet? First performance of Infinity? MC making a grand entrance (which she will make eitherways haha, I won't accept or expect anything less). (Monday 20 April 2015; 21:24)

MC Bahamas (52,079) by May from Denmark Considering the wrap of the upcoming single and the fact that she was working for quite some time in the studio few months ago perhaps she vocalized enough before the Roc n Roe/mommy time. She will be presenting herself the 27th, that gives about a week and days for an extra rehearsel. Just guessing haha. It does seem she is confident though, not needing more time than that. (Monday 20 April 2015; 21:20)

Identification (52,078) by Jon from Netherlands I was wondering if anyone wanted to discuss the way they identify with Mariah. There are so many similarities between mine and her personality and at this point I don't know if she has influenced me or if I identify with her because I have some of the same traits. I'll start by saying that I identify with the way she presents herself. She doesn't come off high and mighty. She doesn't care to portray herself as the smart, driven and talented person she is. Most of the time she is joking around, even using private jokes and it seems she doesn't care if people see her as a bimbo. She knows her value and doesn't care to be judged on the first impression. I do the same. I'll throw in a few jokes, be nonchalant about a few things and overall misrepresent myself and surprise people when they get a chance to see that I'm actually a decently intelligent person. I find that people actually take these things seriously, have little sense of humor and do judge others based on a few impressions. That's why I love Mariah. She gets that life is not supposed to be all serious and judging others on the surface (maybe because she's biracial) is absurd. (Monday 20 April 2015; 19:25)

MC aka Her Hotness (52,077) by Ardis Logic from Earth Wow. MC looks totally stunningly sexy as hell on the beach in this latest picture. I am loving this new era. It's like MC has moved on from the past and is moving forward with this whole new empowered strong vibe. I love this. "Never underestimate the heart of a champion." (Monday 20 April 2015; 18:17)

My guess for the theme of Infinity (52,075) by Dove from USA What came to my mind was The Fault In Our Stars. The part where she's talking at his practice funeral. The gist was that even though their love story wasn't as long as other people's, it was still worth it. Something about how some infinities are bigger than other infinities but they're still infinities. Even though the relationship is over, it happened and that moment will live forever. (Monday 20 April 2015; 17:34)

Bahamas (52,074) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter MC looks gorgeous and all in Bahamas. But why isn't she rehearsing at Vegas yet? (Monday 20 April 2015; 17:26)

Real Mariah / Baby (52,073) by Dove from USA That's funny, I was wondering the same thing a few days ago and the first people who came to mind who may be Mariah incognito were Baby and Nilah. But then I tried to put myself in the place of a celebrity and I think I would pretend to be a guy from Manila or something. Or not post at all and just lurk. Baby, yesterday or the day before I was thinking about you and I felt badly about the time you were defending MC's lipsynching and I snapped at you that her lipsynching in videos sucked. It's actually not that bad, I think I was just in a negative mood that day. It's only truly terrible in the videos where they slow the footage way down. So, I'm sorry for being rude. (Monday 20 April 2015; 17:00)

Emotions live (52,072) by MC1989 from Spain To me the MTV Video Music Awards from 1991 is clearly the best rendition of Emotions (along with the MTV Unplugged one) and one of her best performances ever. She hits the highest notes in her entire carreer (even higher than the ones she recorded in the studio version) and her growls are so strong that they reminded me Aretha's ones. But a few days ago I discovered on YouTube the Wogan performance in HD and it's simply delicious. She looks like she can't hit propperly the whistle notes so she avoides them, but her chest voice and the rest of her range sounds so incredibly soulful and powerful that it makes you wanna go crazy and just sing along. It's great to see that they are uploading many of those performances in HD and some that were very hard to find a few years ago like Vision Of Love at the NARM Convention from 1991 (by the way Jon, I forgot to mention this one before , one of my favourites, she looks awesome). (Monday 20 April 2015; 16:45)

Mariah's voice (52,071) by Warren from Trinidad & Tobago Someone mentioned the Beacon shows and I was looking back and saw this clip. Apart from it being completely live (in my opinion) I was really struck by the 5.05 mark. Do you see what MC does? What is that? Who says she doesn't take care of her voice. I mean I don't know what happened in Jamaica (it wasn't that bad, but it was no Beacon Theatre for sure). I love too the fact that she's sweating visibily, means there is effort and no fans etc to dry her voice. I know it was winter, but did anyone who go her show say if the auditorium was cool? I remember for Divas Live Aretha insisted the airconditioning remain off so her voice remained on point. (Monday 20 April 2015; 16:44)

The One (52,068) by Dove from USA I'm here. Just having a Snoop Doggy Dogg to Snoop Lion moment. I haven't had anything to contribute to the discussion but have enjoyed reading all your posts. (Monday 20 April 2015; 16:43)

Shelly (52,067) by TheOne from Philippines Did Shelly changed her name to Dove? I just noticed it. I'm missing her posts lately. Where are you Shelly? (Monday 20 April 2015; 15:55)

Infinity: Did I Do That? part 2 (52,066) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End And the video would have the guy that played Steve Urkel/Stephan Urquelle be Mariah's ex-douchebag while Wentworth Miller reprises his role as the "DJ" that saves Mariah from a broken heart. Location: the Dominican Republic and concluding on Mariah's private Island. Naturally, Brat is in the studio with JD working on the remix as we type. The remix shooting location: "the rooftop" and The Hamptons/Long Island. All jokes aside, Mariah really has an uncanny knack for predicting her own life through her lyrics. DIDT sounds like Thirsty in a bottle vintage 1999. It was before it's time really. Quite literally too. Just like Prisoner, ode to Sing Sing, where she ironically rapped for half the song, only for the inane media to subscribe her to "bandwagon jumping" Hip-Hop not five years later? Yeah, that's my wild prediction, Infinity is DIDT2. I guess we'll all know soon enough. #19 (Monday 20 April 2015; 14:28)

Will the real MC please stand up? (52,065) by Baby from Dreamville...Where There's No Beginning & There is No End Dennis, that's the funniest thing I've heard in a while. Sorry to dissapoint but unfortunately I am not The Elusive One. But yeah, Mariah visits this board. She'd be foolish not to because even with the discord and dissonance that is sometimes rife here, MCA is the premiere hotspot for the Lambily. Mainly it's because Eric moderates every post which makes it move at a good peace and one can follow the discussions without having to try very hard or spend too much time catching up. I'm sure Mariah stops by and reads our messages. I bet she even posts once in a blue moon. It is known from court documents that even MJ, a.k.a. "KingTut777", was on several different fan forums back in the day. So I'm not surprised Janet's dabbled in a bit of incognito message boarding. How else are these mega stars gonna keep their fingers on the pulse, in today's InstaWorld where the Zeitgeist's so quick, fickle and ultra sensitive to trends? That's the reason I make it a point to write as if she might possibly see one of my posts. Not for approval but to reflect back some of the light and love she's given me through her music since I was a little girl in some small way. 1. Agent M 2. Code name: Honey 3. Mirage 4. Echo 5. The Elusive One 6. Bianca Nunez 7. Mary P. 8. Mrs Claws 9. Automatic Princess 10. Honey B. Fly... I think we can all agree that Mariah has quite a few "aliases" that could go completely unnoticed in the Lambily. That's the beauty of the internet. We are all truly equal here. (Monday 20 April 2015; 13:10)

MC1989 (52,064) by Jon from Netherlands Thanks for the love. Sending it right back. I just watched the Manilla performance. Such a pity for the bad quality because it's definetly some of her best (the final part might be the best) renditions of VOL. She doesn't shy away from any of the difficult parts. So many performances, so difficult to keep up with all of them. I watched yesterday a compilation of E=MC2 era and there were a bunch of performances I've never seen. I'm gonna need an assistant. (Monday 20 April 2015; 12:14)

Jon (52,063) by MC1989 from Spain I always enjoy reading you. You're lovely, and I totally agree with your last post and the guitar comparison ha ha. That VOL performance is really good. This is a similar powerful VOL, from the CB Tour in Manila, I think it's even better. For those of you who enjoy Mariah's powerful and raspy voice, here she is giving her all with that gospel choir, AYNAF on the Letterman show. (Monday 20 April 2015; 11:19)

About Migrate (52,062) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter I always thought that MC wanted Migrate to be released but the label made the wrong call, but a while back I was going through the archives on MCA (duh) and I found an article which kind of shows maybe MC never planned to release Migrate. I don't remember the exact details, but the interviewer was like "Migrate is not that unique or great or whatever" and Mariah went something like "ofcourse Migrate won't be released as a single". So that kind of made me like What? Mariah are you for real? Lol Migrate would have eaten the charts up. (Monday 20 April 2015; 11:14)

TheOne (52,061) by Mimi L. from Empower Your Highlighter Unfortunately, I will not be able to make it to Vegas. I too am from Asia and as much as I want to go, I can't make it this time. You are right about the songs you mentioned and yes Migrate managed to chart on Billboard even without getting the single treatment and the same happened with Mine Again (in the R&B category). Mariah can come up with club bangers so effortlessly, without looking like she is trying hard and it just never fails to amaze me. There are many missed opportunities in her career and it will always bother me. I'm selfish when it comes to Mariah. I always want her to be on top and respected as the musical genius she is. I know she won't always be at the top, but hey a girl can dream. (Monday 20 April 2015; 10:33)

Mariah's best performance / Randy (52,060) by Jon from Netherlands I know people prefer the crystal clear voice of, for example, Tokyo 96 and don't get me wrong I love it too but the performance I posted, to me, is more overwhelming. It's like a guitar: you can play every note perfectly and clean or you can add a bit of distortion and creat greater impact on the audience. The performance showcases different sides of her voice and it's very strong here. The final run (on the "all") has multiple times more stamina than the run on the MTV Unplugged for the same song. I also like the powerful "treated me kind" ending in a growl and being followed immediatly by one of her best whistling. Through it all it seems she's having a blast and that's also fun to watch. Not to mention the production around her: flawless (great drumming btw). (Monday 20 April 2015; 9:15)

Re: Randy - Fantasy remix (52,059) by NYHotShotta from USA I'm one of the lambs who's never heard that remix before lol. I actually prefer this one over both original and remix versions because I like how it combines both choruses. I always like in the remix how at 3:36 of that video where she sings the words "Heaven" and "Fantasy" simultaneously and she ends up harmonizing. I always wonder if that was intentional or not. It would be dope if she got Diddy, Missy and Timbaland, or the Trackmasters to do a 90's style remix to Infinity. (Monday 20 April 2015; 7:36)

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